Prospect Info: Bedard Topic 2

[Giovi]

Messier is a bitter old man who is just jealous he has no relevancy anymore. He’s a terrible commentator.

Messier is a disgrace as a TV sports personality.

 

[BobbyJet]

Are you idiots done with dissing one of the best players in the history of the NHL because he told it like it was about our darling? You're embarrassing yourselves. Maybe just stick to listening to Hawks commentators who pass over the bad and adore his every good play.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Are you idiots done with dissing one of the best players in the history of the NHL because he told it like it was about our darling? You're embarrassing yourselves. Maybe just stick to listening to Hawks commentators who pass over the bad and adore his every good play.

No issue with messier talking about bedard’s defense there, but it’s funny listening to a guy like messier talk about deserved ice time and what he did to the locker room morale in Vancouver as a supposed leader of men.

 

[Hawkaholic]

For how many games? 3?

8 brings grit and board play. 95 brings speed, opens up ice and is good defensively. 59 brings .... hmmm... let me see. Oh yeah, when he manages to get there, he is good at standing at the side of the crease waiting for 98 to shoot it off his skate.

It's hilarious that you think Mik is a better option than Bertuzzi, for Bedard, still. He's a black hole offensively, there is nothing about his game that would fit well with Bedard.

Everyone sees it, but you.

 

[BobbyJet]

It's hilarious that you think Mik is a better option than Bertuzzi, for Bedard, still. He's a black hole offensively, there is nothing about his game that would fit well with Bedard.

Everyone sees it, but you.

Did you watch last night's game? It was a perfect example. The line was chasing all night long. Bedard's precious few opportunities came mainly from himself or Nazar or during changes when Donato was out there. Bert was nowhere in sight on either side of the puck. You make it sound like Bertuzzi has offense in his game. Put him in Mik's spot, or Donatos, or anywhere in the bottom 6 and see how much offense he generates.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

Did you watch last night's game? It was a perfect example. The line was chasing all night long. Bedard's precious few opportunities came mainly from himself or Nazar or during changes when Donato was out there. Bert was nowhere in sight on either side of the puck. You make it sound like Bertuzzi has offense in his game. Put him in Mik's spot, or Donatos, or anywhere in the bottom 6 and see how much offense he generates.

Bedard's line is going to struggle with possession until HE improves in that aspect. This team doesn't have the wingers that are going to get him the puck very often. Putting bottom 6 players on his line isn't going to lead to more offense.

 

[GIADF]

I don’t like Bertuzzi or 95 as Bedard’s linemate, but between the two I’d rather see him with Bertuzzi. At least he can provide something completely different skill set wise, agitate, and get in front of the goalie.

95 just brings speed and basically nothing else. Not really needed when Nazar is also on this line with his speed.

 

[BobbyJet]

Bedard's line is going to struggle with possession until HE improves in that aspect. This team doesn't have the wingers that are going to get him the puck very often. Putting bottom 6 players on his line isn't going to lead to more offense.

I hear ya but the 98/91 combo is weak defensively and (if the coach insists on playing them together) badly needs a gritty guy to be responsible defensively, can keep up to the play and who can win board battles. The 1st line is going to often go against the ops best line. I don't think the 98/91/59 is sustainable at the moment.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Are you idiots done with dissing one of the best players in the history of the NHL because he told it like it was about our darling? You're embarrassing yourselves. Maybe just stick to listening to Hawks commentators who pass over the bad and adore his every good play.

Who gives a shit what Messier thinks? Having natural athletic gifts doesn't mean every opinion you have is correct. If he's such a brilliant hockey mind, why isn't he coaching? Why was Gretzky such a mediocre coach, despite being the best player in league history? It's because being a legendary hockey player doesn't necessarily translate to being a coach.

Messier isn't in that locker room. He doesn't see Bedard in practice. Hell, I'm pretty certain every poster here has watched more of Bedard than he has; I don't imagine Mark Messier is going out of his way to watch every single Hawks game.

He's allowed to offer his opinion. That's why he's being paid to be a talking head for ESPN. But let's not pretend he has all the answers on how to handle Bedard.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Did you watch last night's game? It was a perfect example. The line was chasing all night long. Bedard's precious few opportunities came mainly from himself or Nazar or during changes when Donato was out there. Bert was nowhere in sight on either side of the puck. You make it sound like Bertuzzi has offense in his game. Put him in Mik's spot, or Donatos, or anywhere in the bottom 6 and see how much offense he generates.

Bedards line, regardless of who has been on it the entire season, has been mostly chasing. lol

He does have offense, compared to Mik. Bertuzzi has the most goals on the team, WTF are you talking about? Of course he isn't going to generate with other players, the other players are f***ing awful. You know who he does generate with? and who Bedard mostly generates with? Each other.

I hear ya but the 98/91 combo is weak defensively and (if the coach insists on playing them together) badly needs a gritty guy to be responsible defensively, can keep up to the play and who can win board battles. The 1st line is going to often go against the ops best line. I don't think the 98/91/59 is sustainable at the moment.

The entire team isn't sustainable, its the best we got, like it or not.

 

[BobbyJet]

He does have offense, compared to Mik. Bertuzzi has the most goals on the team, WTF are you talking about? Of course he isn't going to generate with other players, the other players are f***ing awful. You know who he does generate with? and who Bedard mostly generates with? Each other.

LOL ... so you admit that Bert cannot create offense but Bert and 98 on the PP can. Agreed.

 

[statswatcher]

LOL ... so you admit that Bert cannot create offense but Bert and 98 on the PP can. Agreed.

there's only two forwards that see more on ice scoring per 60 minutes with bedard at 5v5 than bertuzzi, those being nazar and dickinson. mikheyev is seventh.

 

[Hawkaholic]

LOL ... so you admit that Bert cannot create offense but Bert and 98 on the PP can. Agreed.

lol, what? Bedard has created his most @ ES, with Bertuzzi, Bertuzzi has been most productive with Bedard @ ES. Are you blind?

there's only two forwards that see more on ice scoring per 60 minutes with bedard at 5v5 than bertuzzi, those being nazar and dickinson. mikheyev is seventh.

lol, like it's not even close. I'm not sure what Bobby sees that everyone else supposedly can't.

 

[CanadianHawks]

Messier has always been a terrible analyst. He should stick to lays chips commercials

Yes Bedard sucks defensively. It’s pretty obvious. Messier can also be an idiot. Man might have CTE. Everytime I watch those prime Monday night games and he shows his mug my remote hits mute.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Messier has always been a terrible analyst. He should stick to lays chips commercials

Yes Bedard sucks defensively. It’s pretty obvious. Messier can also be an idiot. Man might have CTE. Everytime I watch those prime Monday night games and he shows his mug my remote hits mute.

But I mean he wouldn’t be the first elite forward to suck defensively. You know what kills players like him? His wings not being able to chip the puck out. Or Brodie throwing muffins up the middle to opposing players.

Bedard is chasing in the defensive zone because his teammates can’t execute a f***ing breakout pass. Of course Bedard gets blamed.

 

[CanadianHawks]

But I mean he wouldn’t be the first elite forward to suck defensively. You know what kills players like him? His wings not being able to chip the puck out. Or Brodie throwing muffins up the middle to opposing players.

Bedard is chasing in the defensive zone because his teammates can’t execute a f***ing breakout pass. Of course Bedard gets blamed.

Man even if he ends up like Kane did as a defensive liability if he puts up 100 points it is what it is

That entire line to your point is bad defensively but with two kids and a slower Bert what would one expect

 

[ello]

Man even if he ends up like Kane did as a defensive liability if he puts up 100 points it is what it is

That entire line to your point is bad defensively but with two kids and a slower Bert what would one expect

If youre a winger sure, absolutely not if youre a centreman

 

[CallMeShaft]

If youre a winger sure, absolutely not if youre a centreman

Why not? Give a reason.

If he generates more offense down the middle than he would at wing, and that offense more than counteracts his lack of defense, what is the problem?

 

[pvr]

Why not? Give a reason.

If he generates more offense down the middle than he would at wing, and that offense more than counteracts his lack of defense, what is the problem?

Right now he’s playing a hybrid center/wing role. He obviously shouldn’t be a center right now…only reasons are *because* and there’s nobody else.

 

[Chuck Testa]

Right now he’s playing a hybrid center/wing role. He obviously shouldn’t be a center right now…only reasons are *because* and there’s nobody else.

I think that once the Hawks find a center that compliments Bedard's game, then they might be best served to put Bedard on one of the wings. While playing as a wing, they could always work on his faceoff game during practice and once the kid fills out his frame and gets some of that man-strength.

IIRC he was playing wing when he dominated the WJHC. Yeah yeah yeah playing against U20 players is nowhere near playing at the NHL level but still. I'm just saying.

Maybe he'll become a good to great centerman at the NHL level, then again maybe he won't.

Either way, the Hawks once again find themselves in a scenario where the more they lose, the better in the long run. It's a terrible situation to be in as a fan but it is what it is at the moment. Give me all the hard-faught 5-4, 4-3, 3-2 regulation losses you can get. The Sharks absolutely blow chunks so I can't see any realistic possibility of any team outsucking them but regardless the Hawks NEED a top 3 pick in this draft.

 

[GIADF]

I think that once the Hawks find a center that compliments Bedard's game, then they might be best served to put Bedard on one of the wings. While playing as a wing, they could always work on his faceoff game during practice and once the kid fills out his frame and gets some of that man-strength.

Agreed, which is all the more reason why I secretly hope they come away with a do-it-all centerman in Misa who also brings size who couldn't be more of a perfect center for Bedard to play with. Then imagine Nazar's game breaking speed on the other wing. Sign me up.

 

[BLKHKhockey]

I don’t want a defensively weak 1C once we are in the playoffs.

He is bad defensively right now and should share some blame for his line’s possession struggles. Bedard gets a pass for now because of how young he is. He has a lot of work ahead of him.