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2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III

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eco's bones said:
To get either Brannstrom or Makar I think the Rangers are going to have to move up from 21.
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IMO, no way either gets to #21.

Amazing Kreiderman said:
I still think Makar will drop due to him putting up his numbers in the AJHL.
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It's not often a dman is one of the best scorers in that league, and he also lit up the Junior A tourney twice, scouts are drooling over him.


“It’s not often when you have a defenseman who is one of the best scorers and players in the league (Makar had 21-54-75 totals in 54 games for Brooks). That causes you to take notice,†said Marr. “There’s no formula to preparing the players from the different leagues, from the NCAA to junior ranks and Tier II ranks. One of the telling signs is that when you have an elite player like that, they give you the same game no matter who they’re playing against. He doesn’t just take off against the weaker teams. He’s consistently good at every level. … All the NHL teams knew he was a player to focus on this year.†- Dan Marr, Director of NHL Central Scouting

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...t_cale_makar_likely_to_be_high_nhl_draft_pick
 
Bluenote13 said:
IMO, no way either gets to #21.



It's not often a dman is one of the best scorers in that league, and he also lit up the Junior A tourney twice, scouts are drooling over him.


“It’s not often when you have a defenseman who is one of the best scorers and players in the league (Makar had 21-54-75 totals in 54 games for Brooks). That causes you to take notice,†said Marr. “There’s no formula to preparing the players from the different leagues, from the NCAA to junior ranks and Tier II ranks. One of the telling signs is that when you have an elite player like that, they give you the same game no matter who they’re playing against. He doesn’t just take off against the weaker teams. He’s consistently good at every level. … All the NHL teams knew he was a player to focus on this year.†- Dan Marr, Director of NHL Central Scouting

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...t_cale_makar_likely_to_be_high_nhl_draft_pick
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I agree with that, but I just don't see Makar being picked in the top-5 or even top-10. I think he goes somewhere around 15-20, still before we get to pick
 
Bluenote13 said:
IMO, no way either gets to #21.



It's not often a dman is one of the best scorers in that league, and he also lit up the Junior A tourney twice, scouts are drooling over him.


“It’s not often when you have a defenseman who is one of the best scorers and players in the league (Makar had 21-54-75 totals in 54 games for Brooks). That causes you to take notice,†said Marr. “There’s no formula to preparing the players from the different leagues, from the NCAA to junior ranks and Tier II ranks. One of the telling signs is that when you have an elite player like that, they give you the same game no matter who they’re playing against. He doesn’t just take off against the weaker teams. He’s consistently good at every level. … All the NHL teams knew he was a player to focus on this year.†- Dan Marr, Director of NHL Central Scouting

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...t_cale_makar_likely_to_be_high_nhl_draft_pick
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More importantly, use your voodoo magic. Who's the Pesce/Slavin in this draft?
 
I kinda like Calle Själin too, not fancy at all just overall solid, good skater with good size. One of the youngest players eligable in this draft.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I still think Makar will drop due to him putting up his numbers in the AJHL.
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Makar I think is top 10--some chance he makes it top 5. If I were to guess Heiskanen will be the first D to be drafted and Makar will be the second D drafted and the second D being drafted in any draft is going to be well before 21.

The AJHL is a very good league and Makar could easily play in the WHL. It's a college feeder league and I wouldn't necessarily subtract points because a prospect was playing in that league. A New England prep (like Kreider played for) school or an American high school would make me wonder a lot more than any of the AJHL, BCHL or USHL leagues.
 
Mac n Gs said:
More importantly, use your voodoo magic. Who's the Pesce/Slavin in this draft?
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I agree with the Salo mention, he's got some Teppo Numminen two way play to his game, though watching him play in the tourney's always wanted him to step up more, but he played well and his size, skating and stick are all above average. That windup he has is deadly if he used it more.

Here are some others off the top of my head....

Gustav Lindstrom, 6'2 190 RH dman, skilled, physically mature, I'd take him in later rounds hoping he puts it all together once he catches up to his body.

Reilly Walsh, 5'11 180 RH dman, Excellent skater, nice set of hands, headed to Harvard, could be their captain someday.

Cam Crotty, 6'3, 182 RH dman, good skater, smart defensively, if he developes some offense he'll be a player, headed to Boston U.

Max Gildon, 6'3 190 LH dman, big kid who came on 2nd half of the year, his improvement should bump him up in the draft, 2nd round, early 3rd i'd guess, headed to U of New Hampshire.

Mikey Anderson, 6'0 199 LH dman, Brother of last years Devil 3rd rounder Joey Anderson, two way defender.

Ben Mirageas 6'1 180 LH dman, smart defensive game, product of Avon old farms, headed to Providence College.

Mario Ferraro 5'11 185 LH dman, nice offensive instincts and for his size he doesn't shy away from rough stuff, headed to UMass.

Will Warm 5'11 180 RH dman, Became the Oil kings(whl) #1 Dman playing in all situations as a rookie, got better every month of the season.

Otto Latvalla 6'5 190 RH dman, huge kid, won't be 18 until mid July, good puck skills for someone this size, good experience this season internationally.


ManUtdTobbe said:
I kinda like Calle Själin too, not fancy at all just overall solid, good skater with good size. One of the youngest players eligable in this draft.
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Calle Sjalin is also a good pick for later rounds as well.
 
Bluenote, you're awesome as always. I'll go look into these guys when I get a chance. I've liked Walsh and Gildon after watching them before, but some of those other guys sound interesting. I know Steve likes Ferraro. Crotty sounda intriguing too
 
Pretty busy lately but here are some thoughts.

1) The combine means nothing. Waste of time. But there's a demand for it, so I play along. There are HS valedictorians who become drug dealers in college. There are burnouts in HS that end up owning corporations. The most lazy, selfish puck hogs as teenagers went on to become stars in the NHL. The onus is on the team to develop them as kids, inspire them, make them try to be better than they already are.

The interviews are somewhat of a joke. These kids give canned answers anyway. They're not going admit they have a cokehead dad or a psycho possessive girlfriend. The scouts find that out a week or two into the season, and when they ask about it, they say what their agent tells them to.

2) The Rangers will end up with a good player at 21, but this isn't a make-or-break draft. There will be kids who drop into the 4th or later for BS reasons -- grab them. They need skilled possession drivers up front, that's why I had them take Ikonen and Shvyryov in the mock draft. Both players run their respective team's attack. No more two-way, character guys or overagers who plateaued. They need guys other teams hate playing against. Norris, Mismash are other options I like. I think Reedy falls because of the U18 drama, so if he's there in the 4th, grab him.

3) Skating in a big deal. Meier, Crouse and Strome were the three top players from 2015 with so-so skating, and not one has been able to make an impact while most notable, faster picks that year are already studs. Don't draft a slow forward. Robertson, Gadjovich, Gallant, Macauley Carson, Matt Strome -- these slow kids feasted on a weak OHL year. In fact, avoid most CHL forwards if you can. It was a down year for major junior. No first-year draft eligibles on Team Canada at the WJC, first Hlinka loss in almost a decade and a terrible showing at the U18 worlds. 1999 wasn't supposed to be a good year group and it shows.

4) Avoid kids who rode shotgun. Gadjovich, Dolan, Comtois, Lind, Henry, Guttman etc. Look for the kids that make others better and need no help to make plays or did a lot in reduced minutes -- Norris, Morand, Chytil, Thomas, Lodnia, Yamamoto, Isaac Johnson, Boudrias etc.

5) On defense, look at guys like Scooter Brickey, Kasper Kotkansalo, Radim Salda, Calle Sjalin, Ben Mirageas, Leon Gawanke, Nate Knoepke and Jakub Galvas. Saku Vestertainen is underrated. Barely played because of Charlottetown's deep blue line but made the most of his minutes. Mario Ferraro is no longer a sleeper because he smoked everyone's bags at the combine, but he's fun to watch and can hammer the puck. Max Gildon too. Reilly Walsh and Clayton Phillips are good late-round options.

6) Don't draft a goalie. You only have five picks. You can still find a good one late but if they really want one, trade a 6th for two 7ths (Philly and SJ has 3, Boston and Jets have 2).
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
That's a very good write up on Brännström actually, which means they have seen him plenty, which makes it weird that they go with Karlsson/Letang as comparisons but whatever :D

I'll add to that with this, his gap control is excellent, uses his skating very well defensively to make up for his lack of reach and overall size.

Also, offensively his movement off the puck is insanely good, always open in the OZone and he's very good at getting pucks to the net.
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Brannstrom would draw comparisons to Leetch if we drafted him. Unlike this new generation, he is a bit more old school like Leetch, Coffey and co when rushing the puck. He plans ahead and really goes for rushing the puck, and he is phenomenal at it. Much more mobile than Vatanen.
 
I hope all the talk of the team getting younger also includes acquiring more picks in this draft

I'm praying a guy like Lipanov is available when the Rangers pick in the 4th, doubtful but you never know

Also, Steve great work as always
 
Steve Kournianos said:
Pretty busy lately but here are some thoughts.

1) The combine means nothing. Waste of time. But there's a demand for it, so I play along. There are HS valedictorians who become drug dealers in college. There are burnouts in HS that end up owning corporations. The most lazy, selfish puck hogs as teenagers went on to become stars in the NHL. The onus is on the team to develop them as kids, inspire them, make them try to be better than they already are.

The interviews are somewhat of a joke. These kids give canned answers anyway. They're not going admit they have a cokehead dad or a psycho possessive girlfriend. The scouts find that out a week or two into the season, and when they ask about it, they say what their agent tells them to.

2) The Rangers will end up with a good player at 21, but this isn't a make-or-break draft. There will be kids who drop into the 4th or later for BS reasons -- grab them. They need skilled possession drivers up front, that's why I had them take Ikonen and Shvyryov in the mock draft. Both players run their respective team's attack. No more two-way, character guys or overagers who plateaued. They need guys other teams hate playing against. Norris, Mismash are other options I like. I think Reedy falls because of the U18 drama, so if he's there in the 4th, grab him.

3) Skating in a big deal. Meier, Crouse and Strome were the three top players from 2015 with so-so skating, and not one has been able to make an impact while most notable, faster picks that year are already studs. Don't draft a slow forward. Robertson, Gadjovich, Gallant, Macauley Carson, Matt Strome -- these slow kids feasted on a weak OHL year. In fact, avoid most CHL forwards if you can. It was a down year for major junior. No first-year draft eligibles on Team Canada at the WJC, first Hlinka loss in almost a decade and a terrible showing at the U18 worlds. 1999 wasn't supposed to be a good year group and it shows.

4) Avoid kids who rode shotgun. Gadjovich, Dolan, Comtois, Lind, Henry, Guttman etc. Look for the kids that make others better and need no help to make plays or did a lot in reduced minutes -- Norris, Morand, Chytil, Thomas, Lodnia, Yamamoto, Isaac Johnson, Boudrias etc.

5) On defense, look at guys like Scooter Brickey, Kasper Kotkansalo, Radim Salda, Calle Sjalin, Ben Mirageas, Leon Gawanke, Nate Knoepke and Jakub Galvas. Saku Vestertainen is underrated. Barely played because of Charlottetown's deep blue line but made the most of his minutes. Mario Ferraro is no longer a sleeper because he smoked everyone's bags at the combine, but he's fun to watch and can hammer the puck. Max Gildon too. Reilly Walsh and Clayton Phillips are good late-round options.

6) Don't draft a goalie. You only have five picks. You can still find a good one late but if they really want one, trade a 6th for two 7ths (Philly and SJ has 3, Boston and Jets have 2).
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I agree with this and 1000000% agree with bolded #4, however, I think Anderson-Dolan can be a good threat on his own.
 
Great post SK. Definitely agree all the way on speed up front. Size is a flaw, NHL teams haven't adjusted, is a statement that probably is more true than not.

Good point on forwards running shotgun, but sometimes these guys tag a long a bit too. I haven't followed the track record from like the CHL, is your experience that it's a net loss anyway?
 
Bluenote13 said:
I agree with the Salo mention, he's got some Teppo Numminen two way play to his game, though watching him play in the tourney's always wanted him to step up more, but he played well and his size, skating and stick are all above average. That windup he has is deadly if he used it more.

Here are some others off the top of my head....

Gustav Lindstrom, 6'2 190 RH dman, skilled, physically mature, I'd take him in later rounds hoping he puts it all together once he catches up to his body.

Reilly Walsh, 5'11 180 RH dman, Excellent skater, nice set of hands, headed to Harvard, could be their captain someday.

Cam Crotty, 6'3, 182 RH dman, good skater, smart defensively, if he developes some offense he'll be a player, headed to Boston U.

Max Gildon, 6'3 190 LH dman, big kid who came on 2nd half of the year, his improvement should bump him up in the draft, 2nd round, early 3rd i'd guess, headed to U of New Hampshire.

Mikey Anderson, 6'0 199 LH dman, Brother of last years Devil 3rd rounder Joey Anderson, two way defender.

Ben Mirageas 6'1 180 LH dman, smart defensive game, product of Avon old farms, headed to Providence College.

Mario Ferraro 5'11 185 LH dman, nice offensive instincts and for his size he doesn't shy away from rough stuff, headed to UMass.

Will Warm 5'11 180 RH dman, Became the Oil kings(whl) #1 Dman playing in all situations as a rookie, got better every month of the season.

Otto Latvalla 6'5 190 RH dman, huge kid, won't be 18 until mid July, good puck skills for someone this size, good experience this season internationally.




Calle Sjalin is also a good pick for later rounds as well.
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Out of these mentioned, I'd love to grab Gustav Lindstrom!! Been raving about his steady play all season with Almtuna!!

One knock I have is Ben Mirageas. He is not smart defensively, in fact, he doesn't have a strong defensive game at all. A lot of play watching. He's smarter at the offensive side of the puck, though, and reads/breaks up passes very well. Defense is suspect, for sure.
 
Great consistency to this thread, guys!! Haven't seen this much interest about draft eligible prospects in some time!! :handclap: :handclap:
 
Steve, I decided to take your mock and post the Ranger picks below....

1 (21) C: Joni Ikonen (FIN) (5'11"/177lbs., Shot: Right, Frolunda J20/SuperElit)
4 (102) D: Kasper Kotkansalo (FIN) (6'2"/196lbs., Shot: Left, Sioux Falls/USHL) *BU 17/18 commit*
5 (145) C: Igor Shvyrev (RUS) (6'0"/205lbs., Shot: Left, Stalnye Lisy/MHL) *Overage +1*
6 (157) D: Saku Vesterinen (FIN) (5'11"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Charlottetown/QMJHL)
7 (207) D: Dalimil Mikyska (CZR) (6'1"/201lbs., Shot: Left, Slavia Trebic/Czech 2)

Love the talent here that NYR selects, but as much as I can see your argument on staying away from the CHL, I doubt the Rangers have a fully European draft. It just doesn't add up with their personnel. They are bound to take some American or Canadian from wherever. Not too sold on that, but the talent from all of those players are relevant!!

It was a very good read, so if anyone would like to check out Steve's mock, the link is below....

http://www.thedraftanalyst.com/mock-drafts/2017-nhl-mock-draft-may/#tab-id-1
 
Updated mocks....

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

1 (21) C: Ryan Poehling (USA) (6'2"/177lbs., Shot: Left, St. Cloud State/NCAA)

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2017/

1 (21) C/LW: Lias Andersson (SWE) (5'11"/201lbs., Shot: Left, HV71/SHL)
4 (102) D: Markus Phillips (CAN) (6'0"/207lbs., Shot: Left, Owen Sound/OHL)
5 (145) C: Ryan O'Connell (CAN) (6'0"/150lbs., Shot: Left, St. Andrews College/CAHS) *BU 18/19 commit
6 (157) RW: Alexei Toropchenko (RUS) (6'3"/187lbs., Shot: Left, Balashikha/MHL)
7 (207) LW: Daniil Vertiy (RUS) (6'0"/205lbs., Shot: Left, North Bay/OHL)

First off, I think everyone on here knows my opinion on Poehling. In short.... stay away.

On the second mock, not sure how I feel. Love Lias Andersson there and think the Phillips pick is a good one to make, too. The Russians are questionable, as I think there would be better options (don't think Vertiy would get drafted, but that is because North Bay was ******* this year), but I also wouldn't mind them at those spots. I wouldn't touch that project pick in O'Connell, especially in the 5th round.
 
Ola said:
Brannstrom would draw comparisons to Leetch if we drafted him. Unlike this new generation, he is a bit more old school like Leetch, Coffey and co when rushing the puck. He plans ahead and really goes for rushing the puck, and he is phenomenal at it. Much more mobile than Vatanen.
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I could definitely see those comparisons stylewise, much better then the Karlsson/Letang comparisons.
 
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