2021 Roster Thread XIX - Who's In Net

[Larry44]

Simple question. If we swapped entire rosters with Tampa Bay, do we make the finals as well with our magic system? Let alone back to back finals with a win.

Hard to see it with our super soft coverage infront of our own net. The non back checking we use quite often. The look over the shoulder before you go into the corner so you dont get hit. The other team mates sticking up for you when some thing happens on the ice. You know. Like we dont do at all now.

Hard to say if TB’s superior talent could overcome AV’s terrible system. Vasilevskiy, Hedman, McDonough, Sergachev, Point and Kucherov, at least, are all better than any player we have. That’s a huge talent advantage. How many Flyers could even crack their lineup?

 

[TheKingPin]

Sounds like the Eichel ask is massive. I bet we see some more detail on that pretty soon.

 

[dats81]

Buffalo trading Eichel could potentially cripple the franchise.
Any other team moving prime assets for Eichel could potentially cripple their franchise if health issues are lingering.

I just don't see it happening. Not now.

 

[Larry44]

I guess it might make sense if a player were truly exceptional. But paying top dollar both on acquisition and also extension with little to no competition seems pretty stupid.

Agreed, I am not in favour of trading anything for Jones, even with an extension, but certainly not a 1st pick plus a player for a rental. If he won’t agree to an extension, no deal and no need for him.

 

[Prongo]

Sounds like the Eichel ask is massive. I bet we see some more detail on that pretty soon.

Saw the same shit reported about ROR and we know what he got moved for. I’ll wait and see.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not if Eichel's neck is a serious issue.
It's not only that he might have to retire, even worse, he might be able to play as a shadow of himself at $10M a year for five years, crippling your team.

This is all true and thus why I won't fault anyone for not wanting to trade any roster player for Eichel. The risk is real.

My stance is that until existing management is entirely expunged and reformed, nothing matters so they may as well try. It's the difference between losing because they can't build a complete team around Eichel, and losing because Eichel is an anchor.

 

[renberg]

Gus was an insurance policy for Ghost, who hasn't been a model of either durability or consistency the last three years.

It looks like Fletcher messed up with this. He thought that he could move SG and Gus would be his replacement. Problem: no one would deal for SG.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Dougie or Larrson is who i would like to see brought in.

 

[deadhead]

Meh, I think all this whining is just grasping for straws to explain a bad season.

Me, I'll just see what happens, I think a lot of players are going to bounce back, especially the younger players who got a real wakeup call about the importance of offseason preparation. This team has a lot of talent, even in a meltdown season, the only players with xGF under 50%:
Lindblom 49.90%, Braun 49.54%, Provorov 49.52%, Voracek 47.49%, NAK 46.79%
HDCF%:
Braun 49.81%, Sanheim 49.61%, Farabee 49.40%, Provorov 49.20%, JVR 48.63%, TK 48.58%, Patrick 48.54%, Voracek 46.86%, Myers 45.58%, Hagg 45.11%, NAK 41.61%

The biggest problem on ice is too many mistakes leading to HDCA, clean those up and this team can skate with anyone.

They dumped their two worst players at the TDL, Gus and Raffl.
They added Allison and Laczynski, and get Frost back and York and maybe Zamula and Hogberg
I'd be happy with staying put and losing the one player to the ED.
I just hope any trade doesn't make a serious dent in the young talent. I'm skeptical about Eichel's neck and Jones' brain.

The real key is fixing the goalies, as we've seen in the playoffs, it's hard to advance without at least above average goaltending.
That's why I keep saying that goalie 1B is the most important offseason move, getting Hart on track and having at least two prospects starting for LHV.

Give this team average goaltending and they'll bounce back like 2017-18 and 2019-20.

 

[Lindberg]

This is all true and thus why I won't fault anyone for not wanting to trade any roster player for Eichel. The risk is real.

My stance is that until existing management is entirely expunged and reformed, nothing matters so they may as well try. It's the difference between losing because they can't build a complete team around Eichel, and losing because Eichel is an anchor.

Unless the cost is something like 1st+Myers+Patrick for Eichel I'm kind of out.

Neck injuries are a very real and serious thing. Eichel is a top tier player who is basically PPG on Buffalo but that's also a lot of money and a good bit of risk for something not guaranteed.

 

[BritainStix]

Just wondering how many more times deadhead is going to say the same thing. I count 432 times since the start of the offseason.

Apparently average goalkeeping numbers means we are in the playoffs, while refusing to understand why some of those numbers were brutal in the first place.

Oh well.

 

[deadhead]

Just wondering how many more times deadhead is going to say the same thing. I count 432 times since the start of the offseason.

Apparently average goalkeeping numbers means we are in the playoffs, while refusing to understand why some of those numbers were brutal in the first place.

Oh well.

They were brutal b/c of really bad goaltending, sure, they made too many mistakes, but no more than a lot of teams (Winnipeg and Buffalo were far worse, yet Ullmark held his own - 9-6-3, other goalies 6-28-4, and Hellebuyck was maybe the best goalie in the league). Every team gives up goals b/c of defensive breakdowns, but good goalies stop some of those plays. However, bad goalies give up "Mr Softees" on a regular basis as we saw (Hart missing with his glove hand, Elliott unable to move laterally).

You simply can't win if your goalies give up soft goals on a regular basis.
How would TB have looked this season with the Flyer goalies?

 

[BritainStix]

433....

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Hard to say if TB’s superior talent could overcome AV’s terrible system. Vasilevskiy, Hedman, McDonough, Sergachev, Point and Kucherov, at least, are all better than any player we have. That’s a huge talent advantage. How many Flyers could even crack their lineup?

We still have couts for one more year.

 

[bobbythebrain]

433....

There are some truths tho.
Team was good till covid, as AV mentioned.
Hart is also streaky, but he's young. Remember his home and away conundrum? Well he looked like that this year. There was also reports he was struggling with all this covid shit.

I'm not advocating AV here but it's crazy to say it's 100% him.

 

[Prongo]

Weren’t they really lucky and propped up by great goaltending early in the season? Every metric I believe they were being dominated but they were winning. So I don’t think covid is the reason, it may have expedited the process but it wasn’t the reason they nose dived.

 

[Rebels57]

There are some truths tho.
Team was good till covid, as AV mentioned.
Hart is also streaky, but he's young. Remember his home and away conundrum? Well he looked like that this year. There was also reports he was struggling with all this covid shit.

I'm not advocating AV here but it's crazy to say it's 100% him.

No they werent. They sucked all season but lucked into wins early on. They even said they werent happy with their play the first 10 games despite a good record. They were getting heavily outchanced every game.