Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[SEALBound]

I am. I'm still asking because I'd rather hear what he looked like in those spells from anyone who watched him. If people think he looked garbage, fair enough.

He is garbage. More garbage than Yakupov. He has shown NOTHING at the NHL level.

 

[SCPens]

The point is I'm not wrong until he actually plays with Sid, it's just an opinion. Just like everyone else in this thread trashing the kid, just their opinion.


While your laughing, take a trip down memory lane when Schultz signs his new contract and guess what your reaction would have been 24 months ago if I told you that "not only will the Pens trade for Schultz, but they will give him a ______contract for ______ years".

Yeah but here's the thing, Schultz has more in common with the Wizard of Oz's scarecrow than he does with Yakapov....he has a brain. I guess you're technically not wrong, but at the same time you're not even close to being right.

 

[Peat]

He is garbage. More garbage than Yakupov. He has shown NOTHING at the NHL level.

Then why not just say that to begin with? Thanks.

The Miller thing won't happen anymore. The Knights are trying to dump Emelin and Sbisa, they want to keep the rest of their D.

That takes them down to 9 dmen though. If they're willing to put Theodore in the AHL, 8, but I'd have thought they want him on the NHL roster. If that's right, then they still need to lose another.

They'll probably try and move one of Garrison/Stoner/McNabb... but given the ugly return on Methot, maybe they cave and a do a younger guy. Probably not though.

 

[Shaffer]

For our 3C, if Bonino isn't resigned I think We should give Toronto a call for bozak. 1yr left on his deal and ask for them to retain Salary. Something like Lukas Bengttson+2018 2nd for Bozak at 50% retain?

 

[zero8771]

The point is I'm not wrong until he actually plays with Sid, it's just an opinion. Just like everyone else in this thread trashing the kid, just their opinion.


While your laughing, take a trip down memory lane when Schultz signs his new contract and guess what your reaction would have been 24 months ago if I told you that "not only will the Pens trade for Schultz, but they will give him a ______contract for ______ years".

I think the world will end tomorrow due to gallons of vaseline raining from the sky until all living creatures suffocate or drown. Until it happens, it's just my opinion.

Thinking Yak could improve his production with Sid is an opinion. Firmly believing he would score 40 is dilusion

 

[Nakawick]

For our 3C, if Bonino isn't resigned I think We should give Toronto a call for bozak. 1yr left on his deal and ask for them to retain Salary. Something like Lukas Bengttson+2018 2nd for Bozak at 50% retain?

I think Bozak would be a little more expensive to acquire. Bozak is also an important part of the leafs as well. Boyle is a UFA too.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

For our 3C, if Bonino isn't resigned I think We should give Toronto a call for bozak. 1yr left on his deal and ask for them to retain Salary. Something like Lukas Bengttson+2018 2nd for Bozak at 50% retain?

Why would they give him up? Their cap is in good shape and they're looking to contend starting next year.

 

[deakka]

For our 3C, if Bonino isn't resigned I think We should give Toronto a call for bozak. 1yr left on his deal and ask for them to retain Salary. Something like Lukas Bengttson+2018 2nd for Bozak at 50% retain?

Im pretty sure Bengtsson have Zero or negative (since his contract counts towards the limit) value, since its uncertain he will even be able to play again.

 

[madinsomniac]

In Yaks defense, he cut down on his horrible giveaways last year dramatically... if he were anle to play LW it might be worth a look especially if he finally will play responsibly... but its academic... he isn't coming here... he will stay out west

 

[Jacob]

Gretzky
80-81: 55 goals
81-82: 92 goals

Exactly 37

Touché

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Some day pghkev is gonna break his arm patting himself on the back for hypothetical situations that he deems he's correct in. Dude makes Madden look modest.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

In Yaks defense, he cut down on his horrible giveaways last year dramatically... if he were anle to play LW it might be worth a look especially if he finally will play responsibly... but its academic... he isn't coming here... he will stay out west

I'd be interested to see how he'd do with AHL time. Not even with the Pens specifically, just how he'd do in the AHL.

 

[66871]

Dan Girardi is available....

So is Pronger!!

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

While we are extremely slow, I like the idea of a guessing game with hopefully some realism behind it:

- Sheary 3 years 10m total. If he continues his production, he will leave Pittsburgh an extremely rich man at the age of 28. He will hit UFA and be overpaid w/ a lot of term. I think the deal is great for both teams.

- Dumo 4 years @ 3.5-4 would be beautiful.

- Schultz 6 years @ 4.25m. Here's my thinking.. we give in to the term, he gives in to a little bit of cap space. We all win.

- 3C: We sign Bones at 4 years @ 3.75. He takes a slight pay cut to stay where he's happy. We give him the extra year of term to try and even it out.

- UFA targets: Moore, Hanzal if no Bonino, and I look to target Vegas still for a 2018 draft pick for Colin Miller or a defender they are looking to get rid of.


That is a VERY favorable situation for the Pens, IMO.

And Kunitz?

 

[66871]

While we are extremely slow, I like the idea of a guessing game with hopefully some realism behind it:

- Sheary 3 years 10m total. If he continues his production, he will leave Pittsburgh an extremely rich man at the age of 28. He will hit UFA and be overpaid w/ a lot of term. I think the deal is great for both teams.

- Dumo 4 years @ 3.5-4 would be beautiful.

- Schultz 6 years @ 4.25m. Here's my thinking.. we give in to the term, he gives in to a little bit of cap space. We all win.

- 3C: We sign Bones at 4 years @ 3.75. He takes a slight pay cut to stay where he's happy. We give him the extra year of term to try and even it out.

- UFA targets: Moore, Hanzal if no Bonino, and I look to target Vegas still for a 2018 draft pick for Colin Miller or a defender they are looking to get rid of.


That is a VERY favorable situation for the Pens, IMO.

I think we will be at or just below $5MM for Schultz. He's at an age where trading salary for term isn't necessarily a win (unless we are talking max term). So we will need to be at a level with the tender that the draft compensation factors into the cost of any team that would sign him. JMHO

 

[exHornet]

Because this team is good at rescuing talent and because the team's situation means we always need more cheap talent (and fresh legs).

.

This is not a story about the loaves and the fishes. Some of these guys don't really demonstrate that they have true NHL talent. Admittedly, at some point they had fooled people into thinking that they did, but that was a while ago. A few of these guys are bonafide failures, and nothing more.

 

[Peat]

This is not a story about the loaves and the fishes. Some of these guys don't really demonstrate that they have true NHL talent. Admittedly, at some point they had fooled people into thinking that they did, but that was a while ago. A few of these guys are bonafide failures, and nothing more.

Then say that guy doesn't have it and move on. Nobody's making it their hill to die on, merely enquiring to see whether a guy has potential to be like Jultz.

Well. Maybe except for Pghkev and Yakupov.

 

[rho]

As long at its at least one more season, I don't see any reason not to do it. I feel like it'd be easy to end up paying more for worse this year given the options.

Bringing back Bonino for one more season wouldn't be an issue (even at an inflated caphit) -- signing him to a contract for the next 5 (even at a "fairer" caphit) would be an issue. One contract doesn't make or break things, but there's a pretty straight line that can be drawn between bringing back the old gang on lengthy contracts to being forced to trade your in-prime stars because you're in cap hell, i.e., what Chicago had to do last week. Of course that doesn't mean you should sign worse players for similarly bad contracts. I just think that if you're forced into a corner and need to make a non-ideal signing for the 3C hole, you're better off paying too much for a short-term contract (say 2 years) than signing Bonino for what he wants for 5 years.

 

[Peat]

Bringing back Bonino for one more season wouldn't be an issue (even at an inflated caphit) -- signing him to a contract for the next 5 (even at a "fairer" caphit) would be an issue. One contract doesn't make or break things, but there's a pretty straight line that can be drawn between bringing back the old gang on lengthy contracts to being forced to trade your in-prime stars because you're in cap hell, i.e., what Chicago had to do last week. Of course that doesn't mean you should sign worse players for similarly bad contracts. I just think that if you're forced into a corner and need to make a non-ideal signing for the 3C hole, you're better off paying too much for a short-term contract (say 2 years) than signing Bonino for what he wants for 5 years.

If you're handing out 5 year contracts at prime UFA rates then, yes, you're going straight to cap hell. I thought it would be taken as read that bringing them back depended on the contracts making sense - should have been clearer.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

This is not a story about the loaves and the fishes. Some of these guys don't really demonstrate that they have true NHL talent. Admittedly, at some point they had fooled people into thinking that they did, but that was a while ago. A few of these guys are bonafide failures, and nothing more.

Eh, a guy like Grigorenko who put up, 27 in 74 and 23 in 71 on an awful team as a 13F project type doesn't seem like a big risk. Yakupov is a lost cause though. So

 

[Shaffer]

For our 3C, if Bonino isn't resigned I think We should give Toronto a call for bozak. 1yr left on his deal and ask for them to retain Salary. Something like Lukas Bengttson+2018 2nd for Bozak at 50% retain?

 

[Clare2904]

For our 3C, if Bonino isn't resigned I think We should give Toronto a call for bozak. 1yr left on his deal and ask for them to retain Salary. Something like Lukas Bengttson+2018 2nd for Bozak at 50% retain?

Did I not read this post a few pages?

 

[chethejet]

GMJR said he has a plan in place. Meaning they are not going to spend the cap on extensions for third line centers, good but not elite defensemen and wingers who are good but replaceable. GMJR will see what the offer is for Bonino, if to much so be it. RFA's are still property of the Pens and qualifying offers insure they are Pens unless someone wants to give up 1st and third picks for them.

 

[gdsmack267]

Did I not read this post a few pages?

Come back for page 10 and you'll see it again.

 

[rho]

If you're handing out 5 year contracts at prime UFA rates then, yes, you're going straight to cap hell. I thought it would be taken as read that bringing them back depended on the contracts making sense - should have been clearer.

Right. I guess I'm leary even of a reasonable caphit to Bonino if it's going for 5 years (or god forbid, 6). IMO, before they sign any UFA contracts, management should be taking a hard look at what Chicago had to do with Panarin and then imagining how they'd feel making the same decision down the road about Guentzel.