Joey Bones
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I see where you're coming from. Agreed on the Americans plus some others.
2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III
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I see where you're coming from. Agreed on the Americans plus some others.
Bluenote13
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Then I don't think you disagree, then.
Defense is suspect. IQ there is not developed yet.
He had problems with outlet passes, not playing defense.
He was very good with his stick and keeping the play to the outside, strong lower body strength.
**** me, didn't think it would be that bad. We used to be very high in this category.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Amazing Kreiderman is exactly right. But in addition to trading away 4 first round picks, a fifth first round pick was Cherapanov. And the Rangers also traded away 3rd round picks in 2007, 2010 and 2012. So in this ten year period the Rangers only had 20 of 30 top 3 picks plus the Cherapanov tragedy. So if you wanted to evaluate the Rangers success you would need to normalize the top picks they had against other teams. Given this normalization it is amazing that the Rangers did as well with players playing over 250 NHL games.
Although the Rangers did not draft them they also were successful in trading Scott Gomez for first round pick Ryan McDonagh and second round pick, Ethan Werek for Oscar Lindberg.
Although the Rangers did not draft them they also were successful in trading Scott Gomez for first round pick Ryan McDonagh and second round pick, Ethan Werek for Oscar Lindberg.
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And they added Vesey, Hayes, Talbot, Zuccarello and for the future Bereglazov and Pionk to the organization. All players who never played in the NHL before signing with us. That makes up for losing a bunch of those picks, yet doesn't show up in the list of numbers provided.
Bluenote13
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All that matters in the end is how this all affects how we stack up against the rest of the league, where most teams, even the ones who traded many 1st, 2nd, 3rds, also added free agents and made good trades.
The idea that because we signed some free agents and made good trades 'makes up' for trading away a boatload of draft picks is absurd. It helps cushion the blow, but makes up for it? Not buying that, not when other teams are also keeping their picks AND signing free agents.
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Here's Callan Foote from Redline, ISS, and Future Considerations.
ISS
ISS Ranking: #12
ISS Mock Draft: 8th overall- Buffalo Sabres
Foote is a big, steady and safe defender that just goes about his business very unassumingly. He is a tall ,lengthy defender that has a good stride and good mobility. He’s not overly flashy but he does have good skills, vision and passability from the back end..Very good on the PP and makes smart decisions on breakout and can quarterback a PP as he sees the ice and knows when to pass and shoot. He can handle bad passes and keeps puck in at blue lines with solid decisions. Imposing size, takes up a lot of space on the ice, very effective passer and see the ice very well. Would like to see more meanness in him, more grit and sandpaper to add to his game. Has all the attributes to be a top d in the NHL, patience, intelligence, size, good stick, smart passer and a mature steady game on both sides of the puck.
Dir. Of Scouting, DennisMacInnis | “Workhorse in all areas of the ice and a minute muncher that never seemsto become tired. Seems to relish playing against the opposing team's top lineâ€.
ISS Comparision : Dougie Hamilton
Redline:
Redline Ranking: #21
Redline Mock 1: #24 Columbus Blue Jackets
Redline Mock 2: #17 Toronto Maple Leafs
21. Cal Foote — Kelowna
Jumbo-sized defenceman with great bloodlines; unlike his father, Adam, he’s not naturally mean or aggressive, but rather plays a finesse, offensive-minded game and is very good starting the play in transition.Strong and surprisingly nimble skater. Very calm and collected with the puck. Outlets are right on the tape and always distributes to the right spots. While he’s not a big banger, does use his big frame to win puck battles. Also pins and seals well along the walls. Recognizes game situations well. Takes away time and space defensively with ex¬cellent stick placement. Determined competitor. Squares his shoulders up to puck carriers and funnels them outside. Has a hard, low point shot that generates lots of rebounds. Excellent passer with very good hockey sense. Closes gaps and separates his man from the puck well.
Projection: Big 2nd pairing d-man and PP triggerman.
Style compares to: Colton Parayko
Future Considerations:
FC RANKING #25
Foote is a big-framed, rangy,
smart defender with a
strong shot. The son of former NHLer Adam Foote, he
plays a traditional, steady, two-way game that first
and foremost keeps opponents honest in his own zone but
can also make a good first pass. Foote is a tad heavy footed
when skating forward however his backwards skating is
much better in both quickness and agility.
He moves well enough to not be beaten clean to pucks,
even by speedier forwards. He has an NHL frame and while
he isn’t a punishing player, he does use his size effectively to
defend the net and box out attackers. He is especially adept
at using his size and reach to break up the cycle game. He’s
not a perfect player at all times, as there are definitely lapses
to his game, but he always bounces right back and responds
by playing harder and working to shore up play in his own
end. He has a massive wing span and is good at closing gaps
on his defenders, using his physicality to not only eliminate
plays along the perimeter but also at the net front and in the
end boards too.
He plays to his strengths, which entails keeping himself in
an advantageous position defensively to read and square
up attackers so they aren’t on top of him before he can
react. He’s not a dynamic skill guy and rarely rushes the puck
from his own end, going often with the simple pass to a
forward to enter the neutral zone. At even strength you see
him play a more defensive oriented game where he’s really
conservative to join the play up ice until zone possession
is gained. Offensively, he is able to knock away breakout
attempts and is able to hold the blue line to his advantage.
He has great vision with the puck on the ice and is able to
find the open lanes for quick, crisp breakout passes. Foote
walks the line effectively trying to find the open lane for the
shot.
There’s nothing particularly wrong with Foote’s game, but
he does need to improve his mobility when it comes to
acceleration and agility. He is a large kid, with some heavy
boots, who takes a while to get going. While his defensive
game has progressed well, we were hoping for a lot more
progression (offensively) this season. He really struggled
with puck movement at the start of this season, at times not
even looking for his teammates, instead being content to
just drive it off the glass and out.
We saw plenty of flashes of his two-way ability last year but
this year he withdrew into more of a defensive shell. He
does plays all situations though and although we don’t see
a point-producer at the NHL level, we do see a player who
could potentially play middle pairing minutes if the footspeed
improves.
SCOUT’S QUOTE: “Not a real sexy pick but is a guy who can
clamp down defensively and kick in some offense at this
level. Not much to Foote’s dynamic side but he has the sense
to impact the game physically and move the puck up to his
forwards. A fairly safe bet to be a NHL plaer.â€
NHL POTENTIAL: Top-4 Defensive Defenseman
ISS
ISS Ranking: #12
ISS Mock Draft: 8th overall- Buffalo Sabres
Foote is a big, steady and safe defender that just goes about his business very unassumingly. He is a tall ,lengthy defender that has a good stride and good mobility. He’s not overly flashy but he does have good skills, vision and passability from the back end..Very good on the PP and makes smart decisions on breakout and can quarterback a PP as he sees the ice and knows when to pass and shoot. He can handle bad passes and keeps puck in at blue lines with solid decisions. Imposing size, takes up a lot of space on the ice, very effective passer and see the ice very well. Would like to see more meanness in him, more grit and sandpaper to add to his game. Has all the attributes to be a top d in the NHL, patience, intelligence, size, good stick, smart passer and a mature steady game on both sides of the puck.
Dir. Of Scouting, DennisMacInnis | “Workhorse in all areas of the ice and a minute muncher that never seemsto become tired. Seems to relish playing against the opposing team's top lineâ€.
ISS Comparision : Dougie Hamilton
Redline:
Redline Ranking: #21
Redline Mock 1: #24 Columbus Blue Jackets
Redline Mock 2: #17 Toronto Maple Leafs
21. Cal Foote — Kelowna
Jumbo-sized defenceman with great bloodlines; unlike his father, Adam, he’s not naturally mean or aggressive, but rather plays a finesse, offensive-minded game and is very good starting the play in transition.Strong and surprisingly nimble skater. Very calm and collected with the puck. Outlets are right on the tape and always distributes to the right spots. While he’s not a big banger, does use his big frame to win puck battles. Also pins and seals well along the walls. Recognizes game situations well. Takes away time and space defensively with ex¬cellent stick placement. Determined competitor. Squares his shoulders up to puck carriers and funnels them outside. Has a hard, low point shot that generates lots of rebounds. Excellent passer with very good hockey sense. Closes gaps and separates his man from the puck well.
Projection: Big 2nd pairing d-man and PP triggerman.
Style compares to: Colton Parayko
Future Considerations:
FC RANKING #25
Foote is a big-framed, rangy,
smart defender with a
strong shot. The son of former NHLer Adam Foote, he
plays a traditional, steady, two-way game that first
and foremost keeps opponents honest in his own zone but
can also make a good first pass. Foote is a tad heavy footed
when skating forward however his backwards skating is
much better in both quickness and agility.
He moves well enough to not be beaten clean to pucks,
even by speedier forwards. He has an NHL frame and while
he isn’t a punishing player, he does use his size effectively to
defend the net and box out attackers. He is especially adept
at using his size and reach to break up the cycle game. He’s
not a perfect player at all times, as there are definitely lapses
to his game, but he always bounces right back and responds
by playing harder and working to shore up play in his own
end. He has a massive wing span and is good at closing gaps
on his defenders, using his physicality to not only eliminate
plays along the perimeter but also at the net front and in the
end boards too.
He plays to his strengths, which entails keeping himself in
an advantageous position defensively to read and square
up attackers so they aren’t on top of him before he can
react. He’s not a dynamic skill guy and rarely rushes the puck
from his own end, going often with the simple pass to a
forward to enter the neutral zone. At even strength you see
him play a more defensive oriented game where he’s really
conservative to join the play up ice until zone possession
is gained. Offensively, he is able to knock away breakout
attempts and is able to hold the blue line to his advantage.
He has great vision with the puck on the ice and is able to
find the open lanes for quick, crisp breakout passes. Foote
walks the line effectively trying to find the open lane for the
shot.
There’s nothing particularly wrong with Foote’s game, but
he does need to improve his mobility when it comes to
acceleration and agility. He is a large kid, with some heavy
boots, who takes a while to get going. While his defensive
game has progressed well, we were hoping for a lot more
progression (offensively) this season. He really struggled
with puck movement at the start of this season, at times not
even looking for his teammates, instead being content to
just drive it off the glass and out.
We saw plenty of flashes of his two-way ability last year but
this year he withdrew into more of a defensive shell. He
does plays all situations though and although we don’t see
a point-producer at the NHL level, we do see a player who
could potentially play middle pairing minutes if the footspeed
improves.
SCOUT’S QUOTE: “Not a real sexy pick but is a guy who can
clamp down defensively and kick in some offense at this
level. Not much to Foote’s dynamic side but he has the sense
to impact the game physically and move the puck up to his
forwards. A fairly safe bet to be a NHL plaer.â€
NHL POTENTIAL: Top-4 Defensive Defenseman
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Tawnos
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Actually, I look at that and think we're doing pretty well, considering. The real issue is number of swings, not quality of drafting.
The number of players to play NHL games/play 100 NHL games is more a result of having a stable and successful team more than anything. It's been hard for lower level prospects to get a sniff at the roster for a long time. A player like Roman Horak was ultimately better off for having been traded. Ryan Bourque would've played a lot more games in the league if he was in a shallower organization.
It doesn't help our rankings in the lower game totals that our 2014 draft has yet to see a single player play in the NHL. We're only one of 4 teams in that boat. It's actually possible that our entire 2014 draft ends up being a miss. Shesterkin might be the only player we get out of it. We're also only one of 7 teams to not have a single game played from a 2015 draft pick.
Why is this? Because no first round picks. The vast majority of teams with at least a game played from 2014 and 2015 picks have gotten their 1st rounders into the lineup somewhere. 24 of 30 2015 1st rounders have played at least a game. 26 of 30 in 2014.
Bluenote13
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Tawnos
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Amazing Kreiderman
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There's more to the NHL than winning the Cup. This Cup-or-Bust mentality annoys me
Bluenote13
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Sather - "Our goal every year is to win the Cup."
Only the Marty St Louis trade got us close, the rest were failures.
Oscar Lindberg
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I've seen a couple user mock drafts that have us drafting Foote. I wouldn't be mad at that, but it would depend on how the rest of the round happens. I have other guys I would 100% prefer over him
Bluenote13
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I was there for the Eastern Conference banner unveiling on opening night of the 14-15 season. Might not be a cup banner, but only 1 team does that too.
Amazing Kreiderman
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I will say it again: There is more to hockey in the NHL than winning the Cup.
Just because we didn't win the Cup, doesn't mean the season is worthless. The memories I have from the 2012, 2014 and 2015 post-seasons are amazing.
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
These are all greats things for the fans, I am right there with you guys, but the discussion was not about 'how much fun everyone had'.
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There were no such banner raisings. Nor did Columbus, Tampa Bay or Arizona raise a banner for getting to make our first round picks.
The point is, the Rangers were close to their goal, so I think that justifies committing to those teams.
Bluenote13
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Tampa didn't raise an EC banner?
Either way, the original point....
All that matters in the end is how this all affects how we stack up against the rest of the league, where most teams, even the ones who traded many 1st, 2nd, 3rds, also added free agents and made good trades.
The idea that because we signed some free agents and made good trades 'makes up' for trading away a boatload of draft picks is absurd. It helps cushion the blow, but makes up for it? Not buying that, not when other teams are also keeping their picks AND signing free agents.
Bluenote13
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Robert Thomas
If the team sees them as equal, I'd take Yamamoto, skill over everything else at this point in round one.
