Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[PensPlz]

Fantasy Hockey question... % odds of Sprong making your team next year?

Honestly pretty good. Given how much hockey these guys have played in the last 2 years, wouldn't be surprised if injuries start popping up worse than they usually do.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I think we're in, but more hanging around rather than chasing hard.

I also think if Sakic has any sense he kills the rumours, pleads with Duchene to play nice for one more season, then goes back to market after a better season with a trade and sign possible.

I dunno. Colorado doesn't look like it's made any headway in the personnel department since they were by far the worst team in the NHL last year, and I can't imagine they're going to be a hotspot for UFAs.

Sakic could hold onto Duchene and hope he has a better season before he goes to market, but I think the odds of Duchene stagnating as a dead man walking on a terrible team are a lot higher than the odds of a resurgence there. And at that point, they're not likely getting anything resembling a young top 4 defenseman for him.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I think we're in, but more hanging around rather than chasing hard.

I also think if Sakic has any sense he kills the rumours, pleads with Duchene to play nice for one more season, then goes back to market after a better season with a trade and sign possible.

In other words old people like talking on the phone.

I think a lot of teams are probably hanging around like "if we can have him for a 1st and B prospect we'll take him" and I think there's a good chance JR has already moved on to something ing else or is holding a grudge over any shenanigans.

Sakic is probably waiting to see if Brisson can fix this.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

If anyone out there doesn't know, apparently Reaves went out of his way to change himself to improve his play. he then scored his career high despite starting 75% of his shifts in the D zone. And also is an above average shot suppressor with these zone starts.

He will help the 4th line in a tangible way as well IMO.

oops wrong thread

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I dunno. Colorado doesn't look like it's made any headway in the personnel department since they were by far the worst team in the NHL last year, and I can't imagine they're going to be a hotspot for UFAs.

Sakic could hold onto Duchene and hope he has a better season before he goes to market, but I think the odds of Duchene stagnating as a dead man walking on a terrible team are a lot higher than the odds of a resurgence there. And at that point, they're not likely getting anything resembling a young top 4 defenseman for him.

Yeah, I could see Duchene having a worse season and a fourth season removed from being close to ppg can't help even if it's a **** team. Then there's the ever present injury risk. Going into the season with Duchene should terrify Sakic.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Honestly pretty good. Given how much hockey these guys have played in the last 2 years, wouldn't be surprised if injuries start popping up worse than they usually do.

Injuries aside, kessel should be getting some games off next season. Barely missed any (or did he at all?) And it showed during second half of playoffs. He was worn down.

Perfect opportunity to give Sprong a shot on Geno's right side, when kessel is out. When he's in, Sprong can be on 3rd line. Or just go back to kessel being on 3rd. Either way, Sprong will get playing time next year. And he will be in the lineup come playoff time if he does well.

They're not gonna keep him down in WBS, just because we have a logjam at wing...not when his upside is more like Guentzel..

 

[TheStatican]

Has any player had a greater increase in production than 37 goals between one season and another?

Plenty
Rick MacLeish 1 to 50 (+49) in '73
Blaine Stoughton 6 to 56 (+50) in '80 *skipped a few years
Pierre Larouche 9 to 50 (+41) in '80
Jacques Richard 3 to 52 (+49) in '81
Dennis Maruk 10 to 50 (+40) in '80
Wayne Gretzky 55 to 92 (+37) in '82 same gp
Dino Ciccarelli 18 to 55 (+37) in '82
Tim Kerr 11 to 54 (+43) in '84
Tim Kerr 3 to 48 (+45) in '89
Joe Nieuwendyk 5 to 51 (+46) in '88
Bernie Nicholls 32 to 70 (+38) in '89 small increase in gp
Owen Nolan 3 to 42 (+39) in '92 small increase in gp
Alexander Mogilny 39 to 76 (+37) in '93 small increase in gp
Cam Neely 11 to 50 (+39) in '94
Mario Lemieux 17 to 69 (+52) in '96 *skipped a year
Pavel Bure 13 to 58 (+45) in '00
Dany Heatley 13 to 50 (+37) in '06

lots more have come close
Phil Esposito 43 to 76 (+33) in '71 small increase in gp
Mickey Redmond 6 to 42 (+36) in '72
Lowell MacDonald 0 to 34 (+34) in 74
Guy Lafleur 21 to 53 (+32) in '75 small increase in gp
Brian Sutter 9 to 41 (+32) in '79 with less gp!
Charlie Simmer 21 to 56 (+35) in '80
Lanny McDonald 34 to 66 (+32) in '83
Pierre Larouche 18 to 48 (+30) in '84
Hakan Loob 18 to 50 (+32) in '88 small increase in gp
Craig Simpson 26 to 56 (+30) in '88 small increase in gp
Stephane Richer 20 to 50 (+30) in '88 small increase in gp
Brian Bellows 23 to 55 (+32) in '90
Brett Hull 41 to 72 (+31) in '90 small increase in gp
Gary Roberts 22 to 53 (+31) in '92 with less gp!
Wendel Clark 17 to 46 (+31)in '94 with less gp!
Mark Messier 14 to 47 (+31) in '96
Ziggy Palffy 10 to 43 (+33) in '96
Keith Tkachuk 6 to 38 (+32) in '02

some other recent big jumps
Milan Hejduk 21 to 50 (+29) in '03
Jonathan Cheechoo 28 to 56 (+28) in '06 small increase in gp *skipped a year
Brian Gionta 21 to 48 (+27) in '06 small increase in gp *skipped a year
And our very own Evgeni Malkin! 15 to 50 (+35) in '12

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Injuries aside, kessel should be getting some games off next season. Barely missed any (or did he at all?) And it showed during second half of playoffs. He was worn down.

Perfect opportunity to give Sprong a shot on Geno's right side, when kessel is out. When he's in, Sprong can be on 3rd line. Or just go back to kessel being on 3rd. Either way, Sprong will get playing time next year. And he will be in the lineup come playoff time if he does well.

They're not gonna keep him down in WBS, just because we have a logjam at wing...not when his upside is more like Guentzel..

Phil hasn't missed a game since the 2009-2010 season and that streak is why he definitely won't be rested.

 

[zero8771]

From the Stl Board:

My take after watching him last season with my Blues.

Hitch put him in positions where he was mostly with our grinders, had no PP time and very little chance to succeed at what he does best.

If a team wants to utilize his strengths, and not attempt to correct his weaknesses, but instead, put him in a place to use his strengths, he could potentially have a breakout season.

so some hf poster's opinion is somehow enough justification to offset double the ES points for hagelin and no other 2 way skills or versatility... got it

 

[Peat]

In other words old people like talking on the phone.

I think a lot of teams are probably hanging around like "if we can have him for a 1st and B prospect we'll take him" and I think there's a good chance JR has already moved on to something ing else or is holding a grudge over any shenanigans.

Sakic is probably waiting to see if Brisson can fix this.

Haha, I can imagine Rutherford calling other GMs and admitting after 30 minutes he wasn't looking to trade, he just wanted a chat.

I think he's more interested than that though. Just my guess though.

WC - maybe. That roster is bad but not that bad. And a new contract helps a lot for value. Still, if he's not going to lower his price and trade soon, I don't see his other options.

 

[Andy99]

Right on topic...enjoy. He's on board too

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...lli-maatta-daniel-sprong/stories/201706270175

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

While we are extremely slow, I like the idea of a guessing game with hopefully some realism behind it:

- Sheary 3 years 10m total. If he continues his production, he will leave Pittsburgh an extremely rich man at the age of 28. He will hit UFA and be overpaid w/ a lot of term. I think the deal is great for both teams.

- Dumo 4 years @ 3.5-4 would be beautiful.

- Schultz 6 years @ 4.25m. Here's my thinking.. we give in to the term, he gives in to a little bit of cap space. We all win.

- 3C: We sign Bones at 4 years @ 3.75. He takes a slight pay cut to stay where he's happy. We give him the extra year of term to try and even it out.

- UFA targets: Moore, Hanzal if no Bonino, and I look to target Vegas still for a 2018 draft pick for Colin Miller or a defender they are looking to get rid of.


That is a VERY favorable situation for the Pens, IMO.

Dumo 5 at 3.9m
Sheary 3 at 3m
Schultz 5 at 5.2m
Bones 4 at 3.9m
Daley and Kunitz walk.
Condon 1 at 900k
Cullen 1 at 1m

I'd probably look into trading Bones in a few years if we can find a good replacement by then. So it would be more like 2 years at 3.9m + whatever return we get. Just in time for Jake's next contract.

And I firmly believe if Yak played with Sid he would net 40+ goals and Sid would win the scoring title. Who's right??? Most likely we'll never know.

One thing Yak brings is that electric speed. What that would do for Sid would be to create time and spacing. For a guy like Sid an extra half second or extra 2ft is huge. It's also one of the reasons I have wanted Hags to roll with Sid for 10+ games and see how it looks. I remember Sully giving Hags one shift in the finals with Sid and it looked magical.

The only way Yak scores 40 goals is if he magically transforms into Sid's stick and manages not to break for a season.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Haha, I can imagine Rutherford calling other GMs and admitting after 30 minutes he wasn't looking to trade, he just wanted a chat.

I think he's more interested than that though. Just my guess though.

WC - maybe. That roster is bad but not that bad. And a new contract helps a lot for value. Still, if he's not going to lower his price and trade soon, I don't see his other options.

If Sakic hadn't played games I could see it being better but I could see JR being not gettting over that easily. This was the GM who wouldn't take a compensation pick until someone else did and his time was wasted around the TDL.

 

[Peat]

Right on topic...enjoy. He's on board too

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...lli-maatta-daniel-sprong/stories/201706270175

Well he certainly dispersuaded me.

If Sakic hadn't played games I could see it being better but I could see JR being not gettting over that easily. This was the GM who wouldn't take a compensation pick until someone else did and his time was wasted around the TDL.

Yeah, I doubt he liked that. Guess it comes down to how much he wants Duchene or a guy like him and I think it's a lot - maybe enough to overlook Sakic's tomfoolery if he gets serious.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Whatever we sign Sheary for...should get a couple more years out of him and consider trading if he prices himself out of Pitt. Wouldn't just let him walk for nothing.

But if he can get stronger each season...turning into a consistent playoff performer(has the skill...really needs to add strength so he's not pushed off the puck so easily) then just keep him.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

Some day pghkev is gonna break his arm patting himself on the back for hypothetical situations that he deems he's correct in. Dude makes Madden look modest.

Well, until it happens no one can disprove that.

OT, but I just saw Sid at the PensGear store at the Arena just walking around, picking stuff up for his family I presume. Too bad I was too shy to say anything

...

Was he picking up a MAF jersey 70% off?
I wonder what kind of discount he gets.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Dumo 5 at 3.9m
Sheary 3 at 3m
Schultz 5 at 5.2m
Bones 4 at 3.9m
Daley and Kunitz walk.
Condon 1 at 900k
Cullen 1 at 1m

Everyone but Bones, Cullen and Condon on the list above would be paid too much.

Dumo at $3.9 million despite getting zero offense from him? He should be closer to $3 million. Sheary's had one productive season. He should still be on a "show me more" contract. $2 million to $2.5 million per. And Schultz should be under $5 million. Especially if he's getting term, he should be closer to $4 million to $4.5 million.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Well he certainly dispersuaded me.



Yeah, I doubt he liked that. Guess it comes down to how much he wants Duchene or a guy like him and I think it's a lot - maybe enough to overlook Sakic's tomfoolery if he gets serious.

I thought he covered all the bases pretty well.

But Sprong's a non-starter.

 

[SUBdrewgANS]

Right on topic...enjoy. He's on board too

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...lli-maatta-daniel-sprong/stories/201706270175

Can you give us a snippet? Paywall.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

Can you give us a snippet? Paywall.

Not paywall, just *******... block.

Edit: How is advertisment blocking being censored?

 

[End of Line]

Everyone but Bones, Cullen and Condon on the list above would be paid too much.

Dumo at $3.9 million despite getting zero offense from him? He should be closer to $3 million. Sheary's had one productive season. He should still be on a "show me more" contract. $2 million to $2.5 million per. And Schultz should be under $5 million. Especially if he's getting term, he should be closer to $4 million to $4.5 million.

Dumo is going to get the same deal as Maatta most likely. If he was offered 3mil it'd be a slap in the face.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Sprong's saying all the right things coming into camp:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...ent-camp-prospect-rookie/stories/201706270121

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Not paywall, just *******... block.

Edit: How is advertisment blocking being censored?

HF kinda makes it's money through advertisements, so...

 

[Slaaapshuter]

HF kinda makes it's money through advertisements, so...

Yea sure, but the word? Come on...

 

[Peat]

Open the link in an incognito window.