Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[DoktorJeep]

There was some talk on a broadcast recently that Robitaille and Blake played a long time at a high level, and they may think that the Kings vets could do the same. Made me think we’ll see Brown, Quick, Kopitar and Doughty around for the next 4-8 years still making 4M+.

 

[kilowatt]

There was some talk on a broadcast recently that Robitaille and Blake played a long time at a high level, and they may think that the Kings vets could do the same. Made me think we’ll see Brown, Quick, Kopitar and Doughty around for the next 4-8 years still making 4M+.

on god i'll become a kraken fan

 

[LAKings88]

Nick Kypreos said today the price for Chycrun includes a blue chip prospect plus plus. It would cost equivalent to Eichel because of the contract value. For the Leafs, Sandin would have to be included. Byfield or Turcotte was mentioned for the Kings, who they said didn’t have a defenseman on par with Sandin. And they said like 7 teams are in the bidding, including the Kings, Anaheim, Leafs, Ducks and Islanders.

So if it’s a 4 players for 1 player deal similar to the Eichel transaction in terms of rounding out the structure, it’s hard, but not impossible, to see moving Byfield. It could be argued the Kings don’t need him as much as Chycrun this year and next, especially with the depth at center throughout the organization. You’re gambling on Byfield in 3 years not being a 1C, when you likely need one because Kopitar is too old. Who knows, maybe Vilardi can get close to that level in 3 years, or even Turcotte. And in the meantime, the team is making the playoffs and possibly going on a run or two.


My take is the Kings would have to offer a package of lottery protected 1st, a second, Byfield and Iafallo to land Chyrcrun in a hyper competitive market. That’s as close to the Eichel deal as it gets for them.

I can’t see LA moving Byfield

My ask from Arizona would be:

Turcotte-Faber-1st and I’d say throw in Chromiak for good measure.

 

[FSL KINGS]

And Doughty put up just 8 goals last year and has 3 in 14 games this year. Slice it how you want, he was still on a bad team against NHL competition and as the second leading scorer, likely also focused on a lot more than most defensemen game in, game out. Still posted great numbers. The caliber of competition can only be factored so much into numbers.

The 58 games a season is again, misleading. He's only had the potential to play 70 and 56 games the past two seasons, and 30 this year so far. So of the last 156 possible games he's played 145, including the full season last year. I believe the only reason he missed four games this year was COVID protocols as well, but I can't seem to find that to be sure. If you look at it from a percentage of possible games played, he's averaged 65 games played per 82 games over his career and 76 per 82 over the last two-plus season (2019-2020-present).

AZ was not great last year. They finished 11th to 13th? Meanwhile Ducks 3rd, Sharks 7th, Kings 8th? Plenty of bad teams in division to run the score up on.

Chychrun's high for games played in the regular season is 68. He is currently on injured reserve.

My concern is paying a Seth Jones level price for someone that gets injured a lot & had a spike in points in a crazy year. If the price was Vilardi straight up, fine.

 

[tbrown33]

Not to say he can't improve on his numbers but the guy has had 18 goals in 118 NHL games. He's not likely to suddenly be a sniper at 27 years of age. Also, I like the point total part of the argument because TJ Tynan has an even better PPG and people called it a waste to call him up for two games.

Frk's stats almost identically mirror Michael Mersch. He's a UFA and could sign with any team and has no takers.

Frk btw has nine points in his last 12 games, so his current pace is really due to a hot run to start the season.

Fair, but my point is more "why don't the reporters who cover this team ever ask questions that need to be asked." The "I don't know" response is kind of ridiculous.

 

[kingsfan]

Fair, but my point is more "why don't the reporters who cover this team ever ask questions that need to be asked." The "I don't know" response is kind of ridiculous.

Very fair. I'd like to see what the media scrum even looks like. Probably more of a fight over the soda fountain than over getting a quote.

 

[johnjm22]

Not to say he can't improve on his numbers but the guy has had 18 goals in 118 NHL games. He's not likely to suddenly be a sniper at 27 years of age. Also, I like the point total part of the argument because TJ Tynan has an even better PPG and people called it a waste to call him up for two games.

Frk's stats almost identically mirror Michael Mersch. He's a UFA and could sign with any team and has no takers.

Frk btw has nine points in his last 12 games, so his current pace is really due to a hot run to start the season.

Frk scored at a 29 goal pace in his last stint with the Kings.

 

[kingsfan]

AZ was not great last year. They finished 11th to 13th? Meanwhile Ducks 3rd, Sharks 7th, Kings 8th? Plenty of bad teams in division to run the score up on.

Chychrun's high for games played in the regular season is 68. He is currently on injured reserve.

My concern is paying a Seth Jones level price for someone that gets injured a lot & had a spike in points in a crazy year. If the price was Vilardi straight up, fine.

I'm fine with the fluctuation in value, I get it. Dealing for younger defenseman with higher ceiling is tricky. I'm just saying the price is likely to be above Jones. At this stage I really doubt if we could even get a 1st for Vilardi.

 

[kingsfan]

Frk scored at a 29 goal pace in his last stint with the Kings.

In 17 games. Brendan Lemieux is on a 27 goal pace at the moment, I don't think anyone is betting on that.

Players can get hot, it's why we shouldn't cherry pick results.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I can’t see LA moving Byfield

My ask from Arizona would be:

Turcotte-Faber-1st and I’d say throw in Chromiak for good measure.

If you’re dealing for a young all star, the picks are table stakes, especially if the first is lottery protected. Throwing fan favorites into a package is not an option IMO. Chycruns affordable contract increases the number of teams who are potential buyers. The best combination of blue chipper and roster player has the highest odds of winning a bidding war.

Vegas gave up their best prospect and a young 20 goal scorer and win the Eichel auction. For the Kings that’s one of Turcotte or Byfield and Kempe or Iafallo.

 

[kingsfan]

I can’t see LA moving Byfield

My ask from Arizona would be:

Turcotte-Faber-1st and I’d say throw in Chromiak for good measure.

I'd pay that

 

[Schmooley]

Vegas gave up their best prospect and a young 20 goal scorer and win the Eichel auction. For the Kings that’s one of Turcotte or Byfield.

But its not though. Turcotte and Byfield have more value than Krebs and thats why you didnt see Buffalo get either of them, Zegras, Drysdale. Laf, Kakko…
A mid first round pick being your best prospect to offer doesnt mean teams have to offer players drafted in the lottery. Krebs is closer to Vilardi than Byfield.

 

[DoktorJeep]

But its not though. Turcotte and Byfield have more value than Krebs and thats why you didnt see Buffalo get either of them, Zegras, Drysdale. Laf, Kakko…
A mid first round pick being your best prospect to offer doesnt mean teams have to offer players drafted in the lottery. Krebs is closer to Vilardi than Byfield.

Agree about the relative player values, but it just means that LA wasn’t in the Eichel deal because they weren’t willing to put their #1 prospect on the table. So if LA won’t do that for Chycrun, they’re out of the mix at the end of the day.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

But its not though. Turcotte and Byfield have more value than Krebs and thats why you didnt see Buffalo get either of them, Zegras, Drysdale. Laf, Kakko…
A mid first round pick being your best prospect to offer doesnt mean teams have to offer players drafted in the lottery. Krebs is closer to Vilardi than Byfield.

Yeah I'm seeing this false equivalency a lot. Imagine Sandin = Byfield, lol.

"well from toronto it would be Robertson and Sandin, but the la prospects in those slots are Byfield and Clarke." Give me a break, Kypreos.

 

[Schmooley]

Yeah I'm seeing this false equivalency a lot. Imagine Sandin = Byfield, lol.

"well from toronto it would be Robertson and Sandin, but the la prospects in those slots are Byfield and Clarke." Give me a break, Kypreos.

Yea maybe I overvalue Kings prospects a bit but that is much deeper into homer territory than anything we say on here and hes on television.

 

[kilowatt]

Yeah I'm seeing this false equivalency a lot. Imagine Sandin = Byfield, lol.

"well from toronto it would be Robertson and Sandin, but the la prospects in those slots are Byfield and Clarke." Give me a break, Kypreos.

Actual equivalents to Robertson and Sandin would probably be Fagemo and Bjornfot

 

[All The Kings Men]

Very fair. I'd like to see what the media scrum even looks like. Probably more of a fight over the soda fountain than over getting a quote.

Well... this is a tough one to address because I'd like to maintain positive relationships with them media as much as, if not more than,with the players... BUT...

With the exception of this past week when I've been out of town, I've been to almost every practice, game, postgame availability, preseason game, camp practice etc and the faces I see most frequently and consistently are the ones employed by the LA Kings/Ballys.

Interpret THAT as you will.

I'm reluctant to publicly share any further thoughts on the matter as I've already said things on social media that I regret so if you have any SPECIFIC questions about it... feel free to reach out to me privately and if I'm feeling silly I may answer a question or two.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

It is safe to say that Ovechkin is #1 from 25-35 feet out...it's possible Chychrun is #1 from 40 to 50 feet out...the year he had 18 goals, he was lethal from 40+ feet out.
It's like I feared when he had the puck 40+ feet out, the same way I feel when seeing a pass come across to Ovi on the PP.

Imagine having Arty on one side and Chychrun on the other. Best to have Durzi feeding them (or Tkachev, but won't happen, it seems) and seeing the PP go up 5%. (and Clarke feeding them soon) I think his overall game would round out better, with DD on his right...and possibly elevate Drew's game even a tad higher.

I would like to think Turcotte, one of Vilardi + Kupari, Grans + #1 2022 would be enough. Who could beat that? I am not down on Grans, but higher on Clarke and Faber.

 

[The Lukeman]

Well... this is a tough one to address because I'd like to maintain positive relationships with them media as much as, if not more than,with the players... BUT...

With the exception of this past week when I've been out of town, I've been to almost every practice, game, postgame availability, preseason game, camp practice etc and the faces I see most frequently and consistently are the ones employed by the LA Kings/Ballys.

Interpret THAT as you will.

I'm reluctant to publicly share any further thoughts on the matter as I've already said things on social media that I regret so if you have any SPECIFIC questions about it... feel free to reach out to me privately and if I'm feeling silly I may answer a question or two.

Somebody needs a burner account

 

[All The Kings Men]

Somebody needs a burner account

I have one but have never used it for fear that I may (definitely would) give myself away.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It is safe to say that Ovechkin is #1 from 25-35 feet out...it's possible Chychrun is #1 from 40 to 50 feet out...the year he had 18 goals, he was lethal from 40+ feet out.
It's like I feared when he had the puck 40+ feet out, the same way I feel when seeing a pass come across to Ovi on the PP.

Imagine having Arty on one side and Chychrun on the other. Best to have Durzi feeding them (or Tkachev, but won't happen, it seems) and seeing the PP go up 5%. (and Clarke feeding them soon) I think his overall game would round out better, with DD on his right...and possibly elevate Drew's game even a tad higher.

I would like to think Turcotte, one of Vilardi + Kupari, Grans + #1 2022 would be enough. Who could beat that? I am not down on Grans, but higher on Clarke and Faber.

Which is the sticking point for the Kings, of course. Someone like TO can gut their prospect pool for it and the Kings could still beat their offer...but should they? At some point, you're harming the future...but you don't know what that point is when you don't know what you have in these guys. But who can and will beat a Kings offer other than the Rangers (no real need), Ottawa (DEF no need with Chabot, Sanderson), maybe Detroit (ALSO no real need w Seider, Edvinsson, etc.)?

And then ....the Yotes don't HAVE to get rid of him so they're welcome to wait for whatever they want and they're right to ask for the world in the meantime, this isn't Eichel crying to get out. Make a strong offer and walk, no point in bending over backwards.

 

[Fishhead]

I'm reluctant to trade that much for a D-man that has had one good season, is chronically injured, and is on pace to shatter the single-season worst +/- record.

That's regardless of how he looks some nights. His 20-21 season is the outlier right now, not the norm. He's having the worst year of his career right now offensively. He's a great SAH guy, but if I'm paying those kind of prices I want someone established, not a risk.

 

[LAKings88]

If you’re dealing for a young all star, the picks are table stakes, especially if the first is lottery protected. Throwing fan favorites into a package is not an option IMO. Chycruns affordable contract increases the number of teams who are potential buyers. The best combination of blue chipper and roster player has the highest odds of winning a bidding war.

Vegas gave up their best prospect and a young 20 goal scorer and win the Eichel auction. For the Kings that’s one of Turcotte or Byfield and Kempe or Iafallo.

Not saying I’d do it but that would be my ask in a bidding war. I actually think Faber is going to be really good.

Eichel’s value was also hurt by his injury status. I think Vegas stole him “IF” he fully recovers.

Chychrun is that guy the Kings have been on the lookout for. I can’t see Dahlin or Sergachev becoming available. I also don’t know how much a crappy team is affecting his numbers. A bidding war is scary but the Kings can’t insert all these prospects anyway. I think they wil be reasonably in it until the end with Chychrun.

 

[KingLB]

Laughable that Sandin is the cost from the Leafs and for the Kings its Byfield. Hes a 3rd pairing dman right now that is closer to Anderson and Bjornfot than a recent 2nd overall with #1c potential.

Pretty much, sounds like leafs reporter blowing smoke up their…

 

[unicornpig]

I can’t see LA moving Byfield

My ask from Arizona would be:

Turcotte-Faber-1st and I’d say throw in Chromiak for good measure.

holy overpayment