2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[wankstifier]

If they pay to get rid of Lindblom and van Riemsdyk, it’s a two line team

 

[JojoTheWhale]

How could you sell Voracek low? Seattle didn't want him for free. Negative value with 3 years at $8.25M.
Ghost went for market price to dump contract (now whether he should have been dumped . . .)
Hagg had negative value, at least according to this board.
Simmonds wasn't sold low, he was sold too late.
Gudas wasn't sold low, he's a career 3RD. And was exposed in this year's playoffs.

Selling at a low point in someone's value is considered selling low in my book. I was consistent in this by considering Ellis a low buy.

I consistently said Hagg had trade value. What other people thought is not my problem.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, it makes sense for Torts to want one of his guys on the team his first season here.
But Torts isn't sentimental about players, if he thinks one of the kids is better, he'll play over Atkinson.

Tortorella uses the players the GM gives him. Tortorella isnt the GM. He doesn't make the roster. He stays in his lane.

 

[DancingPanther]

Our 4th line is gonna be sick.

Which one?

 

[deadhead]

Tortorella uses the players the GM gives him. Tortorella isnt the GM. He doesn't make the roster. He stays in his lane.

He gives input on all the moves, Fletcher even said he checked in with Torts before making the DeAngelo trade.

Now it's very possible Torts is overconfident about his ability to handle DeAngelo, but that's a different matter.

 

[Curufinwe]

32 teams in the league, and the Flyers are the only one where the General Manager is an employee of the coach.

 

[Magua]

Anaheim, Detroit, Seattle, Buffalo, New Jersey......just some teams with massive cap space, a possible usage role, and vague signs of trying to be somewhat competitive. None of them could use JVR retained? While I'm not saying I wouldn't just hold him, the assumption is he needs an asset attached, within reason, and nothing valuable is going out. Then, he's also flippable for another asset at the deadline. I'm trying to see the value downside if I was that GM. You get a useful enough player without term, you get an asset, you allow yourself room to get another.

Some team will trip over itself to give Rickard Rakell 4 years and $5.5 mil per, but 1 year of JVR at a similar AAV (with only $5 mil in salary before retention) is somehow an albatross? Nothing about that passes the smell test. And I'm not even saying it's not realistic; I'm just saying why it's realistic is nonsense. It seems to keep going back to the notion other teams believe Fletcher and the Flyers are suckers, so they want to see who can make the biggest sucker out of them. They must be laughing amongst themselves trying to pry a 2024 1st.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

If they pay to get rid of Lindblom and van Riemsdyk, it’s a two line team

Pretty good considering they're a one line team at the best of times.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Selling at a low point in someone's value is considered selling low in my book. I was consistent in this by considering Ellis a low buy.

I consistently said Hagg had trade value. What other people thought is not my problem.

I genuinely thought Hagg would bring back a 2nd if you had a competent GM (even if he really shouldn't bring back a 2nd on merit).

Unfortunately, we didn't have a competent GM. We have Chuck Felcher.

 

[GKJ]

When Ellis goes on LTIR they will be able to have an ACSL of close to $82.5m. Tampa will be doing the same thing with Seabrook.

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

And Marek repeated his claim that Philly will go after Deslauriers.

Yeah, he also said Guerin knew he couldn’t keep him.

When push comes to shove here though, I still have a hard time seeing Chuck sitting in his office, looking back at Clarke-Holmgren-Lombardi and Dave Scott, and say that the reason they couldn’t get Gaudreau was because he wasn’t willing to pay the price for cap space.

 

[deadhead]

32 teams in the league, and the Flyers are the only one where the General Manager is an employee of the coach.

Name me a HC who makes more than his GM who doesn't have major input into personnel decisions.

 

[wankstifier]

Is Deslauriers the worst forward in the league?

 

[Beef Invictus]

He gives input on all the moves, Fletcher even said he checked in with Torts before making the DeAngelo trade.

Now it's very possible Torts is overconfident about his ability to handle DeAngelo, but that's a different matter.

I take this as an admission that you were wrong for years when you insisted that coaching doesn't matter while slamming the worth of good coaches and propping up a bad Hakstol.

Since coaches now are more important than the GM, the President, and Alternate Governor combined.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hell no. Zack and Nate are worse, for a start.

I genuinely thought Hagg would bring back a 2nd if you had a competent GM (even if he really shouldn't bring back a 2nd on merit).

Well he went for a 6th at the deadline.

 

[Magua]

I would wager to say that the majority of permanent head coaches in the NHL make more money than their general managers. But management salaries aren't disclosed. You'd likely have exceptions like Edmonton or Detroit or the Islanders, rookie coaches, etc. It's hard for me to see GMs averaging $2.5-3 mil though.

Luckily, a player making more money can't be benched by a coach making less. And since players make the most money, they manage teams. Thus, Fletcher has no managerial control. QED.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

A buyout does nothing for them. They have to clear that full $7M of JvR’s contract to have a chance with Gaudreau.

Oh yeah, I wasn't suggesting we should do that just wondering if we were past that point. I could see numbnuts doing it though.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

@Captain Dave Poulin

 

[wankstifier]

Hell no. Zack and Nate are worse, for a start.



Well he went for a 6th at the deadline.

Is Thompson still in the league? MacEwen seems pretty close to Deslauriers. I’d almost prefer Thompson. He’d be cheaper and accepting of a 1 year deal.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I would wager to say that the majority of permanent head coaches in the NHL make more money than their general managers. But management salaries aren't disclosed. You'd likely have exceptions like Edmonton or Detroit, rookie coaches, etc.

Luckily, a player making more money can't be benched by a coach making less. And since players make the most money, they manage teams. Thus, Fletcher has no managerial control. QED.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I would wager to say that the majority of permanent head coaches in the NHL make more money than their general managers. But management salaries aren't disclosed. You'd likely have exceptions like Edmonton or Detroit or the Islanders, rookie coaches, etc. It's hard for me to see GMs averaging $2.5-3 mil though.

Luckily, a player making more money can't be benched by a coach making less. And since players make the most money, they manage teams. Thus, Fletcher has no managerial control. QED.

Yeah, GM salaries aren't necessarily what people expect.

I don't remember if this was public info or scuttlebutt, but when Holland signed with Edmonton, he supposedly got 5 x 5. That was a market reset the way Babcock was in Toronto for coaches. Obviously that wasn't very long ago.

 

[Magua]

View attachment 567430

Do you think the average GM is making $3 mil a year? That's about what the average coach makes. That sounds high. Supposedly, Ken Holland makes $5 mil, and he's considered a god by these fools. For perspective, McClellan is making $5 mil. I forgot French Alan.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeah, GM salaries aren't necessarily what people expect.

I don't remember if this was public info or scuttlebutt, but when Holland signed with Edmonton, he supposedly got 5 x 5, which was a market reset the way Babcock was in Toronto for coaches. Obviously that wasn't very long ago.

Honestly there’s some good middle to bottom of the lineup guys hitting UFA now with not being QO’d.

Toronto’s probably happy Washington let Samsonov go. Not that he’s been great but he’s still young if you can get him on the cheap. Pair with Murray as a 1A/1B.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I would wager to say that the majority of permanent head coaches in the NHL make more money than their general managers. But management salaries aren't disclosed. You'd likely have exceptions like Edmonton or Detroit or the Islanders, rookie coaches, etc. It's hard for me to see GMs averaging $2.5-3 mil though.

Luckily, a player making more money can't be benched by a coach making less. And since players make the most money, they manage teams. Thus, Fletcher has no managerial control. QED.

According to Cap Friendly Couturier is in charge. But with him on IR, control defaults to Hayes. Hmm.

 

[Curufinwe]

And soon it could be Malkin if he signs here.

 

[deadhead]

Hagg was never worth more than a late round pick as a 6th/7th D-man.

JVR should be moveable with $2M retained, good luck finding a 20+ goal scoring forward in FA for $3M.
Just wait for the top tier to get signed, and GMs looking for scoring will come calling.

Problem is if the FO is fixated on JG, then they'll do something stupid, but hopefully Calgary will re-sign him.

But this all comes down to the mandate to "aggressively reload" and "be competitive."
We've seen this for a decade, which is how we signed JVR in the first place, and traded for Fippula as a 2C. Or held on to Simmonds two years too long.