kingsboy11
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I think Nolan, Clifford for sure are trade bait. He'll try and get rid of brown and Gaborik, but I'm not sure how far that'll go.
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I think Nolan, Clifford for sure are trade bait. He'll try and get rid of brown and Gaborik, but I'm not sure how far that'll go.
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Really? He is 34 and signed til 2021 at just under $5M per year. That is money that would go a long way to get a top four d-man. Is his contract as bad as Brown's? No. But it is more likely his is tradable....although it's a long shot.
edit: not to mention that he scored a 34 point pace.
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WHOneedsSOX
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Gaborik was pretty useless outside of 15 games this season. Too much cap space tied up for too long for a guy who didn't show up for 45 games. Brown at the very least kills penalties and hits people still.
agreed. Brown gets **** on for his contract (rightfully so) but for some reason Gaborik doesn't face the same scrutiny.
I would rather move Gaborik than Brown. They scored at about the same pace, but I like Brown's style of play over Gaborik even if his contract is worse.
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Gaborik is on, when 100% healthy...he led ALL scorers in goals in the 2014 playoff cup run. He had a 3 or 4 goal week, when he got injured...was coming around. He's worth more than any return you could get for him.
Still capable of 25 goals. More than half of the forwards on this team cannot even score 10 goals.
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WHOneedsSOX
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He's capable IF he's healthy and IF he's playing well. He did neither last season. He has another 15 goal season in 60 games next season and his trade value will be gone too.
The third line needs to be completely re-vamped.
King-Shore-Brown. That is awful.
For once the Kings have too much NHL depth at LW.
If Lucic re-signs, then the Kings have Lucic, Pearson, King, Clifford, Andreoff (LW/C), and even Mersch in the minors. Brown can play LW too.
Kings are weak at RW with Gaborik, Toffoli, Brown, and Nolan. No potential RW's ready in Ontario.
That's 5 (6 if you include Brown) NHL LW'ers, 1 AHL ready for action and 4 NHL RW'ers.
Lombardi has to deal 1-2 of King, Clifford or Brown.
That would open up spots for Andreoff, Mersch, and allow for a UFA.
Mersch plays a similar power game to Brown so any combo on Mersch-Shore/Dowd-Brown will be crap and Mersch and King are both 3rd line LW's, so that ain't happening. Trading Brown and putting a UFA with King-Shore/Dowd is an option, if the Kings keep Mersch down in the AHL.
Either way I would to see...
Mersch-Shore-UFA
Andreoff-Dowd-Nolan
Get rid of Clifford, King and Brown.
King-Shore-Brown. That is awful.
For once the Kings have too much NHL depth at LW.
If Lucic re-signs, then the Kings have Lucic, Pearson, King, Clifford, Andreoff (LW/C), and even Mersch in the minors. Brown can play LW too.
Kings are weak at RW with Gaborik, Toffoli, Brown, and Nolan. No potential RW's ready in Ontario.
That's 5 (6 if you include Brown) NHL LW'ers, 1 AHL ready for action and 4 NHL RW'ers.
Lombardi has to deal 1-2 of King, Clifford or Brown.
That would open up spots for Andreoff, Mersch, and allow for a UFA.
Mersch plays a similar power game to Brown so any combo on Mersch-Shore/Dowd-Brown will be crap and Mersch and King are both 3rd line LW's, so that ain't happening. Trading Brown and putting a UFA with King-Shore/Dowd is an option, if the Kings keep Mersch down in the AHL.
Either way I would to see...
Mersch-Shore-UFA
Andreoff-Dowd-Nolan
Get rid of Clifford, King and Brown.
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Mersch-Shore-UFA is not any better than King-Shore-Brown unless this UFA is someone like Parenteau or someone better. I'm not sold on Mersch being better than King yet. King is a 12-15 goal scorer in the NHL. Can Mersch be that if Sutter gives him no PP time? Any 3rd line with Shore on it is going to struggle to score. Add in Brown and it's nearly impossible.
Agreed.
The top 6 is nearly set though even without Lucic.
?? - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
The bottom 6 is crap.
Shore has struggled in his 2 years in the NHL. Dowd didn't really get a chance yet, but he is older and I don't expect much from him. Nolan, Clifford and Andreoff are all in the same category, except Andreoff put up more points than both and is cheaper.
Mersh and King are similar and both play LW. King has more experience.
Brown is too overpaid to be on the 3rd line...but he is.
Lewis is a UFA.
A bunch of garage either way. I wouldn't mind if the Kings traded or waived all the bottom 6 except King (he has value), Nolan (one of the few RW's), Mersch, Dowd, and Andreoff. Everyone else has struggled or has no value.
The top 6 is nearly set though even without Lucic.
?? - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
The bottom 6 is crap.
Shore has struggled in his 2 years in the NHL. Dowd didn't really get a chance yet, but he is older and I don't expect much from him. Nolan, Clifford and Andreoff are all in the same category, except Andreoff put up more points than both and is cheaper.
Mersh and King are similar and both play LW. King has more experience.
Brown is too overpaid to be on the 3rd line...but he is.
Lewis is a UFA.
A bunch of garage either way. I wouldn't mind if the Kings traded or waived all the bottom 6 except King (he has value), Nolan (one of the few RW's), Mersch, Dowd, and Andreoff. Everyone else has struggled or has no value.
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If all you really want is cap space then buying him out could also be considered. Doing so with either Brown or Gaborik actually saves room for the team.
A buyout for Gaborik would free up $4,610,000 this off-season if it happened. He wouldn't start counting against the cap until 2021-2022 at $1,465,000 per season until 2025-2026.
Link to Buyout Calculator
that tells me the most I would retain on Brown is 1.8M and 1.4M on Gaborik (if retention is needed)
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because I think gaborik can be unloaded without retention or with retention less than his buyout hit.
He would have a cap hit starting next year, but it would be a savings until 2021-22.
Not really true.
2016-17 Cap hit= $265K
2017-18 cap Hit= $1.265M
2018-19 Cap Hit= $1.765M
2019-20 Cap Hit = $3.165M
2020-21 Cap Hit = $3.265M
2021-2026 Cap Hit = $1.465M
I know LA needs to address its goaltending depth, but I hope it is done with a later pick. Goalies are always hard to predict development and I would rather LA use their first pick in the draft for the bets player available..However if the rankings suggest that is a goaltender than whatever..I just don't want them to feel forced to taking a tender with the 2nd rounder
I can see the Kings giving Gaborik and Brown one more year and then exposing both to the expansion draft next off season, but I doubt Las Vegas would bite on either. Then I figure both would be bought out next off season if the players do not have bounce back seasons. This or they trade Toffoli before he gets his big payday (5.5M+).
As for the draft, 51st pick and then 111th. Stop trading #1's Deano! I suppose they zero in on a RD and/or a Goalie.
As for the draft, 51st pick and then 111th. Stop trading #1's Deano! I suppose they zero in on a RD and/or a Goalie.
I just hope they take the best player available. Whomever they pick at 51 is likely at least 3 years away (if they even make it to the NHL). Who knows the needs come then. trades, injuries, domestic issues can all change the course.
BPA is the way to go.
I'm sure they wouldn't. Even if they were willing to consider these guys, it would make a lot more sense to select a young player in the expansion draft (say, Gravel) and then ask the Kings what sweeteners the Kings would be willing to throw in and how much salary would the Kings be willing to retain in a trade.
No GM is going to agree to take on Brown's full contract without getting some nice pieces in return.
I wonder if Connor Bleackley will still be there in the 4th round. I am guessing he falls to at least the 3rd round.
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Stuff like that always makes me realize just how deep every draft is.
Most of the REALLY top end talent is top-5, seems like 10 or so through like 50 are almost indistinguishable (I know there's a percentage chance of each pick 'making' the NHL but once they've made it I mean).
You really do need a whole heap of luck to land a Jamie Benn late. Hell, you even need help to have a Larkin fall into your lap. We've been pretty fortunate to pick pretty well outside the top 5.
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