2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[Ghosts Beer]

We will see over the next few weeks. I don't think it's unfair to say that this is a crucial offseason for both the Flyers franchise and Fletcher's career here as GM.

It certainly is.

 

[BernieParent]

Neck injuries have way too many question marks and you're rolling the dice that he MIGHT have a long career. If it's true that it's disc replacement in his neck, you're looking at a minimum of three months before he can begin working out and getting into shape and probably another 3 to 4 months of getting back into game shape, so there's seven months right there. If spinal fusion is also required (and that's the million dollar question) then it becomes a 12 to 16 month window. Those are my reasons for not making the deal for Eichel. Now I'm certain that the Flyers medical staff will have more information than what any of us have, but then you have to ask - do you trust the Flyers medical and training staff?

It's almost as if the acquiring team can keep Eichel and his cap hit off the books ...

... until the playoffs.

 

[Striiker]

the other thing that tanking fans dont realize is the players feelings too, alot of players want out and go to cup contending teams. heck some players that are picked from draft in the top 5 want to go back to college because of the environment being so bad.

you ok?

 

[Tripod]

No. Niskanen had a two year contract & Covid was the reason he retired. His retirement was as much of a surprise as Covid.

It was a surprise...but on Sept 6th. He still had 4 months until the season started to do something.

General manager Chuck Fletcher said Niskanen called him the day after the Flyers' second-round Game 7 loss to the Islanders on Sept. 5 as the defenseman was driving home to Minnesota. Niskanen told Fletcher he was going to retire.

"It caught me off-guard, absolutely," Fletcher said "I just told him to get home, see your family, spend some time and let’s talk again in a few weeks. We’ve had a couple conversations since then and he’s resolute in his desire to retire."


And what did Fletch do in those few weeks? Go from not re-signing Braun....to signing him for 2 years the day Niskanen officially retired. Then laters signed Gus for 3 million.

 

[The Madrigal]

Do you have down syndrome? Read what I wrote. I said I wouldn't trade Frost for Eichel with a questionable neck injury. The fact that Buffalo is being vague about the neck injury should be a red flag for everyone.

So the guy who says he wouldn't trade Frost for Eichel is asking me if I have downs syndrome. That's rich. Yet another example of someone saying something ridiculous and going to the ''you just don't understand'' line of crap. No no no, I get it there is some risk with the neck injury. Doesn't make your comment or the fact that you have chosen to insult those with developmental disabilities with your wording any less dumb.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It was a surprise...but on Sept 6th. He still had 4 months until the season started to do something.

General manager Chuck Fletcher said Niskanen called him the day after the Flyers' second-round Game 7 loss to the Islanders on Sept. 5 as the defenseman was driving home to Minnesota. Niskanen told Fletcher he was going to retire.

"It caught me off-guard, absolutely," Fletcher said "I just told him to get home, see your family, spend some time and let’s talk again in a few weeks. We’ve had a couple conversations since then and he’s resolute in his desire to retire."


And what did Fletch do in those few weeks? Go from not re-signing Braun....to signing him for 2 years the day Niskanen officially retired. Then laters signed Gus for 3 million.

Yeah? You figure out a replacement for a top of the line player in 3 months with no money.

 

[The Madrigal]

You give up Frost for Eichel without batting an eye.

There is a far better chance that Eichel will have a full or mostly full recovery from the neck issue than there is that Frost becomes and impact player at all let alone a top 10 forward in the world like Eichel is. Every time I think this place can't possibly be topped someone goes and raises the bar. Then again, it's such an absurd take that chances are the dude is just trolling.

 

[Larry44]

If there’s only a season left on a player’s contract, then the assets traded should be for value provided over that season. Promise to re-sign has nothing to do with the team trading the player away. I don’t understand why this is so challenging.

Because you are oversimplifying it. If the buying team wants negotiating an extension with the player as part of the deal, it is smart for the trading team to try to persuade the player to at least discuss it. Player gets paid, team gets player long term, team gets more for their asset. I don’t know what’s hard to understand. Win, win, win.

If the player has his heart set on going UFA to another team and refuses any extension discussion, that’s his right and it’s back to a one year UFA rental-level ask by the seller.

 

[wankstifier]

Because you are oversimplifying it. If the buying team wants negotiating an extension with the player as part of the deal, it is smart for the trading team to try to persuade the player to at least discuss it. Player gets paid, team gets player long term, team gets more for their asset. I don’t know what’s hard to understand. Win, win, win.

If the player has his heart set on going UFA to another team and refuses any extension discussion, that’s his right and it’s back to a one year UFA rental-level ask by the seller.

I guess it might make sense if a player were truly exceptional. But paying top dollar both on acquisition and also extension with little to no competition seems pretty stupid.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

LMAO, and yet you took the time to respond.....please tell us all again how Seth Jones is a garbage human being and how he isn't as good as Sanheim. Better yet, I'm still waiting for you to post that poll on the NHL forum asking unbiased fans who is better. Surely you remember that challenge I put down on you and how quickly you ran away from it.

He responded because it was hilarious.

 

[The Madrigal]

Also I would agree that it is hilarious saying Sanheim is better than Jones.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Do you have down syndrome? Read what I wrote. I said I wouldn't trade Frost for Eichel with a questionable neck injury. The fact that Buffalo is being vague about the neck injury should be a red flag for everyone.

You should know the right thing to do is to add 10 million in salary, ignore the cap, and pretend Eichel has never been hurt.

 

[Tripod]

Yeah? You figure out a replacement for a top of the line player in 3 months with no money.

The sarcastic answer is "and whose fault is it there was no cap?"



But the real answer was Nisky's 5.75 was handed back to them when he retired so there WAS cap space. They CHOSE to use it on Braun's 1.8, Hagg's 1.6, and Gus at 3.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah? You figure out a replacement for a top of the line player in 3 months with no money.

Niskanen wasn't "top of the line."

 

[mize370]

Niskanen wasn't "top of the line."

Simple question. If we swapped entire rosters with Tampa Bay, do we make the finals as well with our magic system? Let alone back to back finals with a win.

Hard to see it with our super soft coverage infront of our own net. The non back checking we use quite often. The look over the shoulder before you go into the corner so you dont get hit. The other team mates sticking up for you when some thing happens on the ice. You know. Like we dont do at all now.

 

[deadhead]

The sarcastic answer is "and whose fault is it there was no cap?"

But the real answer was Nisky's 5.75 was handed back to them when he retired so there WAS cap space. They CHOSE to use it on Braun's 1.8, Hagg's 1.6, and Gus at 3.

That was one year of cap space, adding someone like Eichel requires $10M over five years, Hamilton/Jones, $8M over 7-8 years.
Braun and Hagg would have had to be replaced by someone making similar money, Friedman showed he wasn't viable, Prosser? Bigras?

 

[captainpaxil]

The bias for action is bleeding one major deal into another. Signing Hamilton just cost cap money. He's a big guy and moves the puck well so absolutely if he will accept an offer you make one. Eichel takes some thinking about with the injury concerns. It could be a deal that doesn't even pay off until 2022. What does it take to get it done and does it have to be done now? Jones I honestly don't think is as good as provorov and will have a higher cap hit. Would I move frost in a deal for eichel? yes. would I in a deal for Jones? No. I think the push to do Something is pushing up his value and it is becoming bad value fast.

In an attempt to cover everything gudas is/was better than Braun and I like the idea of Larsson. He can eat minutes and has gotten better defensively since his time in Jersey. I have said for a bit he'd be a good partner for ghost

 

[deadhead]

It was a surprise...but on Sept 6th. He still had 4 months until the season started to do something.

General manager Chuck Fletcher said Niskanen called him the day after the Flyers' second-round Game 7 loss to the Islanders on Sept. 5 as the defenseman was driving home to Minnesota. Niskanen told Fletcher he was going to retire.

"It caught me off-guard, absolutely," Fletcher said "I just told him to get home, see your family, spend some time and let’s talk again in a few weeks. We’ve had a couple conversations since then and he’s resolute in his desire to retire."

And what did Fletch do in those few weeks? Go from not re-signing Braun....to signing him for 2 years the day Niskanen officially retired. Then laters signed Gus for 3 million.

He signed Gus only after he couldn't sign Brodie b/c he wouldn't give him a NMC, and there was nothing left on the market.
Gus was an insurance policy for Ghost, who hasn't been a model of either durability or consistency the last three years.

 

[deadhead]

In an attempt to cover everything gudas is/was better than Braun and I like the idea of Larsson. He can eat minutes and has gotten better defensively since his time in Jersey. I have said for a bit he'd be a good partner for ghost

Gudas wasn't nearly as good as Braun.
Braun was a legitimate top four last season and held his own this year, though better suited to the third pair and 17 minutes a night.
Gudas has been a third pair D-man for every team he has played for, very good in that role, but the fact that four teams haven't seen him as more than that pretty much says it all.

Now Gudas might be better in 2021-22, but for $5.0M for 2 years, whereas Braun is only $1.8M for one year.

 

[deadhead]

You give up Frost for Eichel without batting an eye.

Not if Eichel's neck is a serious issue.
It's not only that he might have to retire, even worse, he might be able to play as a shadow of himself at $10M a year for five years, crippling your team.

 

[TheKingPin]

Also I would agree that it is hilarious saying Sanheim is better than Jones.

I doubt anyone would say that. Everyone has said the assets to acquire Jones, plus the contract he will have are too much for what he brings.

Maybe I missed it, but what did you want to trade for an unsigned Jones?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I doubt anyone would say that. Everyone has said the assets to acquire Jones, plus the contract he will have are too much for what he brings.

Maybe I missed it, but what did you want to trade for an unsigned Jones?

Multiple posters have said they think Sanheim is better than Jones.

 

[mja]

Multiple posters have said they think Sanheim is better than Jones.

Based on data. Always based on data. Your take seems mostly based on reputation.

I have no opinion.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Simple question. If we swapped entire rosters with Tampa Bay, do we make the finals as well with our magic system? Let alone back to back finals with a win.

Hard to see it with our super soft coverage infront of our own net. The non back checking we use quite often. The look over the shoulder before you go into the corner so you dont get hit. The other team mates sticking up for you when some thing happens on the ice. You know. Like we dont do at all now.

Switching from TBs layered transition to "everyone go long" would also be a massive downgrade for them.

 

[Larry44]

Not if Eichel's neck is a serious issue.
It's not only that he might have to retire, even worse, he might be able to play as a shadow of himself at $10M a year for five years, crippling your team.

Exactly. Eichel is untradeable until his health status is clearer.