2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[LegionOfDoom91]

Even if you’re optimistic on Eichel’s injury, he could possibly miss a chunk of this upcoming season. Which I’d imagine also has teams not willing to part with noteworthy roster pieces.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't understand why people have Frost penciled into the lineup next year. You can bet Schmuck and Nature Boy are using him as one of the pieces to acquire Seth Jones or Jack Eichel. Frost doesn't have the ARGH SIIIIIIIIZE factor that they look for.

He's the same size as Farabee.

 

[deadhead]

He's the same size as Farabee.

Well, Farabee has a bigger frame and should fill out a bit more, 168 at the Combine, by this fall I'm betting on close to 190.
You could see the difference last season with a stronger Farabee, I expect him to add strength the next 2-3 offseasons (he's just turned 21 in February). He has natural strength along with that frame.
Frost will probably struggle maintaining 185 lbs, much like Ghost who has never been able to add much strength.
At 22 I expect Frost to be significantly stronger than he was at 20, but he's not going to be as physical as Suzuki.

Which shows the difference between the CHL and the NHL, Frost and Suzuki were neck to neck in the CHL, but Suzuki has clearly been the better NHL player - strength does matter when playing against adults.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Sounds like he might not be interested in signing an extension with any team right now.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don't understand why people have Frost penciled into the lineup next year. You can bet Schmuck and Nature Boy are using him as one of the pieces to acquire Seth Jones or Jack Eichel. Frost doesn't have the ARGH SIIIIIIIIZE factor that they look for.

you wouldn’t part with Frost to get Eichel? Really?
Look, I get it. He comes with risk, but he is a guy I would roll the dice on. Better than throwing assets at Jones when it looks like he wants to test the market.
If Eichel returns to form and we don’t trade for him and it was Frost who was the deal breaker, fans will not be happy

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Sounds like he might not be interested in signing an extension with any team right now.

Or at least not with this shithole, which is an encouraging sign of his intelligence after all the other stuff.

 

[The Madrigal]

Sounds like he might not be interested in signing an extension with any team right now.

Jones is my top target and while I don't need an extension in place to trade for him there are a few caveats to that.

First of all, I wouldn't trade for him unless there was at least some sort of assurance from his agent that he is willing to talk about a new deal before the season starts. If word from his camp is we plan to see how the season goes and will consider talking about a new deal down the line then I would move on.

Second, if there isn't a new deal signed on the dotted line upon completion of trade I wouldn't be giving up as much to get him. So let's say Jones doesn't want to sign a long term deal before the trade is completed but his agent says he is willing to re-sign and talk throughout the summer, then I would make a deal but Columbus is getting less.

When you consider that Hamilton, Dumba, OEL, and possibly Ellis and Parayko are available this summer they don't need to put all of their eggs in one basket. The expansion draft could be a major factor here but the longer this drags out the more I get the feeling they will go in a different direction.

Ryan Ellis locked up for 6 more years at a cap hit of 6.25 million is incredible value, even if his level of play starts to drop off a little bit by years 5 and 6 of the deal. I just hope they don't sign someone like Larsson, Savard, or Martinez and have that be their big acquisition on defense for the summer. I am perfectly fine with adding someone like that for the 2nd pairing in addition to a top pairing guy. Someone like that alone won't move the needle though on or off the ice.

 

[Rebels57]

Sounds like he might not be interested in signing an extension with any team right now.

I pray that keeps us from the grave mistake Fletch wants to make.

 

[The Madrigal]

I pray that keeps us from the grave mistake Fletch wants to make.

Just because you say it over and over again, including that he is a garbage human being, doesn't make it right.

 

[Rebels57]

Just because you say it over and over again, including that he is a garbage human being, doesn't make it right.

I dont value your shit garbage opinions so replying to my comments is pointless.

 

[The Madrigal]

I dont value your shit garbage opinions so replying to my comments is pointless.

LMAO, and yet you took the time to respond.....please tell us all again how Seth Jones is a garbage human being and how he isn't as good as Sanheim. Better yet, I'm still waiting for you to post that poll on the NHL forum asking unbiased fans who is better. Surely you remember that challenge I put down on you and how quickly you ran away from it.

 

[TheKingPin]

Jones is my top target and while I don't need an extension in place to trade for him there are a few caveats to that.

First of all, I wouldn't trade for him unless there was at least some sort of assurance from his agent that he is willing to talk about a new deal before the season starts. If word from his camp is we plan to see how the season goes and will consider talking about a new deal down the line then I would move on.

Second, if there isn't a new deal signed on the dotted line upon completion of trade I wouldn't be giving up as much to get him. So let's say Jones doesn't want to sign a long term deal before the trade is completed but his agent says he is willing to re-sign and talk throughout the summer, then I would make a deal but Columbus is getting less.

When you consider that Hamilton, Dumba, OEL, and possibly Ellis and Parayko are available this summer they don't need to put all of their eggs in one basket. The expansion draft could be a major factor here but the longer this drags out the more I get the feeling they will go in a different direction.

Ryan Ellis locked up for 6 more years at a cap hit of 6.25 million is incredible value, even if his level of play starts to drop off a little bit by years 5 and 6 of the deal. I just hope they don't sign someone like Larsson, Savard, or Martinez and have that be their big acquisition on defense for the summer. I am perfectly fine with adding someone like that for the 2nd pairing in addition to a top pairing guy. Someone like that alone won't move the needle though on or off the ice.

What would you be ok trading for an unsigned Jones? We could get him and he play as planned and we keep on sucking and just set us back a year or two bc of the trade.

 

[The Madrigal]

What would you be ok trading for an unsigned Jones? We could get him and he play as planned and we keep on sucking and just set us back a year or two bc of the trade.

Considering he would instantly be our best defenseman and fill our biggest need the chances of acquiring him setting us back is extremely unlikely.

Also, set us back from what, lol, MAYBE being good in a few years.

Just so I'm clear, you think we need picks, prospects ,and relatively unproven young players more than an elite number 1 defenseman who is just hitting his prime. How has having all of those picks, prospects, and relatively unproven young players worked out for the Flyers over the last few years.

So I will ask you again, set us back from what exactly.

 

[Lindberg]

Sounds like he might not be interested in signing an extension with any team right now.

Could be the saving grace.

 

[tucson83]

Considering he would instantly be our best defenseman and fill our biggest need the chances of acquiring him setting us back is extremely unlikely.

Also, set us back from what, lol, MAYBE being good in a few years.

Just so I'm clear, you think we need picks, prospects ,and relatively unproven young players more than an elite number 1 defenseman who is just hitting his prime. How has having all of those picks, prospects, and relatively unproven young players worked out for the Flyers over the last few years.

So I will ask you again, set us back from what exactly.

they would rather keep the unproven players and think they will win cup in 2022, it's how brainwashed these fans that buy into hextall's plan are. seems like they just dont care about how bad this team in 10 to 20 years, they just to keep pushing their way until it works.

 

[The Madrigal]

they would rather keep the unproven players and think they will win cup in 2022, it's how brainwashed these fans that buy into hextall's plan are. seems like they just dont care about how bad this team in 10 to 20 years, they just to keep pushing their way until it works.

Hextall killed this fanbase. He really had/has a large portion of them believing that building an entire team through the draft is a recipe for cup winning success.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

This is Fletcher’s second real offseason. His first offseason they went from out of the playoffs to 6th in the NHL & a playoff series win for the first time in 9 years.

His second off-season was screwed to hell by Covid & a flattened cap & an unexpected retirement. And Carter Hart then giving one of the worst starting goaltending performances in 25 years.

 

[TheKingPin]

Considering he would instantly be our best defenseman and fill our biggest need the chances of acquiring him setting us back is extremely unlikely.

Also, set us back from what, lol, MAYBE being good in a few years.

Just so I'm clear, you think we need picks, prospects ,and relatively unproven young players more than an elite number 1 defenseman who is just hitting his prime. How has having all of those picks, prospects, and relatively unproven young players worked out for the Flyers over the last few years.

So I will ask you again, set us back from what exactly.

I asked what you would trade for an unsigned Jones?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Or at least not with this shithole, which is an encouraging sign of his intelligence after all the other stuff.

Maybe. But it does seem from reading the tea leaves he might just be set on hitting free agency next summer regardless.

 

[FlyTimmo]

This is Fletcher’s second real offseason. His first offseason they went from out of the playoffs to 6th in the NHL & a playoff series win for the first time in 9 years.

His second off-season was screwed to hell by Covid & a flattened cap & an unexpected retirement. And Carter Hart then giving one of the worst starting goaltending performances in 25 years.

Covid didn't affect just the Flyers, plenty of GMs made positive modes despite the flat cap and he had plenty of time to fill Niskanen's spot. This is his 3rd real offseason.

 

[Tripod]

I pray that keeps us from the grave mistake Fletch wants to make.

....so he can sign ADA.

 

[The Madrigal]

This is Fletcher’s second real offseason. His first offseason they went from out of the playoffs to 6th in the NHL & a playoff series win for the first time in 9 years.

His second off-season was screwed to hell by Covid & a flattened cap & an unexpected retirement. And Carter Hart then giving one of the worst starting goaltending performances in 25 years.

I agree to some level. I said at the time that signing Gustafsson made no sense and was a terrible move and waste of cap dollars. I'm not encouraged by what he did last summer but there were cap constraints and the looming expansion draft that had a big effect on things around the league. His first offseason with the Flyers was fantastic though.

People can bitch and moan all they want about Hayes being overpaid and while he is they had little to no choice but to sign someone like him. Hextall didn't draft one legit top 9 center during his supposed master rebuild and you can't win in this league without center depth. Hayes was one of their best forwards during the season and in the playoffs and a huge reason why they had the success they did. He sucked for about the 2nd half of this season but it's hard to do well when you have to play through a sports hernia.

Niskanen for Gudas was a great trade and had a huge impact on the team despite half the board claiming that Gudas was better.

Braun and Pitlick were good role players for the team and both were acquired for next to nothing.

So Fletcher has two offseasons as the Flyers GM. One was great leading to their most successful season in several years, and one was bad leading to a disappointing season. This is why the whole ''You don't get it, we want to make trades but we know the guy making them will mess it up anyway'' narrative is a load of BS. Fletcher's history as GM of the Flyers is basically 50/50 and so the logical approach to this offseason would be cautious optimism. I neither expect him to have a great offseason or a poor one. His first summer here along with saying that the mix of players here obviously isn't the right one provides some definite encouragement though. Thinking otherwise is nothing more than choosing to operate under a clear agenda because at the very least he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

[The Madrigal]

Covid didn't affect just the Flyers, plenty of GMs made positive modes despite the flat cap and he had plenty of time to fill Niskanen's spot. This is his 3rd real offseason.

That is perfectly fair. He has one great offseason and one bad one. He is batting .500 and deserves the benefit of the doubt through this very critical offseason for the franchise. Expecting him to definitely have a great or horrible offseason is kind of silly, hence why I used the term cautious optimism.

 

[Striiker]

Could be the saving grace.

Jones is going to save this team.... by not coming here.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

People like to deride Fletcher like he’s a caveman. I can’t think of a GM who comes across as more thoughtful & intelligent. I also think he’s learned from his early days when he probably was a little brash.