I'm very good with this but if we want Ikonen with our early pick then i'd definitely trade down a bit to add another pick.
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I'm very good with this but if we want Ikonen with our early pick then i'd definitely trade down a bit to add another pick.
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On #6 from Steve, i really don't see us only having five picks, i'm convinced we'll add atleast a couple picks before the draft (or during the draft). I like Ã…hman for the token mid/late round goalie pick.
I'd love for us to trade for the last pick in the draft and get Dylan St Cyr, he's just so much fun and good. Size is the obvious issue there but say he grows after the draft then you have a potential steal.
But really, i just want him because he's the most fun goalie to watch ever, plays like a 3rd D-man and is super athletic.
Trade for the last 2 picks in the draft and get St Cyr + Dhooghe and we have won the draft from en entertainment standpoint ;P
I'd love for us to trade for the last pick in the draft and get Dylan St Cyr, he's just so much fun and good. Size is the obvious issue there but say he grows after the draft then you have a potential steal.
But really, i just want him because he's the most fun goalie to watch ever, plays like a 3rd D-man and is super athletic.
Trade for the last 2 picks in the draft and get St Cyr + Dhooghe and we have won the draft from en entertainment standpoint ;P
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skating
puck smarts
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those 3 criteria matter most. love the euro slant to many of these takes. agree completely. thats where the gems will be found.
pass on fall back players who have 3rd line tweener written all over them. pass on 2 way "mature" types with leadership skills. pass on "huge or big body" plodding skaters who " get around ok". pass on safe.
grab the most talented offensive player available when we step up even if he's slightly undersized.
swing for the fences and stock the pond with kids who are creative and play uptempo.
look for a dman with some sizzle and a forward who can shoot it first ask questions later.
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those 3 criteria matter most. love the euro slant to many of these takes. agree completely. thats where the gems will be found.
pass on fall back players who have 3rd line tweener written all over them. pass on 2 way "mature" types with leadership skills. pass on "huge or big body" plodding skaters who " get around ok". pass on safe.
grab the most talented offensive player available when we step up even if he's slightly undersized.
swing for the fences and stock the pond with kids who are creative and play uptempo.
look for a dman with some sizzle and a forward who can shoot it first ask questions later.
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With all the draft talk, wanted to post this since he was talked about earlier.
I believe we got the UDFA defenders that they really wanted to get, but he was rumored to be a player the Rangers were interested in.
Have to wonder with the expansion talk of TVR + Taking Kruger to LVGK that Rutta was told he has a legit shot of being in the opening night lineup for them.
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I have to disagree on Mirageas, when he was traded to Chicago Steel he became their best all around dman, qualified for the playoffs for the first time in 9 years and won the Clark cup while he had 10 points and plus 7 in 14 games. His lower body strength is excellent, he just needs to be smarter with the puck in his own zone, which he showed in the postseason.
Thats a good mock on draftsite, pretty decent haul, I'm a fan of Phillips, he's an all around dman, skating got better this season and he's built like a Johnny pump.
O'Connell would make alot of sense too.
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Couldn't agree more, odc. We've passed on pure offensive talent way too often in the past 10 years. We don't need another JT Miller out of this draft. I'm high on Miller as a player, and he was a good pick where he was taken, but he's never going to take over a game. We need a player that breaks the system. One that you just can't game plan against. Give me a Yamamoto or Brannstrom.
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Rangers, Blackhawks and Maple Leafs... Look at how these 3 teams are poaching the best FAs from either the NCAA or Europe every year...
Panarin
van Riemsdyk
Rutta
Pionk
Vesey
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Bereglazov
Zaitsev
Borgman
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The below data is an analysis of the drafting success for the NY Rangers. Information draws from the 2007 through 2016 drafts, and includes rounds 1 through 7.
NYR Drafting success 2007-2016 Drafts.
#Players drafted : 61
Pittsburgh Penguins are the only club that drafted less (60)
#Players played NHL Games : 18
Lowest in the league
% Players drafted that played NHL Games 29.5%
Lowest in the League
#Players drafted that played 100 games : 8
Boston, Toronto, Vancouver are the only 3 teams with fewer. Habs, Pens all tied with 8.
#Players drafted that played 100 NHL Games : 13.10%
#Players drafted that played 250 Games : 6
Only 12 teams in this timeframe drafted more players to reach 250 games. (NYR need more swings at the plate, as they are successful here)
%Players drafted that played 250 games 9.80%
#Seasons played 66
Avg Seasons played 1.08
Total #of games played for drafted players: 3123
Average GP per drafted player 51.2
#Total points from NYR drafted players 1383
Avg point per season per drafted player 22.67
10th best in the league. Pretty good considering draft position is usually 15-30.
NYR Drafting success 2007-2016 Drafts.
#Players drafted : 61
Pittsburgh Penguins are the only club that drafted less (60)
#Players played NHL Games : 18
Lowest in the league
% Players drafted that played NHL Games 29.5%
Lowest in the League
#Players drafted that played 100 games : 8
Boston, Toronto, Vancouver are the only 3 teams with fewer. Habs, Pens all tied with 8.
#Players drafted that played 100 NHL Games : 13.10%
#Players drafted that played 250 Games : 6
Only 12 teams in this timeframe drafted more players to reach 250 games. (NYR need more swings at the plate, as they are successful here)
%Players drafted that played 250 games 9.80%
#Seasons played 66
Avg Seasons played 1.08
Total #of games played for drafted players: 3123
Average GP per drafted player 51.2
#Total points from NYR drafted players 1383
Avg point per season per drafted player 22.67
10th best in the league. Pretty good considering draft position is usually 15-30.
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So it appears to me that all your stats point to our players that do make it being valuable guys, based on high GP and PPG, at least compared to other teams that draft in our range.
Honestly, it's not surprising, since most of our high-end talent have been UFAs/trades, pushing our own draftees down the lineup and eliminating marginal players from even getting a shot at the big club. Our teams have largely been deep, yet devoid of truly elite talent, as those guys never make it to the open market
Honestly, it's not surprising, since most of our high-end talent have been UFAs/trades, pushing our own draftees down the lineup and eliminating marginal players from even getting a shot at the big club. Our teams have largely been deep, yet devoid of truly elite talent, as those guys never make it to the open market
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I didn't realize it was a quiz. I cheated.
Duclair has played 287 games, Buchnevich not far behind with 266
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I don't know how much I agree with this from a Devils standpoint. McLeod was seen as riding shotgun to Nylander, but it's worked out well. Bastian rode shotgun to those two and he's disappointed. Then you have Joey Anderson who rode shotgun to Keller and Bellows and he had one of the best freshman seasons in the NCAA!
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I concur on making sure the guys you draft skate very well. I think the Rangers have a strong tendency to do that anyway. Our identity as a speed team didn't come out of nowhere. Sometimes that means you don't take guys who've gotten a lot of push as potential 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks.
I don't have a problem with drafting Europeans but I do have a problem with drafting Europeans just because they're Europeans. Teams have lists--you draft who you think are the best players from the list you've made regardless of where they come from. It's the only way and yeah they should be really good skaters.
I don't have a problem with drafting Europeans but I do have a problem with drafting Europeans just because they're Europeans. Teams have lists--you draft who you think are the best players from the list you've made regardless of where they come from. It's the only way and yeah they should be really good skaters.
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I do not follow prospects, but my 2 cents regarding Slovak prospects. These are the players I read Rangers scouts talking about or heard of them from people who work in junior hockey here
Adam Ruzicka - considered as potential first round talent before the season, but he fell in the rankings during the season, solid rookie OHL season, big skilled center, did not have very good U18 and U20, but he probably goes in 2nd or 3rd round.
Samuel Bucek - had great start to the season, got injured before U20 and then fell of a cliff, had 25 points in 29 games in January, ended the season with 33 in 52.
Marian Studenic - OK OHL season, was disappointed with his WJCH performance
Filip Krivosik - he had some conversations with Boston, Edmonton scouts before U18 WCH, Oto Hascak mentioned him as someone who will probably be drafted
Patrik Hrehorcak - very good U18 WCH
Jakub Lacka - do not know much about the guy
Martin Bodak - already mentioned here couple of times, quietly solid in WJCH, got some Liiga games this year
Martin Kupec - heard this guy got some interest for his play in U18 WCH
Milos Fafrak, Juraj Sklenar - read something about them but slim chance they get drafted
Dominik Lakatos - 20 years old, Czech, he had great postseason in Extraliga, teammate of Radim Simek, played under Filip Pesan
Adam Ruzicka - considered as potential first round talent before the season, but he fell in the rankings during the season, solid rookie OHL season, big skilled center, did not have very good U18 and U20, but he probably goes in 2nd or 3rd round.
Samuel Bucek - had great start to the season, got injured before U20 and then fell of a cliff, had 25 points in 29 games in January, ended the season with 33 in 52.
Marian Studenic - OK OHL season, was disappointed with his WJCH performance
Filip Krivosik - he had some conversations with Boston, Edmonton scouts before U18 WCH, Oto Hascak mentioned him as someone who will probably be drafted
Patrik Hrehorcak - very good U18 WCH
Jakub Lacka - do not know much about the guy
Martin Bodak - already mentioned here couple of times, quietly solid in WJCH, got some Liiga games this year
Martin Kupec - heard this guy got some interest for his play in U18 WCH
Milos Fafrak, Juraj Sklenar - read something about them but slim chance they get drafted
Dominik Lakatos - 20 years old, Czech, he had great postseason in Extraliga, teammate of Radim Simek, played under Filip Pesan
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Button released his rankings... Makar at #3, Brannstrom #19, Tippett #23!!!
Here is TSN Hockey's Top 30. For the full list of 105 players, go to tsn.ca/craigslist on TSN.ca and TSN's mobile site:
1. Nico Hischier, C, Halifax (QMJHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 176 S: L
GP: 57 G: 38 P: 86 PIM: 24
2. Nolan Patrick, C, Brandon (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 198 S: R
GP: 33 G: 20 P: 46 PIM: 36
3. Cale Makar, D, Brooks (AJHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 180 SH: R
GP: 54 G: 24 P: 75 PIM: 18
4. Cody Glass, C, Portland (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 178 S: R
GP: 69 G: 32 P: 94 PIM: 36
5. Miro Heiskanen, D, HIFK (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-0 WT: 170 S: L
GP: 37 G: 5 P: 10 PIM: 4
6. Gabe Vilardi, C, Windsor (OHL)
HT: 6-3 WT: 201 S: R
GP: 49 G: 29 P: 61 PIM: 12
7. Martin Necas, C, Brno (CZE)
HT: 6-0 WT: 167 S: R
GP: 41 G: 7 P: 15 PIM: 6
8. Elias Pettersson, C, Timra (SWE-Als)
HT: 6-2 WT: 161 S: L
GP: 43 G: 19 P: 41 PIM: 14
9. Casey Mittelstadt, C, Green Bay (USHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 201 S: L
GP: 25 G: 21 P: 64 PIM: 8
10. Timothy Liljegren, D, Rogle (SWE)
HT: 6-0 WT: 191 SH: R
GP: 19 G: 1 P: 5 PIM: 4
11. Nick Suzuki, RW, Owen Sound (OHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 183 S: R
GP: 65 G: 45 P: 96 PIM: 10
12. Ryan Poehling, C, St. Cloud State (NCAA)
HT: 6-2 WT: 183 S: L
GP: 35 G: 7 P: 13 PIM: 12
13. Pierre-Olivier Joseph, D, Charlottetown (QMJHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 161 S: L
GP: 62 G: 6 P: 39 PIM: 54
14. Cal Foote, D, Kelowna (WHL)
HT: 6-4 WT: 210 S: R
GP: 71 G: 6 P: 57 PIM: 41
15. Eeli Tolvanen, RW, Sioux City (USHL)
HT: 5-10 WT: 170 S: L
GP: 52 G: 30 P: 54 PIM: 26
16. Kailer Yamamoto, RW, Spokane (WHL)
HT: 5-8 WT: 153 S: R
GP: 65 G: 42 P: 99 PIM: 46
17. Juuso Valimaki, D, Tri-City (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 204 S: L
GP: 60 G: 19 P: 61 PIM: 34
18. Lias Andersson, C, HV71 (SHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 198 S: L
GP: 42 G: 9 P: 19 PIM: 18
19. Erik Brannstrom, D, HV71 Jr. (SWE-J20)
HT: 5-10 WT: 173 S: L
GP: 19 G: 9 P: 23 PIM: 18
20. Filip Chytil, LW, Zlin (CZE Jr.)
HT: 6-0 WT: 178 S: L
GP: 38 G: 4 P: 8 PIM: 16
21. Michael Rasmussen, C, Tri-City (WHL)
HT: 6-6 WT: 215 S: L
GP: 50 G: 32 P: 55 PIM: 50
22. Alexei Lipanov, C, Balashikha (MHL)
HT: 6-0 WT: 165 S: L
GP: 21 G: 3 P: 8 PIM: 8
23. Owen Tippett, RW, Mississauga (OHL)
HT: 6-0 WT: 200 S: R
GP: 60 G: 44 P: 75 PIM: 36
24. Klim Kostin, RW, Moscow (KHL)
HT: 6-3 WT: 196 b L
GP: 9 G: 1 P: 1 PIM: 4
25. Josh Norris, C, USA NTDP (USHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 192 S: L
GP: 52 G: 23 P: 51 PIM: 34
26. Kristian Vesalainen, LW, HPK (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-3 WT: 207 S: L
GP: 26 G: 1 P: 6 PIM: 2
27. Aleksei Heponiemi, C, Swift Current (WHL)
HT: 5-10 WT: 147 S: L
GP: 72 G: 28 P: 86 PIM: 18
28. Shane Bowers, C, Waterloo (USHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 183 S: L
GP: 60 G: 22 P: 51 PIM: 20
29. Jake Oettinger, G, Boston U (NCAA)
HT: 6-4 WT: 212 C: L
GP: 35 GAA: 2.11 SV%: .927
30. Conor Timmins, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 185 S: R
GP: 67 G: 7 P: 61 PIM: 69
31. Urho Vaakanainen, D, Jyvaskala (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-0 WT: 185 S: L
GP: 41 G: 2 P: 6 PIM: 12
Here is TSN Hockey's Top 30. For the full list of 105 players, go to tsn.ca/craigslist on TSN.ca and TSN's mobile site:
1. Nico Hischier, C, Halifax (QMJHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 176 S: L
GP: 57 G: 38 P: 86 PIM: 24
2. Nolan Patrick, C, Brandon (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 198 S: R
GP: 33 G: 20 P: 46 PIM: 36
3. Cale Makar, D, Brooks (AJHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 180 SH: R
GP: 54 G: 24 P: 75 PIM: 18
4. Cody Glass, C, Portland (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 178 S: R
GP: 69 G: 32 P: 94 PIM: 36
5. Miro Heiskanen, D, HIFK (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-0 WT: 170 S: L
GP: 37 G: 5 P: 10 PIM: 4
6. Gabe Vilardi, C, Windsor (OHL)
HT: 6-3 WT: 201 S: R
GP: 49 G: 29 P: 61 PIM: 12
7. Martin Necas, C, Brno (CZE)
HT: 6-0 WT: 167 S: R
GP: 41 G: 7 P: 15 PIM: 6
8. Elias Pettersson, C, Timra (SWE-Als)
HT: 6-2 WT: 161 S: L
GP: 43 G: 19 P: 41 PIM: 14
9. Casey Mittelstadt, C, Green Bay (USHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 201 S: L
GP: 25 G: 21 P: 64 PIM: 8
10. Timothy Liljegren, D, Rogle (SWE)
HT: 6-0 WT: 191 SH: R
GP: 19 G: 1 P: 5 PIM: 4
11. Nick Suzuki, RW, Owen Sound (OHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 183 S: R
GP: 65 G: 45 P: 96 PIM: 10
12. Ryan Poehling, C, St. Cloud State (NCAA)
HT: 6-2 WT: 183 S: L
GP: 35 G: 7 P: 13 PIM: 12
13. Pierre-Olivier Joseph, D, Charlottetown (QMJHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 161 S: L
GP: 62 G: 6 P: 39 PIM: 54
14. Cal Foote, D, Kelowna (WHL)
HT: 6-4 WT: 210 S: R
GP: 71 G: 6 P: 57 PIM: 41
15. Eeli Tolvanen, RW, Sioux City (USHL)
HT: 5-10 WT: 170 S: L
GP: 52 G: 30 P: 54 PIM: 26
16. Kailer Yamamoto, RW, Spokane (WHL)
HT: 5-8 WT: 153 S: R
GP: 65 G: 42 P: 99 PIM: 46
17. Juuso Valimaki, D, Tri-City (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 204 S: L
GP: 60 G: 19 P: 61 PIM: 34
18. Lias Andersson, C, HV71 (SHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 198 S: L
GP: 42 G: 9 P: 19 PIM: 18
19. Erik Brannstrom, D, HV71 Jr. (SWE-J20)
HT: 5-10 WT: 173 S: L
GP: 19 G: 9 P: 23 PIM: 18
20. Filip Chytil, LW, Zlin (CZE Jr.)
HT: 6-0 WT: 178 S: L
GP: 38 G: 4 P: 8 PIM: 16
21. Michael Rasmussen, C, Tri-City (WHL)
HT: 6-6 WT: 215 S: L
GP: 50 G: 32 P: 55 PIM: 50
22. Alexei Lipanov, C, Balashikha (MHL)
HT: 6-0 WT: 165 S: L
GP: 21 G: 3 P: 8 PIM: 8
23. Owen Tippett, RW, Mississauga (OHL)
HT: 6-0 WT: 200 S: R
GP: 60 G: 44 P: 75 PIM: 36
24. Klim Kostin, RW, Moscow (KHL)
HT: 6-3 WT: 196 b L
GP: 9 G: 1 P: 1 PIM: 4
25. Josh Norris, C, USA NTDP (USHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 192 S: L
GP: 52 G: 23 P: 51 PIM: 34
26. Kristian Vesalainen, LW, HPK (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-3 WT: 207 S: L
GP: 26 G: 1 P: 6 PIM: 2
27. Aleksei Heponiemi, C, Swift Current (WHL)
HT: 5-10 WT: 147 S: L
GP: 72 G: 28 P: 86 PIM: 18
28. Shane Bowers, C, Waterloo (USHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 183 S: L
GP: 60 G: 22 P: 51 PIM: 20
29. Jake Oettinger, G, Boston U (NCAA)
HT: 6-4 WT: 212 C: L
GP: 35 GAA: 2.11 SV%: .927
30. Conor Timmins, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 185 S: R
GP: 67 G: 7 P: 61 PIM: 69
31. Urho Vaakanainen, D, Jyvaskala (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-0 WT: 185 S: L
GP: 41 G: 2 P: 6 PIM: 12
Some wonky stuff in there, Makar at #3, Poehling at #12 and POJ at #13 jumps out but otherwise a pretty solid list imo.
One of the better rankings i've seen, i obviously don't agree with it but it's decent
One of the better rankings i've seen, i obviously don't agree with it but it's decent
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Some wonky stuff in there, Makar at #3, Poehling at #12 and POJ at #13 jumps out but otherwise a pretty solid list imo.
One of the better rankings i've seen, i obviously don't agree with it but it's decent
The more these rankings are released the more I think we will see a very active draft. Players falling, potential trades, etc.
Everything after the top 2 seems to be a crap shoot, i think every team will have completely different lists all the way down.
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You're right. However, I think they havent done all that well with CHL picks no matter how great they've been in junior. There is no significant CHL imprint on the current team, and the guys who are ex-CHLers are either old, expensive or both. There are some CHL guys I like in the later rounds - Max Martin, Conor Gutenberg, maybe the overager Tyler Steenbergen or Patrick Bajkov.
i think the Americans they will target are definitely Norris, Mismash, Reedy, Gildon, Knoepke, Poehling, and then in the later rounds Mirageas, Brickey, Rathbone, Isaac Johnson, maybe even the Minnesota overager Leivermann.
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Lacka and Hrehorcak were linemates for Trinec. Neither is big but both dynamic with the puck. Studenic is a real sleeper. has game-breaking ability. A good gamble in the 6th or 7th.
Ruzicka had a great second half considering he was a rookie import on a defensive-minded team. He looked good against the lesser teams at the U18s but drew too many tough matchups against the powerhouses.
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Then I don't think you disagree, then.
Defense is suspect. IQ there is not developed yet.
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