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2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III

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offdacrossbar said:
wow thats a mouthful as there are some others i can think of.

this is a pipe dream kid imo.

he won't be there at 21 thats for sure. he's a terrific prospect and someone who will go earlier rather than later. with those wheels and ability to play the game he does, hell be gone in the top 15 easy.

not a chance hes there for us. mono or not.
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I stand by it 100%, i think the only player who even comes close to his upside is Pettersson.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Is Oettinger still projected to be a first rounder? If anything, I could see the Sharks trying to trade up and nab him in the second. Maybe they even trade back in the first? They're another team that needs to start stockpiling some young assets quickly before they're screwed for the future.
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What San Jose could do is trade down you mean and take Oettinger with a later 1st or if they could pick up an early to mid 2nd in such a deal--he might still be around (or not). I don't know who or what they could trade to move into the 2nd round.

Currently the Sharks have Jones--who is a good goalie but hardly elite. He's 27 now and has one year left on a $3mil contract. He'll be a UFA after next season if not signed. Which means he'll probably want $4.5-5 or 5+ mil and want at least 4 years and the Sharks might not have much choice other than go out and get another starter. He's good but IMO they're not going to win a Cup with this guy.

Aaron Dell had a really good year for them as a backup. He's already 28 and he'll be a UFA at the end of next year as well. ..

Their top AHL goalie is Troy Grosenick who is also 28 with 2 games of NHL experience and he's a pretty good AHL guy--one injury away from the NHL but 28 is getting up there for a guy with very little NHL experience.

They have a Lithuanian goalie signed--Armalis who had a kind of forgettable North American rookie season.

And that's it for their pros.

Two prospects Mike Robinson--a 3rd a couple years ago who will be a college freshman this year and Jake Kupsky who's spent 2 years as the backup at Union College.

An Oettinger pick will give them something that they're going to need anyway (and maybe very badly) in 2-3-4 years time however things go with Martin Jones. It wouldn't be a dumb thing for them to do IMO.
 
I was using that Draftwire tool that has been floating around

In the mock I did, all the defensemen I wanted were gone (save for Timmins, he was there). I traded the 21st pick to Vancouver for the 32nd, the 56th, and the 64th

I was hoping Timmins would drop to the 32nd, but he went at 31st (go figure)

I ended up drafting Yamamoto @ 32, Lipanov @ 56 and Reedy @ 64

Not bad, but I think the team needs a RHD defenseman
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
I was using that Draftwire tool that has been floating around

In the mock I did, all the defensemen I wanted were gone (save for Timmins, he was there). I traded the 21st pick to Vancouver for the 32nd, the 56th, and the 64th

I was hoping Timmins would drop to the 32nd, but he went at 31st (go figure)

I ended up drafting Yamamoto @ 32, Lipanov @ 56 and Reedy @ 64

Not bad, but I think the team needs a RHD defenseman
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That's an amazing draft if that happens. Just go D-men later, grab guys like Gawanke, Själin etc.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
I was using that Draftwire tool that has been floating around

In the mock I did, all the defensemen I wanted were gone (save for Timmins, he was there). I traded the 21st pick to Vancouver for the 32nd, the 56th, and the 64th

I was hoping Timmins would drop to the 32nd, but he went at 31st (go figure)

I ended up drafting Yamamoto @ 32, Lipanov @ 56 and Reedy @ 64

Not bad, but I think the team needs a RHD defenseman
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Well done
 
Savant said:
And it was praised by many as the right move at the time. Hindsight is 20/20
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It was a boom-or-bust pick. Unlike the safe picks we usually have, this one was really a 50/50 player we drafted. This year I see a lot of those going late in the first. Teams will take a risk and try to draft a top-line player rather than going safe with a less flashy player who will most likely be a 3rd liner.
 
I don't think there's anyone in this draft similar to Sanguinetti at all though, but i don't think that was a bad pick on draft day. Just because a pick doesn't work out doesn't mean it was a bad pick.
 
I did not follow prospects or drafts at the time. How was Sanguinetti when we drafted him?
 
Bluenote13 said:
The beginning of that draft year he was supposedly a top-five or top-10 pick.

Four years in a row we took players that dropped - Staal, Sangs, Cherepanov, Del Z.
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I'd argue all 4 were good/very good picks on draft day. We're insanely unlucky to not get a game changer (in a positive sense) out of one of those 4 imo.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I don't think there's anyone in this draft similar to Sanguinetti at all though, but i don't think that was a bad pick on draft day. Just because a pick doesn't work out doesn't mean it was a bad pick.
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It was something I commented on all along back then, and it was really confirmed when we drafted MDZ who we treated very differently, but ever since Sangs was drafted all we talked about was defense, defense and defense regarding him. It was said that he had it pinned down offensively and only needed to learn how to not make mistakes and play good defense. As a matter of fact though, he just wasn't there offensively at all. We had a completely backward approach developing him. Guys like him will only make it to the NHL thanks to their offensive game, and we should really have focused on pushing him offensively. I don't think Sangs ever heard anyone telling him to do this or that offensively, it was only do "not" do this or that.

When we got MDZ it was obvious that the organization had learnt a lesson, a lot more focus were put on pushing him offensively and letting him play to his strengths.

In the end though, I also think that Sangs was a talent a bit in the Jamie Lundmark mold. Skating and hands is just, and have never been, enough to get to the NHL. Its about instincts, smarts, hockey sense -- all those things. Skill and skating is just a tool that enables you to execute what you want to do on the ice. Both Sangs and JL had a pretty easy time up until they got to the NHL, and just didn't handle the transformation well enough.
 
Ola said:
It was something I commented on all along back then, and it was really confirmed when we drafted MDZ who we treated very differently, but ever since Sangs was drafted all we talked about was defense, defense and defense regarding him. It was said that he had it pinned down offensively and only needed to learn how to not make mistakes and play good defense. As a matter of fact though, he just wasn't there offensively at all. We had a completely backward approach developing him. Guys like him will only make it to the NHL thanks to their offensive game, and we should really have focused on pushing him offensively. I don't think Sangs ever heard anyone telling him to do this or that offensively, it was only do "not" do this or that.

When we got MDZ it was obvious that the organization had learnt a lesson, a lot more focus were put on pushing him offensively and letting him play to his strengths.

In the end though, I also think that Sangs was a talent a bit in the Jamie Lundmark mold. Skating and hands is just, and have never been, enough to get to the NHL. Its about instincts, smarts, hockey sense -- all those things. Skill and skating is just a tool that enables you to execute what you want to do on the ice. Both Sangs and JL had a pretty easy time up until they got to the NHL, and just didn't handle the transformation well enough.
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Sangs was and is very soft.... softer than Poti. There were issues with engagement in the AHL with him.

With DZ, at 19.... the Rangers staff thought he was the next Leetch. Seriously.

DZ had pedigree, and was part of the Pietroangelo/Stamkos/Seguin/Subban ratpack in their GTHL days in Tronna.

DZ, who I love, also didn't do his part to become a Stammer or Petro.

Sangs and JL are good parables for young hockey players and scouting staff.. seemed like a case of guys that didn't want to pay a price for success.

Rangers have had a lot of guys like that come in and out and fizzle with no sizzle. Pirri is another.
 
MDZ's almost getting killed by Malkin was the beginning of the end. He had some very bad luck
 
Scouts are great, we should always trust scouts, right? They're so smart and it's their job! :sarcasm:

Completely unrelated, i just read a THW article where "skating concerns" was in an actual sentence about Timothy Liljegren.

:help:
 
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