If I remember correctly, MArkov is very injury prone. Could fit in well here.
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If I remember correctly, MArkov is very injury prone. Could fit in well here.
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What a terrible image.
I think Duchene starts the season in Colorado and it's going to be a circus. Low key, the Pens circled and allegedly got close, Sakic was a ******, Letang needed season ending surgery, they won the cup without him, Sakic remains delusional. Sakic is the same but the Pens probably have more question marks around being able to count on Letang.
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Yea, looking at the Boston team is a challenge when it comes to properly, and I mean properly accessing them. They had almost no stat line that was linear in you can just neatly put this cluster of players in a box, wrap it in a bow, then say here this was this. I think that is why that team gets dismissed so often as a "fluke" but they play a solid from L1 to Defense Pair 3 game that's a bit challenging to completely wrap you head around looking only at the stat lines. You had to watch that team to understand what was going on with them and certain players, Kelly and Campbell, as you mentioned are good examples of that. Some Championship teams you can look at the stat lines and its glaringly obvious why they won, others are not that simple to analyze.
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I didn't post that wanting Markov, just posted it because I had not seen it on here yet. Not really interested in Markov at that price at all.
Duchene trade talk will never die!
My gut is Rutherford would like a few big moves but he recognises he's got a lot of quality, few obvious holes, a very tight dressing room, and he's going to wait for value to pop up.
Other things on that of interest
- Quite a lot of interest in Daley, Smith likely to be with NYR but Stone and Calgary not so much
- Buffalo may call Cullen (you don't say)
- Quite a lot of interest in Daley, Smith likely to be with NYR but Stone and Calgary not so much
- Buffalo may call Cullen (you don't say)
Harvey Birdman
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Preseason: 100% He gets some games.
Start of season: 5-10%
By game #41: 20-25%
By seasons end/start of playoffs: 30-35%
Think we definitely should go younger at 3C and would love JR to complete a deal for Duchene. He's a good fit, and I don't think it's unreasonable to offer Maatta and a young winger since we have plenty, maybe throw in a lower than a first round pick. But we'd need to have a replacement for Maatta in place. Stone? Though he's a righty. Trade for Miller with LV? Try to pry Smith from the Rangers? Demers?
Make it happen JR. Best option to keep things fresh for us and the three-peat
Make it happen JR. Best option to keep things fresh for us and the three-peat
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Beauner
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I think the longer Sakic waits to make a deal the better. If it takes him until November or December to deal him, Duchene's value will probably be at its lowest point. It will be a circus and Sakic won't have any leverage anymore.
Either that or teams will know the end is near and a bidding war will occur. But I don't sense that happening.
Either that or teams will know the end is near and a bidding war will occur. But I don't sense that happening.
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Sakic is going to botch the situation while believing he is taking the high ground. Duchene's value will continue to plummet and Sakic will get a harsh lesson on the path of trades vs moral high ground.
I bet we offered Maatta+ plus and we know Sakic said "Sprong+Guentzel+". Adios.
Wouldn't be surprised to see something like Maatta+Sheary+2018 2nd or something. And that's more than fair for Duchene. Could you imagine how pumped he would be to come here? After the debacle in Colorado and losing so much, to get to come to Pittsburgh knowing you're gonna have a chance at a three-peat...kid will look like he was shot out of a cannon!
As a regular contributor? Not that good. He will likely see some games for injuries and such, but I can't really see him being a regular next season unless a body is moved out. We don't have a Kunitz to bump to the 4th line to make room for him.
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Hahaha. Yeah JR has to be chomping at the bit to make a big deal, it's been 2 years since the Kessel trade for crying out loud!
That is the exact trade I was thinking of... Colorado gets a young top 4 D and top 6 forward that are already proven in the NHL, that's not something they will get from most teams.
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Goals last year
Yakupov - 3
Hagelin - 6
Even strength + SH goals since 2013 (Yakupov's rookie year)
Yakupov -37
Hagelin -64
Additionally, Hagelin is a pretty good two way player, whereas Yakupov is the NHL's very, very worst.
Even if Yakupov had doubled Hagelin's production, that might not be sufficient to wipe out the vast difference between their defensive game. But he doesn't double Hagelin's production. He consistently scores half as much.
Here's a reality check: Yakupov isn't in Hagelin's league as a hockey player. Yakupov is closer to Farnham, but comes up lacking, in comparison.
Finally, I don't know why anyone would compare these players, anyway. Hagelin plays left wing and, rarely, center. Yakupov plays right wing and nothing else (which you would know if you judging him on observations instead of draft position). To put him on this team, he doesn't need to be better than Hagelin (which he isn't close to). He needs to be better than Guentzel or Kessel.
Speaking Moistly
What a terrible image.
I think he's already botched it, tbh. The Pens are in an even worse position to trade a D with Letang's latest, the Islanders have made some moves and Montreal made the Drouin trade. The landscape has changed and he still needs to move Duchene. I'd expect this run to have bumped the value of our D up on top of Letang looking less reliable, too.
I'd be surprised if the Pens were in on him at this point and I don't think being pumped instantly undoes all of that **** Colorado did.
Really not sure how much that move would improve us. A lot depends on how you replace Maatta.
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Well, the Pens just may have to fill yet another hole at center.
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/sidney-crosby-says-hed-love-play-goalie-penguins/
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/sidney-crosby-says-hed-love-play-goalie-penguins/
AgentM
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Good thing he didn't switch positions a few weeks ago or we would have had to ask him to waive his NMC to keep Murray
Coastal Kev
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I think we're in, but more hanging around rather than chasing hard.
I also think if Sakic has any sense he kills the rumours, pleads with Duchene to play nice for one more season, then goes back to market after a better season with a trade and sign possible.
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I'm worried more about blockbuster trades this time of year than anything else
But that is very true. We'd probably have to keep Daley and add a FA top 4 guy. Or keep Hainsey, I know this board would love that
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From the Stl Board:
My take after watching him last season with my Blues.
Hitch put him in positions where he was mostly with our grinders, had no PP time and very little chance to succeed at what he does best.
If a team wants to utilize his strengths, and not attempt to correct his weaknesses, but instead, put him in a place to use his strengths, he could potentially have a breakout season.
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