The problem with your situation, ie Kubalik/Cernak is twofold, Kubalik had every chance to sign here, did not, can't help that, Cernak was traded and did not fulfill a hole, you are getting a 23 year old top pairing D back in any trade with Chycrun....depending on the price, as in most everything in life, it's a no brainer.....
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The problem with your situation, ie Kubalik/Cernak is twofold, Kubalik had every chance to sign here, did not, can't help that, Cernak was traded and did not fulfill a hole, you are getting a 23 year old top pairing D back in any trade with Chycrun....depending on the price, as in most everything in life, it's a no brainer.....
kilowatt
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People are so concerned with Clarke's stride technically that they can't see the forest for the trees. He's a good skater. He's quick, he's shifty, and he has decent straight-line speed. Vilardi's skating is a much bigger concern than Clarke's, though moving Vilardi to wing certainly reduces his skating issues.
Funny you mentioned Kubalik in this discussion. Nobody is missing him this year because he has as many points as Brown and less goals than Lemieux. Some players have a great year and fade away. Chychrun could have already had his big year. He could be a 20-30 point guy most years and not worth a first round pick much less additional prospects.
Steve Zissou
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Pretty far fetched considering he has burned The Kings EVERY DAMN TIME Arizona has played them. The dude is already a Kings killer.
With that said, don't sell the farm, but if the price drops (it is sounding like the price is way, way too high) and is fair for both sides, you make that trade.
He has more points against LA than any other team in his career. LA has been really bad for almost his entire career. The Chychrun Kings fans see isn't the player most other fans see.
You don't get Chychrun for this year though he is young enough to grow with this team. Given what other d around the league have been signing and re-signing for I think he is more of a bargain than overpaid.
Turcotte, Vilardi, Bjornfot/Walker sure. This is a great young player that addresses a major deficiency in the Kings.
Kubalik didn't want to be in LA anyway so I had no issue with him being dealt for peanuts instead of losing his rights for nothing.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
If Kupari is the prospect and Moore the everyday player going the other way for Chycrun, in addition to the picks, it’s a near automatic decision. The risk is the first if it’s not lottery protected. That’s a non zero probability for the Kings, so it gives pause. The Yahoo fantasy trade included a fourth also coming back, but that’s an inconsequential hedge.
With the injuries I think the cap hit can be easily absorbed this year. Of course the cap reserves accrue as we get closer to the deadline, but so does the bidding. Not positive if the Kings could dress Chycrun tomorrow without cutting roster players. And with the whole taxi squad stuff going on, who knows what is allowed under the rules any given day.
With Edler and Walker out of the picture any time soon, JC would be a major upgrade to the D corp. Giving Moore’s minutes to Kaliyev and Kupari’s to Byfield is super intriguing. The only wild card I can see is AA, but seriously, who cares about fitting him in when healthy. He could spell Covid casualties or Brown as needed.
Iafallo Kopitar Kempe
Kaliyev Danault Arvidsson
Turcotte Byfield Brown
Lemieux Lizotte Grundstrom
Lias AA (or Vilardi)
Chycrun Doughty
Bjornfot Roy
Anderson Durzi
Maata
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Cal
Ideally you even swap Grundstrom with Brown if AA is completely not available. You’d hope that Brown could excel with Lizotte playing limited minutes but defensively sound and mostly in the other teams end.
With that lineup Blake could legitimately say he has put his stamp on the team. His major moves have been deployed while retaining the legacy vets in optimal positions. I could see that making the playoffs in the west as a 7 seed. There’s still over 50% of the season left, so making hay before the deadline is achievable since the division is playing out kind of as expected.
With the injuries I think the cap hit can be easily absorbed this year. Of course the cap reserves accrue as we get closer to the deadline, but so does the bidding. Not positive if the Kings could dress Chycrun tomorrow without cutting roster players. And with the whole taxi squad stuff going on, who knows what is allowed under the rules any given day.
With Edler and Walker out of the picture any time soon, JC would be a major upgrade to the D corp. Giving Moore’s minutes to Kaliyev and Kupari’s to Byfield is super intriguing. The only wild card I can see is AA, but seriously, who cares about fitting him in when healthy. He could spell Covid casualties or Brown as needed.
Iafallo Kopitar Kempe
Kaliyev Danault Arvidsson
Turcotte Byfield Brown
Lemieux Lizotte Grundstrom
Lias AA (or Vilardi)
Chycrun Doughty
Bjornfot Roy
Anderson Durzi
Maata
Quick
Cal
Ideally you even swap Grundstrom with Brown if AA is completely not available. You’d hope that Brown could excel with Lizotte playing limited minutes but defensively sound and mostly in the other teams end.
With that lineup Blake could legitimately say he has put his stamp on the team. His major moves have been deployed while retaining the legacy vets in optimal positions. I could see that making the playoffs in the west as a 7 seed. There’s still over 50% of the season left, so making hay before the deadline is achievable since the division is playing out kind of as expected.
Problem is I think it cost a lot more than Kupari, Moore and a conditional 1st. I think Vilardi + a D need to be in there
BigKing
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It could also turn in to a situation where a guy doesn't amount to anything. Most of the prospects in the pool are not going to hit. A huge part of Blake's job is going to hinge on identifying the ones to trade for proven players.
Trading O'Sullivan was not really well-received on here and he is a guy that put up 53 points in 82 games the year before the trade. Kyle Quincey had a pretty awesome year for LA but then flipped right afterwards. Brayden Schenn was considered the top prospect in all of hockey when he was moved.
Point is that trading any of these kids is going to hurt because the whole lot of them are all-stars until they prove they aren't. There is no chance though that they all become difference makers and, at some point, one in the hand is worth two in the bush. Blake is going to have to make the right decisions when it comes to this and, again, this is why many of us say he hasn't done jack shit yet. Any of us can just draft players with multiple high draft picks: what do you do next?
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
I love the guy but Vilardi is a 2017 pick that played his way down to Ontario this season. His future is probably at wing but the Kings do have a logjam of center prospects anyways. If adding Vilardi to this Kupari/Moore deal is what it takes, I most likely don't have a problem with it. You still have Byfield/Turcotte/Clarke at the top of the prospect pool and you add a legit defenseman in an age range the Kings somewhat lack as the only 97/98 borns are Grundstrom/Lizotte/Lias/Durzi.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Between Chycrun, Kupari and Moore, the guy most likely to score 20 goals in a season in the next 5 years is the defenseman. With Vilardi, it’s less a given. We’ve seen his shot, so no one would be surprised if he potted 20g next year if playing top six minutes 70+ games, even on a shit team.
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Lets be real. Its been a concern on a good amount of scouting reports. And then it also begs the question did they leave him out of the tournament to f*** with him or maybe there was a legit reason?
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
Agree about Vilardi but you have to give to get.
While centers can be moved to wing, I think the writing has been on the wall since the Byfield pick that there is a good chance Blake will eventually be trading some of these center prospects to improve the team at other positions. Toss the Danault signing in there and it looks more obvious.
That's the point though: deal from a position of strength to shore up a weakness.
Sol
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so you're saying he's one expensive suit and spa day away from being the perfect prodigal son?
If his value is from offense, he isn't very valuable. He killed the terrible California teams last year, 25 points in 24 games. The rest of his career he is at 29 points over 82 games. Add in most players score less when playing for LA, he might break 20 points. There are much better players the Kings can trade for or sign in the off-season. Heck, maybe they move a right handed d to play the left side. Keep the picks and prospects to pick up a young winger or goalie.
If they tank this next year and next, they have a really good chance at landing two of Wright, Lambert, Michkov, or Bedard. They could easily land two stars just by virtue of ensuring they suck real bad. Meanwhile, Chychrun will be UFA before the Coyotes have a chance to be competitive.
I guess it makes sense, just seems like the same merry go round with them year after year.
yeah, keep in mind there are new lottery rules too that give the worst finishing team a greater chance at retaining the #1 overall pick. Since they're only drawing two balls now, less likely you'll drop very far... dropping one spot won't be a huge deal when the 2OA might be just as good if not better these next two drafts.
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Maybe playing the Kings so often last season is the reason why he had a big year. In 8 games last season he put up 3 goals and 5 assists for 8 points. Ate the Kings' penalty kill for lunch ( 3G, 3A on PP).
Steve Zissou
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Hopefully Brown isn't put back on the power play. The PP entries looked so much better without him fumbling the puck.
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Winning the cup this year is not a variable in making the trade for a young defenseman.
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