2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[deadhead]

HOW?!

JVR is gone, next summer Hayes is 3x7 with the cap rising by 2024, so if he has a good year he's moveable if Gauthier is ready, Atkinson 2 years left, if he has another good year he's moveable.

Even Risto, if Torts gets him to play a more disciplined game, wouldn't be hard to move with 4x5, maybe retain $1M or take a veteran D-man back.

Ellis is either healthy or LTIR, Couts should be 100% so why would you want to move him at $7.5M?
Sanheim will either be extended or traded by the TDL.
DeAngelo will only have one year left on his deal.

Coming off last season, the bigger contracts are hard to move, but last season was a shitshow, if Torts gets this team playing "normal" hockey a lot of players will look more attractive - but teams will wait and see.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

JVR is gone, next summer Hayes is 3x7 with the cap rising by 2024, so if he has a good year he's moveable if Gauthier is ready, Atkinson 2 years left, if he has another good year he's moveable.

Even Risto, if Torts gets him to play a more disciplined game, wouldn't be hard to move with 4x5, maybe retain $1M or take a veteran D-man back.

Ellis is either healthy or LTIR, Couts should be 100% so why would you want to move him at $7.5M?
Sanheim will either be extended or traded by the TDL.
DeAngelo will only have one year left on his deal.

Coming off last season, the bigger contracts are hard to move, but last season was a shitshow, if Torts gets this team playing "normal" hockey a lot of players will look more attractive - but teams will wait and see.

No, Hayes has four years left and is severely overpaid.
No, Atkinson has three years left and is overpaid.
Risto is dogsh!t and each sequential year he shows it more and more. He has five years left, he's going nowhere.
Ellis, you better pray he just simply retires.
Couts, you have to pray he's ok.

Lots of prayers here in your scenario, deadhead. Not looking good.

 

[freakydallas13]

Lmao at the notion of trading Risto one year into his new contract and retaining money to do so.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I have no idea why they won't just buy out JVR and Lindblom. At this point, they have cheaper replacements from the AHL that would do about as much and buying out both would save the Flyers 6M in cap. Want size in JVR's position? Play Ratcliffe or Allison.

While it is crazy watching the Hawks have almost no real players left (real, proven NHLers), they are doing what they can to shed bad to medicore players and overall bad contract scenarios.

In a way, I kind of wish the Flyers were this ballsy, but they are going to ride the cap ceiling into last place.

What cheaper replacements can score over 20 goals? Ride the JVR contract out unless a team takes him for nothing. Do not give up any picks.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What cheaper replacements can score over 20 goals? Ride the JVR contract out unless a team takes him for nothing. Do not give up any picks.

JVR is on the last year of his contract at a 7M cap hit. Buying him out will make him be 4,333,334 dead cap space this year and 1,333,334 next year. If we bought out Lindblom, he would be a -333,333 cap hit this year and a 666,667 dead cap next season (his cap hit is 3M).

Also, with the signing of DeAngelo, Flyers basically have zero cap space. No room to bring back Ellis. Hell, Flyers don't have room to sign Frost, Allison or Tippett.

Wait, did Tippett not get qualified? (Nevermind, he did get qualified).

Either way, you should never be paying for a guy who MAY hit 20 goals, at his age and his cap hit. You might as well cut bait and move the f*** on.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They had JvR at 50% retention last summer into this season up to the deadline & they weren’t getting much bites according to Charlie & ASF. Teams wanted an asset even back then.

According those guys as well Seattle wanted an asset to select JvR at the expansion draft too.

Weird, I’ve been hearing for weeks about how easy JVR will be to move and now I’m hearing about how easy it’s going to be to move Risto, Atkinson, Hayes, and all of Fletchers other slop.

It’s almost like it’s made up fantasy to shield one’s self from acknowledging how shitty this feeble ass excuse for a man is.

 

[Cody Webster]

Strome, Sushko, and Ustimenko didn’t get QOs.

Tough day for the Strome family
What's the deal with Ustimenko? Was he not good or just not enough room?

JVR is gone, next summer Hayes is 3x7 with the cap rising by 2024, so if he has a good year he's moveable if Gauthier is ready, Atkinson 2 years left, if he has another good year he's moveable.

Even Risto, if Torts gets him to play a more disciplined game, wouldn't be hard to move with 4x5, maybe retain $1M or take a veteran D-man back.

Ellis is either healthy or LTIR, Couts should be 100% so why would you want to move him at $7.5M?
Sanheim will either be extended or traded by the TDL.
DeAngelo will only have one year left on his deal.

Coming off last season, the bigger contracts are hard to move, but last season was a shitshow, if Torts gets this team playing "normal" hockey a lot of players will look more attractive - but teams will wait and see.

This is such delusional bullshit it's astounding. Do you really believe even half the bullshit you put out?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

JVR is on the last year of his contract at a 7M cap hit. Buying him out will make him be 4,333,334 dead cap space this year and 1,333,334 next year. If we bought out Lindblom, he would be a -333,333 cap hit this year and a 666,667 dead cap next season (his cap hit is 3M).

Also, with the signing of DeAngelo, Flyers basically have zero cap space. No room to bring back Ellis. Hell, Flyers don't have room to sign Frost, Allison or Tippett.

Wait, did Tippett not get qualified?

Either way, you should never be paying for a guy who MAY hit 20 goals, at his age and his cap hit. You might as well cut bait and move the f*** on.

so what internal replacement will score 20+ goals? It is so silly to have dead cap space when you look at where this team is at.

Ellis is cooked. Will never play another game for the Flyers.

 

[Adam Warlock]

They had JvR at 50% retention last summer into this season up to the deadline & they weren’t getting much bites according to Charlie & ASF. Teams wanted an asset even back then.

According those guys as well Seattle wanted an asset to select JvR at the expansion draft too.

Trade deadline is different though. Sure, a team like Seattle in the offseason can ask for the moon bc they have all the leverage. At the TDL, contending teams get greedy. I guarentee a GM out there wouldve been interested at JVR for 3.5mil. Hes a proven/consistent 25 goal scorer with leadership qualities and is good on the PP. We all know first hand GMs love that shit.

Right now, the teams chucks talking to dont need JVR bc theyre not close to contending...so the only value they get is an added asset/having him as a deadline piece.

If JVR gets moved to a seattle or an arizona,we will all be pissed when he gets them a good return in february.

Good GMs buy low, sell high...like carolina did with TDA. Chuck is the guy that buys bitcoin when its at an all time high and then immediately sells when it crashes.

 

[FLYguy3911]

What's the deal with Ustimenko? Was he not good or just not enough room?

Hurt and Belarussian. Showed promise before the injury.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

so what internal replacement will score 20+ goals? It is so silly to have dead cap space when you look at where this team is at.

Ellis is cooked. Will never play another game for the Flyers.

He may have led this team with 24 goals, but also was absolutely abysmal 5v5. Had the worst even strength goal differential of any forward on the team, and only one other player had a worse GF% at even strength for forwards and that was MacEwen. JVR's defense is so bad, you can also bet his ass is going to be benched often enough that he will never, ever make 20 goals under Torts.

So at that point, why keep him around?

 

[ellja3]

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

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and tucson,

this is why you just don't mindlessly sign or trade for players because they're available.

This path started when they blew money on KEven Hayes, a glorified 3rd line center. This result was inevitable the moment they signed him

I still can't believe we had the chance to acquire a first for Risto and instead re-signed him for for FIVE YEARS at FIVE MILLION per year. You wanna talk about screwing over the next GM of the Flyers.... Hayes at 7 million for four more years, Ellis at 6.25 for five more years, Risto I mentioned, Laughton at 3 million for four more years, TDA at 5 million for two years. MAYBE Couturier comes back and is good but still, that's 7.75 million for EIGHT years. What a dumpster fire this team is.

hey but at least they did something....... that's all that matters, its better than drafting.......


sarcasm

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Trade deadline is different though. Sure, a team like Seattle in the offseason can ask for the moon bc they have all the leverage. At the TDL, contending teams get greedy. I guarentee a GM out there wouldve been interested at JVR for 3.5mil. Hes a proven/consistent 25 goal scorer with leadership qualities and is good on the PP. We all know first hand GMs love that shit.

Right now, the teams chucks talking to dont need JVR bc theyre not close to contending...so the only value they get is an added asset/having him as a deadline piece.

If JVR gets moved to a seattle or an arizona,we will all be pissed when he gets them a good return in february.

Good GMs buy low, sell high...like carolina did with TDA. Chuck is the guy that buys bitcoin when its at an all time high and then immediately sells when it crashes.

They had JvR available this past deadline too. Nobody wanted him without an asset attached then too. That’s directly from both Charlie & ASF.

This isn’t me defending Fletcher. This is just the reality of the situation he himself created that teams have & continue to squeeze him for salary/cap relief.

 

[GKJ]

Tough day for the Strome family
What's the deal with Ustimenko? Was he not good or just not enough room?

This is such delusional bullshit it's astounding. Do you really believe even half the bullshit you put out?

Couldn’t stay on the ice. I think he was a 10.2c RFA too so he would’ve been basically forced to his QO unless he went home.

JVR has yet to be waived, so they still think there is something out there that’s better than zero-value

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

W/ all these bad contracts, Fletcher actually out Homered Homer.

If a new GM took over today and committed to rebuilding he'd have a worse cap situation than when Hextall took over.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They had JvR available this past deadline too. Nobody wanted him without an asset attached then too. That’s directly from both Charlie & ASF.

This isn’t me defending Fletcher. This is just the reality of the situation he himself created that teams have & continue to squeeze him for salary/cap relief.

Remember when he signed and there was a common complaint that he got too much AAV? That keeping the term down was less important? If they think 1/7 is tough to move, imagine 2/12.

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

JVR is gone, next summer Hayes is 3x7 with the cap rising by 2024, so if he has a good year he's moveable if Gauthier is ready, Atkinson 2 years left, if he has another good year he's moveable.

Even Risto, if Torts gets him to play a more disciplined game, wouldn't be hard to move with 4x5, maybe retain $1M or take a veteran D-man back.

Ellis is either healthy or LTIR, Couts should be 100% so why would you want to move him at $7.5M?
Sanheim will either be extended or traded by the TDL.
DeAngelo will only have one year left on his deal.

Coming off last season, the bigger contracts are hard to move, but last season was a shitshow, if Torts gets this team playing "normal" hockey a lot of players will look more attractive - but teams will wait and see.

even if any of this was true, the other GM's in the league do not respect Fletcher.

They would force him into making a bad ideal

 

[Rebels57]

Weird, I’ve been hearing for weeks about how easy JVR will be to move and now I’m hearing about how easy it’s going to be to move Risto, Atkinson, Hayes, and all of Fletchers other slop.

It’s almost like it’s made up fantasy to shield one’s self from acknowledging how shitty this feeble ass excuse for a man is.

It's almost like he has been doing this for attention for 7+ years and there's no logic behind it....nor is there any logic to constantly feeding him the attention he craves so desperately

 

[DancingPanther]

Lmao at the notion of trading Risto one year into his new contract and retaining money to do so.

Peak Fletcher

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

They're morons

They are morons, but JG isn’t coming here.

 

[Hisch13r]

They are morons, but JG isn’t coming here.

I think he probably is

 

[CerpinTaxt]

I still can't believe we had the chance to acquire a first for Risto and instead re-signed him for for FIVE YEARS at FIVE MILLION per year. You wanna talk about screwing over the next GM of the Flyers.... Hayes at 7 million for four more years, Ellis at 6.25 for five more years, Risto I mentioned, Laughton at 3 million for four more years, TDA at 5 million for two years. MAYBE Couturier comes back and is good but still, that's 7.75 million for EIGHT years. What a dumpster fire this team is.

And if I remember correctly, they made the decision to re-sign him after the 1 good game he had against Washington.

They threw away an entire careers worth of crap and signed a player based off of one good game.

No wonder Chuckles didn't win GM of the year

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Remember when he signed and there was a common complaint that he got too much AAV? That keeping the term down was less important? If they think 1/7 is tough to move, imagine 2/12.

I was actually thinking of you earlier when I posted in another thread about Atkinson’s deal. As I remember me, you, & few others were pushing back that the contract swap between his & Voracek’s wasn’t some win it was made out to be.

Not that it really matters now as I fully expect the team to be cratered by then anyway but yeah I much rather have dealt with Voracek’s contract at the end with the less year.

 

[DancingPanther]

I was actually thinking of you earlier when I posted in another thread about Atkinson’s deal. As I remember me, you, & few others were pushing back that the contract swap between his & Voracek’s wasn’t some win it was made out to be.

Not that it really matters now as I fully expect the team to be cratered by then anyway but yeah I much rather have dealt with Voracek’s contract at the end with the less year.

DP checking in

Betterfitkinson was an underrated horrible move from the start