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2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III

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Bluenote13 said:
Right, but the idea was try to pick the player the Rangers will take, not necessarily who you like.

Timmins makes alot of sense, except his skating. If he were a great skater he would maybe sniff the top ten in this draft. He gets to where he's going just fine, but its not pretty.
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I'd take a chance on him. I personally just like his game, but I agree with the skating part.
 
Bluenote13 said:
The Rangers last 4 1st rounders were Kreider, Mcilrath, JT Miller, Skjei - they strayed a bit from the rankings on most of these, guessing who'll they'll pick is not easy.



We're a week away from round 1, lets try and pick the player you think the Rangers will pick, not necessarily the guy you'd want, here's my take:

Conor Timmins - He's a RHD that checks off so many boxes, but his skating is ugly.

Ryan Poehling - C/W who could be a good fit for the current young forwards on the team. Versatile, size, could be a David Backes type player in the Pro game.

Nic Hague - Big defender that projects to be more defensive despite some decent offensive numbers and a bomb from the point.

Isaac Ratcliffe - Huge winger that models his game after 'Rick Nash'.

Shane Bowers - Two way Center, headed to BU, future Captain material.

Sleeper - Joni Ikonen - Finnish right handed Centerman that plays for Hanks old club Frolunda of the Swedish league.

Super Sleeper - Adam Ruzicka - 6'4 210 Center that played well for Sarnia(ohl) in his first year in NA.
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im sure whom ever they take i will not like. lol

but man those names do nothing for me. at all.

if thats the case, trade down and gather extra picks.

i continue to believe that some one will drop and there will be a few surprises. one of the skating D men will be there and certainly someone with more offensive upside will be there at 21.
 
Bluenote13 said:
The Rangers last 4 1st rounders were Kreider, Mcilrath, JT Miller, Skjei - they strayed a bit from the rankings on most of these, guessing who'll they'll pick is not easy.



We're a week away from round 1, lets try and pick the player you think the Rangers will pick, not necessarily the guy you'd want, here's my take:

Conor Timmins - He's a RHD that checks off so many boxes, but his skating is ugly.

Ryan Poehling - C/W who could be a good fit for the current young forwards on the team. Versatile, size, could be a David Backes type player in the Pro game.

Nic Hague - Big defender that projects to be more defensive despite some decent offensive numbers and a bomb from the point.

Isaac Ratcliffe - Huge winger that models his game after 'Rick Nash'.

Shane Bowers - Two way Center, headed to BU, future Captain material.

Sleeper - Joni Ikonen - Finnish right handed Centerman that plays for Hanks old club Frolunda of the Swedish league.

Super Sleeper - Adam Ruzicka - 6'4 210 Center that played well for Sarnia(ohl) in his first year in NA.
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If those were the guys available I'd be trying to trade down to pick up a later 1st and a 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised if 5 of those guys anyway get picked in the 2nd.

Really I think someone is going to fall--whether it's Kostin, Brannstrom, Vesalainen, Necas, Liljegren, Vaakanainen or Andersson. Maybe two or three someone's. I also like Yamamoto but I don't think the Rangers are going to take him. Jokiharju? Norris is a player I like but not at 21. Same deal with Chytil and with Hague.
 
Bluenote13 said:
The Rangers last 4 1st rounders were Kreider, Mcilrath, JT Miller, Skjei - they strayed a bit from the rankings on most of these, guessing who'll they'll pick is not easy.



We're a week away from round 1, lets try and pick the player you think the Rangers will pick, not necessarily the guy you'd want, here's my take:

Conor Timmins - He's a RHD that checks off so many boxes, but his skating is ugly.

Ryan Poehling - C/W who could be a good fit for the current young forwards on the team. Versatile, size, could be a David Backes type player in the Pro game.

Nic Hague - Big defender that projects to be more defensive despite some decent offensive numbers and a bomb from the point.

Isaac Ratcliffe - Huge winger that models his game after 'Rick Nash'.

Shane Bowers - Two way Center, headed to BU, future Captain material.

Sleeper - Joni Ikonen - Finnish right handed Centerman that plays for Hanks old club Frolunda of the Swedish league.

Super Sleeper - Adam Ruzicka - 6'4 210 Center that played well for Sarnia(ohl) in his first year in NA.
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I'd throw Josh Norris on that list, too. I know people like Yamamoto, but, I just don't see him as a Ranger type of pick.
 
eco's bones said:
If those were the guys available I'd be trying to trade down to pick up a later 1st and a 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised if 5 of those guys anyway get picked in the 2nd.

Really I think someone is going to fall--whether it's Kostin, Brannstrom, Vesalainen, Necas, Liljegren, Vaakanainen or Andersson. Maybe two or three someone's. I also like Yamamoto but I don't think the Rangers are going to take him. Jokiharju? Norris is a player I like but not at 21. Same deal with Chytil and with Hague.
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Im a fan of Necas. I think he is top 10 for sure. He has a lot of playmaking ability, with excellent skating and a really good motor. I think he is an NHL'er for sure! Im praying he would fall.

I was looking at each NHL clubs first round selections dating back to 2010. I wanted to see if there were any patterns. There were. In that span only 3 drafts have Czech born players been selected in the first. Only 3 Teams have selected Czech born players. Devs, Bos, SJ. All of which pick before NYR.

Devs-Zacha, Zboril
Bruins- Pastrnik, Vrana
SJ- Hertl

I specifically was looking to see if a player like Necas could potentially fall due to clubs unwillingness to draft from certain Nationalities. There is evidence to support that certain teams have tendencies to draft Canadien, and US born players.

Coyotes- 7 Canadian, 2 US
Islanders- 7 Canadian, 2 US, 1 Swiss
Panthers- 5 Canadian, 1 Fin, 1 US
Flames- 5 Canadian, 1 US, 1 Swiss
Bruins- 5 Canadian, 2 US, 2 Czech
Car- 4 Canadian, 1 US, 1 Swede
Lightning- 4 Canadian, 1 US, 1 Russian
Leafs- 4 Canadian, 2 US, 1 Swedish
Jets- 3 Can, 3 US, 1 Fin, 1 Swedish
Red Wings- 3 Canadian, 1 US, 1 Russian
Blues- 2 Canadian, 2 US, 1 Russian
Kings - 1 Swedish, 1 Fin, 1 US
Sharks- 2 Swiss, 1 US, 1 Russian, 1 Czech
Sabres- 1 US, 1 Swede, 2 Canadian, 2 Fins, 2 Russians, 1 Latvian <--Sabres are like the United Nations!

With that said, and the lack of maybe some high end talent in this draft I don't think Necas would fall too far. Someone is going to grab him, but I could see him falling out of the top 10, and maybe even as far as the late teens. I don't think he would fall to 21.
 
TheKingsCourt said:
I tried this little gadget out, it was pretty cool. I only did a first round mock and Tolvanen fell into my lap at 21 and i chose him over Lias Andersson. I can only wish that that is our dilemma on draft night lol
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I did one where I traded back to get the 27th pick and an extra 7th, and still ended up with Brannstrom!! ;)
 
Bluenote13 said:
The Rangers last 4 1st rounders were Kreider, Mcilrath, JT Miller, Skjei - they strayed a bit from the rankings on most of these, guessing who'll they'll pick is not easy.



We're a week away from round 1, lets try and pick the player you think the Rangers will pick, not necessarily the guy you'd want, here's my take:

Conor Timmins - He's a RHD that checks off so many boxes, but his skating is ugly.

Ryan Poehling - C/W who could be a good fit for the current young forwards on the team. Versatile, size, could be a David Backes type player in the Pro game.

Nic Hague - Big defender that projects to be more defensive despite some decent offensive numbers and a bomb from the point.

Isaac Ratcliffe - Huge winger that models his game after 'Rick Nash'.

Shane Bowers - Two way Center, headed to BU, future Captain material.

Sleeper - Joni Ikonen - Finnish right handed Centerman that plays for Hanks old club Frolunda of the Swedish league.

Super Sleeper - Adam Ruzicka - 6'4 210 Center that played well for Sarnia(ohl) in his first year in NA.
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Timmins and Hague would be good at that spot. The others I wouldn't reach for. Ikonen is a toss-up.
 
Lion Hound said:
I was looking at each NHL clubs first round selections dating back to 2010. I wanted to see if there were any patterns. There were. In that span only 3 drafts have Czech born players been selected in the first. Only 3 Teams have selected Czech born players. Devs, Bos, SJ. All of which pick before NYR.

Devs-Zacha, Zboril
Bruins- Pastrnik, Vrana
SJ- Hertl
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Vrana is Capitals pick. Zboril is Boston pick. You forgot Radek Faksa who went #13 to Dallas in 2012.

Necas had dinner with people from Red Wings so Detroit is thought to be team to pick him. I can see him falling but probably not that far to 21.
 
I like JAD but i'd be kinda pissed if we grabbed him at #21...
No reason not to trade down if we want that kind of players, there's so many of them ranked in that same range, trade down to late 1st and i'm sure atleast 3 of them are still there.

And yes, i realise that i lump them all together when all of them aren't THAT similar but i think most of you know what i mean.

Edit: For those who don't, talking about those lower ceiling C's.
 
Lion Hound said:
What don't you like about Makar?
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I know you asked Toby, but let me give you my reasons why I don't want him with the 7th overall pick.

He has put up amazing numbers, sure. But I am a bit hesitant because it was in the AJHL. This isn't a kid who put up those numbers at major junior level where the best prospects play. That certainly has to be taken into account when judging him by the numbers.

Then he played his national team games in the World Junior A Challenge. Again, not the same as the level where the best prospects play pre-draft (Which is the u18 or u20 WJC).

I am not so much worried about his size because I feel the game is changing and smaller players seem to be better suited for NHL hockey now than 10 years ago. The constant focus on size over talent is what others have against Makar, but I feel that is not his issue. It's that he has not shown what he can do against the best. And now he is going to UMASS Amherst which isn't the best team either. There are just too many question marks when you are sitting there with the 7th overall pick and look at Makar
 
Bluenote13 said:
Hey AK, what if we had those same reservations about a scrawny 'untested' Brian Leetch in 86 ?
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I've had this talk before and someone mentioned Leetch. Unlike Makar, Leetch played against the best of his generation in the u20 WJC.

Playing in the AJHL, combined with him playing in the Junior A challenge instead of the u18 or u20 WJC just makes me a bit more cautious when drafting 7th overall. I am not saying Makar won't have a good NHL career. I am just not sure I want to go for him if I have the 7th OA pick
 
Pretty much what AK said, i just think he's getting way too hyped, usual NA bias hypemachine.

Yes, his tools look amazing, but he's playing against B-level juniors on a good team, he hasn't had to defend all season.

Seen some comparables from players drafted out of that league and it doesn't look pretty. I like him for the mid 1st round range, hate him at #7.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I know you asked Toby, but let me give you my reasons why I don't want him with the 7th overall pick.

He has put up amazing numbers, sure. But I am a bit hesitant because it was in the AJHL. This isn't a kid who put up those numbers at major junior level where the best prospects play. That certainly has to be taken into account when judging him by the numbers.

Then he played his national team games in the World Junior A Challenge. Again, not the same as the level where the best prospects play pre-draft (Which is the u18 or u20 WJC).

I am not so much worried about his size because I feel the game is changing and smaller players seem to be better suited for NHL hockey now than 10 years ago. The constant focus on size over talent is what others have against Makar, but I feel that is not his issue. It's that he has not shown what he can do against the best. And now he is going to UMASS Amherst which isn't the best team either. There are just too many question marks when you are sitting there with the 7th overall pick and look at Makar
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All good points. I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the pick, but I am a larger proponent of a few other players.

If 7OA, and this is a big if as a lot of the stars need to align to make a deal with Pho happen. But if they do, there are a couple of players that might here that I would want to see. I'm a Middlestadt fan. The combine pull thing doesn't bother me. If he played at the level he did already he should only get better when the Rangers add a strength and conditioning program to his training.

Also, there could also be Glass available with that pick. And my fav player right now in this draft which is Suzuki will likely be there.


Lastly, what an amazing draft it could be if they kept #21 and mr Brannstrom was still there.
 
I expect Hischier, Patrick and Vilardi to go with the first 3 picks. After that, it's a list of players that can be picked based on team needs.

Colorado? I can see them go for Makar and Heiskanen, reaching a bit to draft D
Vancouver and Vegas can go either way but if we somehow get 7OA, and Makar is on the board, I would pick Pettersson or Liljegren over him. Or trade down and grab Brannstrom. I don't see Brannstrom being there at 21, but who knows...

If we get Liljegren 7th OA, and Brannstrom 21st OA it would be absolutely amazing and set us up defensively for years.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I've had this talk before and someone mentioned Leetch. Unlike Makar, Leetch played against the best of his generation in the u20 WJC.

Playing in the AJHL, combined with him playing in the Junior A challenge instead of the u18 or u20 WJC just makes me a bit more cautious when drafting 7th overall. I am not saying Makar won't have a good NHL career. I am just not sure I want to go for him if I have the 7th OA pick
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I gotcha, he's definitely a draft wildcard for all the factors you listed, but eventually you have to take some risks regarding the draft. Especially this one.

With Makar its not so much his production and where/who he played against, it's his attributes, his fluid play and decision making, you rarely see that skilled mature game from the backend, he has confidence galore.

Fluid skater, tons of energy, element of surprise, kids got a lot to be excited about no matter where he's going to play.
 
Bluenote13 said:
I gotcha, he's definitely a draft wildcard for all the factors you listed, but eventually you have to take some risks regarding the draft. Especially this one.

With Makar its not so much his production and where/who he played against, it's his attributes, his fluid play and decision making, you rarely see that skilled mature game from the backend, he has confidence galore.

Fluid skater, tons of energy, element of surprise, kids got a lot to be excited about no matter where he's going to play.
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I just feel Liljegren would be a better pick than Makar, if both are on the board
 
Bluenote13 said:
I gotcha, he's definitely a draft wildcard for all the factors you listed, but eventually you have to take some risks regarding the draft. Especially this one.

With Makar its not so much his production and where/who he played against, it's his attributes, his fluid play and decision making, you rarely see that skilled mature game from the backend, he has confidence galore.

Fluid skater, tons of energy, element of surprise, kids got a lot to be excited about no matter where he's going to play.
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
I just feel Liljegren would be a better pick than Makar, if both are on the board
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This is where you have to trust your scouts, right? I mean, the kid could be Leetch... or he could be Rundblad. They get paid to know the difference.

Just don't take a McIlrath when a Tarasenko is available, and I'll be happy.
 
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