2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III
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It has been discussed before but... Do people feel comfortable if the Rangers trade up a few spots if Brannstrom/Liljegren is still on the board at 16?
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Really depends on what the cost is. I would rather not trade away any more picks, not that we have any of value (2nd/3rd) at the moment anyway..
I love both players but i think we need to add assets, not use them to move up. I'd much rather trade down then trade up.
Only player i would trade up for is Pettersson i think now that i've thought about it.
Pick the most skilled player with the highest ceiling at #21 or trade down.
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So, which would you prefer, taking Yamamoto at #21, or trading down and ending up with something like Poehling and Timmins?
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Trade down and grab one of the D-men (Vaakanainen, Jokiharju, Timmins or maybe reach a bit for Salo), then with that early 2nd we get for trading down you grab one of Heponiemi, Ikonen, Lipanov or Boqvist. That would be amazing.
The Sharks have never taken a goalie in the first round so it would be historical !
Maybe they're due, they only have a few goalie prospects and the best looking one is a 20 yr old freshman going to U of New Hampshire.
I can see SJ taking a falling Euro player, Necas maybe, or could be Tolvanen, Kostin, Vesalainen.
Jones is pretty young...I guess the question is whether they're comfortable with him in the more long term. Good playoff stats, middle of the road regular season...
I wouldn't think they'd take a goalie high yet. Jones has one more year to prove himself for another contract and if he doesn't they'll be looking for trade or UFA fill in, take some goalies in later rounds for development.
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theres a real chance that a very talented player will drop. trading down may not be necessary.
gut still tells me theres a strong chance that kostin is there at 21. if so, thats my guy. these 4 are my top targets and chance we get one of them is very good.
my ( realistic if we stay at 21) wish list continues to be
1. valimaki (pipe dream) high end D man who can flat out do it all. high IQ, high skills and ability to run the pp point. very mature player who plays like a vet. understands his position with skills to match. will play right away.
2. kostin- size, speed and ability to use that size down low. sublime hands and dangerous dangle. unlike other russians who play the off wing scorer role, he's good in his own end and away from the pill and can cycle and grind. tough to match up against. good motor. as a package, and with a healthy shoulder, he's a top 5 talent no doubt.
3. brannstrom- offensive man who can be electric and carry the mail. calm and composed. another kid with the skills to play the pp point and who has an electric motor and can be a possession monster. erik karlsson light ?
4. lias andersson- very smart, tenacious, reliable, quick and fast, high character and motor. plays in all situations and can really snipe it. think oscar lindberg with alot more skill. "complete" player who will be a nice 2C.
gut still tells me theres a strong chance that kostin is there at 21. if so, thats my guy. these 4 are my top targets and chance we get one of them is very good.
my ( realistic if we stay at 21) wish list continues to be
1. valimaki (pipe dream) high end D man who can flat out do it all. high IQ, high skills and ability to run the pp point. very mature player who plays like a vet. understands his position with skills to match. will play right away.
2. kostin- size, speed and ability to use that size down low. sublime hands and dangerous dangle. unlike other russians who play the off wing scorer role, he's good in his own end and away from the pill and can cycle and grind. tough to match up against. good motor. as a package, and with a healthy shoulder, he's a top 5 talent no doubt.
3. brannstrom- offensive man who can be electric and carry the mail. calm and composed. another kid with the skills to play the pp point and who has an electric motor and can be a possession monster. erik karlsson light ?
4. lias andersson- very smart, tenacious, reliable, quick and fast, high character and motor. plays in all situations and can really snipe it. think oscar lindberg with alot more skill. "complete" player who will be a nice 2C.
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I can't see Välimäki or Andersson fall to us, they're too well rounded imo, those players rarely fall far from where they're ranked.
offdacrossbar
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when you look at all the mocks, the average of where these players may go are within the range where theres a chance.
a couple reaches and who knows ? there will be surprises after the first 4 picks.
if you've got 4 or 5 top guys on your board, good chance you get your shot at one.
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Is Oettinger still projected to be a first rounder? If anything, I could see the Sharks trying to trade up and nab him in the second. Maybe they even trade back in the first? They're another team that needs to start stockpiling some young assets quickly before they're screwed for the future.
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Agree on Valimaki, either try to add a extra first, or use Raanta plus our 1st to Calgary if hes there at 16. add Liljegren into that scenario as well. My ideal scenario is if we added a first and grabbed both. (pipe dream)
I don't think any goalies are ranked in the first round anymore, but I expect someone to take one in the late 1st or early 2nd. Oettinger or DiPietro.
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Timothy Liljegren
Heres a look at Liljegren from Redline, ISS, Hockey Prospects, a FC
ISS Scouting Services :
Ranking #8
ISS Mock : #9 Detroit Red Wings- “Like most teams, the Red Wings believe that taking the best player available is never a bad decision. Liljegren has been on most scouting radar for two years, his stock may have dropped due to time missed because of mononucleosis and has struggled to find his stride this year, but there is no denying his talent.â€
Liljegren is one of the top defensemen in this year’s draft. He is a smooth skating and very mobile defender that has an effortless skating stride. After suffering from Mono at the start of the year he struggled to regain his form. Possess great offensive instincts and is excellent on the man-advantage. Very mobile and moves smoothly along the blue line .Has a bomb of a shot from the blue line with a quick release. Can lead the rush with end to end rushes as well as good outlet passes. He moves well laterally to find lanes to get the puck on net and has very good vision from the back end. Not physical, relies on body positioning and a good stick to defend. High end skilled player who needs to improve defensively.
Dir. Of Scouting, DennisMacInnis | “Smooth skating puck moving defenceman. Combination of skating and puck handling skills make him very dangerous when leading the play.â€
ISS ScoutPhil Myre | “Right shot, offensive defender
ISS Comparision : Justin Faulk
Redline Report:
Ranking #28
Redline Mock 1 #21 NY Rangers “For a team that has gotten old and slow on the blue line, this world-class skater could be part of the solutionâ€.
Redline Mock 2: #9 Detroit Red Wings “Elite, world class skater entered the season with Top 5 overall hype, but had a rough season. He’s a lot lower in our rankings, but we think the Wings may take a shot at greatness here.â€
28. Timothy Liljegren — Rögle RD
World-class skater is wonderfully athletic and light on his feet - best pure skater in the entire draft. But had a troubling season, with mono setting him back a couple of months. Came into the season as a top 5 overall pick, and leaves with lots of question marks. Makes crisp and imaginative passes, rushes the puck aggressively, attacking deep into offensive zone. Not getting any bigger and size is a bit of concern; can be overpowered in own end but is not shy and can throw big hits with great timing. Previously has shown terrific PP skills and puck movement, but his decision making regressed badly this year - loads of turnovers and mind-numbing mistakes at both ends. Has touch to make short saucers off both sides of the blade. At his best when he plays with passion, but doesn’t seem to bring it every day. Stagnated, and lack of progression in his game is a concern.
Projection: Excellent skating offensive d-man & PP specialist.
Style compares to: Tyson Barrie
Future Considerations :
Ranking #22
iljegren is a flashy offensive puck-mover on the
back-end who exhibits high-end skating ability. He
gets to top speed in just a couple powerful strides and
possesses impressive multi-directional mobility. Liljegren
displays elite puck-moving skills and carries the puck with
a confidence and an elegance which is not often seen in a
player his age. He tries to always position himself for a pass
and is often ready to receive one himself.
He has great hand-skills and creativity for a defenseman. He
is able to dance around opposition to get into the offensive
zone. He has a cool head in high pressure situations and
distributes accurate passes even when time is limited.
Setting up breakout plays from behind his own net and
making crisp passes out of his own end, he pinches to keep
pucks in the zone and drives deep for scoring opportunities.
Defensively he attacks the puck carrier immediately along
the boards and uses great gap control and an active stick to
take away scoring chances. Although he is not the biggest
player, he is hard to beat along the boards as he is balanced
on his skates and does not quit on plays, but rather leans
hard towards opponents using all of his frame to win battles.
He does not give the puck carrier much time and is always
present with an active stick. Liljegren isn’t overly physical
but he shows a good tenaciousness in board battles and he
doesn’t back down. He utilizes explosive skating to close off
opponents’ lanes and chase down attackers effectively.
A prospect that looked so promising last season, Liljegren
hasn’t progressed at the same rate as many others in this
draft class. While he has many excellent individual skills like
his elite skating, offensive creativity and puck-moving, the
big problem is that he leaves you questioning his smarts.
He often lets the correct play pass by, instead choosing the
play or pass option with less chance of success. He also has
a tendency to hold onto the puck too long at times and gets
forced into low percentage plays. There have been instances
where his nervousness and puck mishandling deep in his
own end have gotten him in trouble as opposing forecheckers
closed the gap on him and caused a turnover.
He tries to do too much at times, forcing things, pinching at
inopportune times for the puck, getting his long range passes
cut and causing turnovers. At other times, he is too selfish
with the puck and wants to do everything by himself, only
passing the puck as a last resort. This, as a result, can put his
teammates into uncomfortable situations.
SCOUT’S QUOTE: “Top-tier puck slinger leans towards
offense and does well managing the pace of the game.
Elite skater that has all the gears and the lateral/transition
technique to be shifty on the line or defend the rush. Puck
skill and protection ability to hold onto pucks for extended
periods of time. Gets rangy defensively a bit to cut men off
early and pressure gap control. Not a physical guy, relies on
offensive stick skill to turn play around.â€
NHL POTENTIAL: Top-4 Puck-rushing Blueliner
HockeyProspect.com Black Book
Ranking #10
Liljegren’s physical skills are impressive. He has an explosive stride, and generates speed out of his turns
because of his strong cross-overs. His edgework is exceptional and he can turn tight and quick, with his
head and upper body leading his body. He makes transitioning and changing directions look extremely
easy. When skating backwards, he generates easy power through cross-overs and this makes for terrific
recovery ability when faced with outside speed.
His stride is very effective when carrying the puck. He is strong on his skates and takes very few strides to
get up the ice. Although he is only listed at 6’0†he looks and plays bigger. On his rushes, he gets by
because of his powerful legs and long reach. He has nice hands, and is tough to defend one-on-one. He
can deke defenseman with a quick move at speed and drive them wide, proving to be dangerous in open
space. Once in this space, he is effective, but often he tries too hard as an individual to create these rushes.
His ability to determine whether or not to rush the puck needs to be refined.
Scouts quotes:
Quotable: “Played his best hockey towards the end of his season which is better than
the opposite. He’s a guy I had a lot of conversations with NHL Scouts about this year.
2017 NHL DRAFT PROSPECTS — 135
I probably had more scouts talk to me regarding him and his ranking than any other player
in the draft. I’ll be interested to see where lands on draft day†- HP Scout, Mark
Edwards
Quotable: “There are some difficult evaluations this year.Two high end guys in Liljegren
and Kostin that have both missed a ton of hockey.- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable:â€He needs a lot of coaching defensively...†- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable:†Brannstrom is a skater.....end to end guy...tries to do everything by himself..kinda
like Makar. Liljegren wants to draw guys to him or have guys cutting back door...he finds
guys.†- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable: “One thing that was a big factor for me and it was for both Liljegren and
Brannstrom....that was one of the worst Swede forward groups I’ve ever seen so they
would make plays and they would die after the puck left their sticks. You could see
what they were thinking but it would bounce of the forwards stick or whatever..It was
a big factor...†- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable: “He’s an enigma. Skilled...very skilled. Probably too much hype on him coming
into the year.†- NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: “He’s a very skilled excellent skating defensman.†NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: “He’s a skilled guy...that disease knocks the crap out of ya. It certainly
knocked the crap out of him.It takes a while to recover.†- NHL out (May 2017)
Quotable:†He’s an offensive guy and he was much better in April.â€(at the U18 in Slovakia)
- NHL Scout (May 2017)
Heres a look at Liljegren from Redline, ISS, Hockey Prospects, a FC
ISS Scouting Services :
Ranking #8
ISS Mock : #9 Detroit Red Wings- “Like most teams, the Red Wings believe that taking the best player available is never a bad decision. Liljegren has been on most scouting radar for two years, his stock may have dropped due to time missed because of mononucleosis and has struggled to find his stride this year, but there is no denying his talent.â€
Liljegren is one of the top defensemen in this year’s draft. He is a smooth skating and very mobile defender that has an effortless skating stride. After suffering from Mono at the start of the year he struggled to regain his form. Possess great offensive instincts and is excellent on the man-advantage. Very mobile and moves smoothly along the blue line .Has a bomb of a shot from the blue line with a quick release. Can lead the rush with end to end rushes as well as good outlet passes. He moves well laterally to find lanes to get the puck on net and has very good vision from the back end. Not physical, relies on body positioning and a good stick to defend. High end skilled player who needs to improve defensively.
Dir. Of Scouting, DennisMacInnis | “Smooth skating puck moving defenceman. Combination of skating and puck handling skills make him very dangerous when leading the play.â€
ISS ScoutPhil Myre | “Right shot, offensive defender
ISS Comparision : Justin Faulk
Redline Report:
Ranking #28
Redline Mock 1 #21 NY Rangers “For a team that has gotten old and slow on the blue line, this world-class skater could be part of the solutionâ€.
Redline Mock 2: #9 Detroit Red Wings “Elite, world class skater entered the season with Top 5 overall hype, but had a rough season. He’s a lot lower in our rankings, but we think the Wings may take a shot at greatness here.â€
28. Timothy Liljegren — Rögle RD
World-class skater is wonderfully athletic and light on his feet - best pure skater in the entire draft. But had a troubling season, with mono setting him back a couple of months. Came into the season as a top 5 overall pick, and leaves with lots of question marks. Makes crisp and imaginative passes, rushes the puck aggressively, attacking deep into offensive zone. Not getting any bigger and size is a bit of concern; can be overpowered in own end but is not shy and can throw big hits with great timing. Previously has shown terrific PP skills and puck movement, but his decision making regressed badly this year - loads of turnovers and mind-numbing mistakes at both ends. Has touch to make short saucers off both sides of the blade. At his best when he plays with passion, but doesn’t seem to bring it every day. Stagnated, and lack of progression in his game is a concern.
Projection: Excellent skating offensive d-man & PP specialist.
Style compares to: Tyson Barrie
Future Considerations :
Ranking #22
iljegren is a flashy offensive puck-mover on the
back-end who exhibits high-end skating ability. He
gets to top speed in just a couple powerful strides and
possesses impressive multi-directional mobility. Liljegren
displays elite puck-moving skills and carries the puck with
a confidence and an elegance which is not often seen in a
player his age. He tries to always position himself for a pass
and is often ready to receive one himself.
He has great hand-skills and creativity for a defenseman. He
is able to dance around opposition to get into the offensive
zone. He has a cool head in high pressure situations and
distributes accurate passes even when time is limited.
Setting up breakout plays from behind his own net and
making crisp passes out of his own end, he pinches to keep
pucks in the zone and drives deep for scoring opportunities.
Defensively he attacks the puck carrier immediately along
the boards and uses great gap control and an active stick to
take away scoring chances. Although he is not the biggest
player, he is hard to beat along the boards as he is balanced
on his skates and does not quit on plays, but rather leans
hard towards opponents using all of his frame to win battles.
He does not give the puck carrier much time and is always
present with an active stick. Liljegren isn’t overly physical
but he shows a good tenaciousness in board battles and he
doesn’t back down. He utilizes explosive skating to close off
opponents’ lanes and chase down attackers effectively.
A prospect that looked so promising last season, Liljegren
hasn’t progressed at the same rate as many others in this
draft class. While he has many excellent individual skills like
his elite skating, offensive creativity and puck-moving, the
big problem is that he leaves you questioning his smarts.
He often lets the correct play pass by, instead choosing the
play or pass option with less chance of success. He also has
a tendency to hold onto the puck too long at times and gets
forced into low percentage plays. There have been instances
where his nervousness and puck mishandling deep in his
own end have gotten him in trouble as opposing forecheckers
closed the gap on him and caused a turnover.
He tries to do too much at times, forcing things, pinching at
inopportune times for the puck, getting his long range passes
cut and causing turnovers. At other times, he is too selfish
with the puck and wants to do everything by himself, only
passing the puck as a last resort. This, as a result, can put his
teammates into uncomfortable situations.
SCOUT’S QUOTE: “Top-tier puck slinger leans towards
offense and does well managing the pace of the game.
Elite skater that has all the gears and the lateral/transition
technique to be shifty on the line or defend the rush. Puck
skill and protection ability to hold onto pucks for extended
periods of time. Gets rangy defensively a bit to cut men off
early and pressure gap control. Not a physical guy, relies on
offensive stick skill to turn play around.â€
NHL POTENTIAL: Top-4 Puck-rushing Blueliner
HockeyProspect.com Black Book
Ranking #10
Liljegren’s physical skills are impressive. He has an explosive stride, and generates speed out of his turns
because of his strong cross-overs. His edgework is exceptional and he can turn tight and quick, with his
head and upper body leading his body. He makes transitioning and changing directions look extremely
easy. When skating backwards, he generates easy power through cross-overs and this makes for terrific
recovery ability when faced with outside speed.
His stride is very effective when carrying the puck. He is strong on his skates and takes very few strides to
get up the ice. Although he is only listed at 6’0†he looks and plays bigger. On his rushes, he gets by
because of his powerful legs and long reach. He has nice hands, and is tough to defend one-on-one. He
can deke defenseman with a quick move at speed and drive them wide, proving to be dangerous in open
space. Once in this space, he is effective, but often he tries too hard as an individual to create these rushes.
His ability to determine whether or not to rush the puck needs to be refined.
Scouts quotes:
Quotable: “Played his best hockey towards the end of his season which is better than
the opposite. He’s a guy I had a lot of conversations with NHL Scouts about this year.
2017 NHL DRAFT PROSPECTS — 135
I probably had more scouts talk to me regarding him and his ranking than any other player
in the draft. I’ll be interested to see where lands on draft day†- HP Scout, Mark
Edwards
Quotable: “There are some difficult evaluations this year.Two high end guys in Liljegren
and Kostin that have both missed a ton of hockey.- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable:â€He needs a lot of coaching defensively...†- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable:†Brannstrom is a skater.....end to end guy...tries to do everything by himself..kinda
like Makar. Liljegren wants to draw guys to him or have guys cutting back door...he finds
guys.†- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable: “One thing that was a big factor for me and it was for both Liljegren and
Brannstrom....that was one of the worst Swede forward groups I’ve ever seen so they
would make plays and they would die after the puck left their sticks. You could see
what they were thinking but it would bounce of the forwards stick or whatever..It was
a big factor...†- NHL Scout (April 2017)
Quotable: “He’s an enigma. Skilled...very skilled. Probably too much hype on him coming
into the year.†- NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: “He’s a very skilled excellent skating defensman.†NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: “He’s a skilled guy...that disease knocks the crap out of ya. It certainly
knocked the crap out of him.It takes a while to recover.†- NHL out (May 2017)
Quotable:†He’s an offensive guy and he was much better in April.â€(at the U18 in Slovakia)
- NHL Scout (May 2017)
Bluenote13
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I don't think Valimaki gets past #13, Winnipeg with Laine, add another countryman.
San Jose should trade down, they have a 1st and 3rd but no 2nd or 4th. Trade down and take a goalie in the late first while adding another pick.
San Jose should trade down, they have a 1st and 3rd but no 2nd or 4th. Trade down and take a goalie in the late first while adding another pick.
Nice post on Liljegren. Him falling to us would be perfect, highest upside player in this draft bar none. He has that limitless offensive upside.
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Rangers know him well too. He trained with McDonagh last offseason, which is why I don't want to get my hopes up. It would be too perfect of a pick.
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offdacrossbar
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wow thats a mouthful as there are some others i can think of.
this is a pipe dream kid imo.
he won't be there at 21 thats for sure. he's a terrific prospect and someone who will go earlier rather than later. with those wheels and ability to play the game he does, hell be gone in the top 15 easy.
not a chance hes there for us. mono or not.
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