2016-17 Kings Roster Part 2

[Stimpythecat]

trading one of Muzzin/Martinez, leaves the defense extremely short on NHL experience. There's no depth in case Doughty or whomever of Muzzin/Martinez we don't trade gets hurt.

That's why I don't see Dean Lombardi making a move with Muzzin/Martinez.

LaDue - 0 games
Forbort - 65 games
Gravel - 41 games

This is too many 1st and 2nd year guys to plug in there.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Forbort/Gravel are due for the dreaded sophomore slump, keep that in mind next season.

It happens to a lot of young players.

They're also both going to be 25, with now more than a couple pro years experience. A bit old for a sophomore slump. If they do catch that cold though, then it'll be yet another up and down season, with the old guys getting another year older.

trading one of Muzzin/Martinez, leaves the defense extremely short on NHL experience. There's no depth in case Doughty or whomever of Muzzin/Martinez we don't trade gets hurt.

That's why I don't see Dean Lombardi making a move with Muzzin/Martinez.

LaDue - 0 games
Forbort - 65 games
Gravel - 41 games

This is too many 1st and 2nd year guys to plug in there.

Only two ways to help the offense; trading Muzzin/Martinez for a top 6 guy before next season, or hope someone from Ontario can come in next year and be that guy.

And in a cap league, it's tough to cover every base all the time. You can't really have a contingency plan should one of your top players get hurt. Put the best team together than you can, and should Gaborik be out 20 games, Toffoli be out 20 games, or Quick be out for 50.67+ games of the season, you have to work around that.

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings need to start relying on the AHL more, and the draft picks.

Brodzinski,Amadio,Kempe guys like that.

You need to get younger and faster, also cheaper.

 

[damacles1156]

They're also both going to be 25, with now more than a couple pro years experience. A bit old for a sophomore slump. If they do catch that cold though, then it'll be yet another up and down season, with the old guys getting another year older.



Only two ways to help the offense; trading Muzzin/Martinez for a top 6 guy before next season, or hope someone from Ontario can come in next year and be that guy.

And in a cap league, it's tough to cover every base all the time. You can't really have a contingency plan should one of your top players get hurt. Put the best team together than you can, and should Gaborik be out 20 games, Toffoli be out 20 games, or Quick be out for 50.67+ games of the season, you have to work around that.

About the 100 to maybe 150 NHL game mark is where you really find out what type of NHL player you got.

Forbort/Gravel will be hitting that next year, provided they keep their jobs.

 

[HookKing]

About the 100 to maybe 150 NHL game mark is where you really find out what type of NHL player you got.

Forbort/Gravel will be hitting that next year, provided they keep their jobs.

I have yet to see Forbort take a night off this year. Gravel is harder to evaluate but I see solid shifts from him as well. They are the real deal. As others have pointed out, there are seasoned pros and I wouldn't expect an off year next year. Forbort will be in a contract year to boot.

 

[HookKing]

The Kings need to start relying on the AHL more, and the draft picks.

Brodzinski,Amadio,Kempe guys like that.

You need to get younger and faster, also cheaper.

I have to agree I still can't believe LaDue is actually got called up, very un-Sutter-like with two rookies in the lineup on D already.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I have to agree I still can't believe LaDue is actually got called up, very un-Sutter-like with two rookies in the lineup on D already.

When DS was asked about Ladue's recall, he mentioned that he had Doughty's minutes
on the right side during preseason, with Drew in the Worlds...and that Ladue is a RH,
so with Greene out and Gilbert not playing, (up to expectations ?) so Ladue is it.
Was not so much complimenting Ladue, so much. More like "He was the next right handed guy available" ...But then again, just Darryl being Darryl.

So very pleased Forbert and Gravel are doing well.
It's just too bad the Kings have NO sure fire, top end forward talent ready.
Am encouraged Kempe is doing better and that Brodzinski is excelling. Amadio seems to be playing well also. It's too bad there are no forwards ready now - and one at the Tofolli / Pearson level. I think Brodzinski may turn out to be just a cut below their level and that would be great. A 3rd liner that can snipe.

 

[Trolfoli]

When DS was asked about Ladue's recall, he mentioned that he had Doughty's minutes
on the right side during preseason, with Drew in the Worlds...and that Ladue is a RH,
so with Greene out and Gilbert not playing, (up to expectations ?) so Ladue is it.
Was not so much complimenting Ladue, so much. More like "He was the next right handed guy available" ...But then again, just Darryl being Darryl.

So very pleased Forbert and Gravel are doing well.
It's just too bad the Kings have NO sure fire, top end forward talent ready.
Am encouraged Kempe is doing better and that Brodzinski is excelling. Amadio seems to be playing well also. It's too bad there are no forwards ready now - and one at the Tofolli / Pearson level. I think Brodzinski may turn out to be just a cut below their level and that would be great. A 3rd liner that can snipe.

I don't get this. The forward group needs about one more Pearson level player and everyone would shift into where they're supposed to be. What is the deal with time? Why does it have to be now? I wouldn't bet everything on the defense winning a cup this year. They have 2 rookies and LaDue might start getting ice time. If all it took to win a cup was throw in 3 rookies, more teams would win cups. Right? It's going to take a year or 2, minimum, for the D to get the experience they need. They might find a forward by then.

 

[kingsfan28]

trading one of Muzzin/Martinez, leaves the defense extremely short on NHL experience. There's no depth in case Doughty or whomever of Muzzin/Martinez we don't trade gets hurt.

That's why I don't see Dean Lombardi making a move with Muzzin/Martinez.

LaDue - 0 games
Forbort - 65 games
Gravel - 41 games

This is too many 1st and 2nd year guys to plug in there.

That would be an interesting group going into the playoffs. The kids have to learn sometime.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That would be an interesting group going into the playoffs. The kids have to learn sometime.

Looking back at the Penguins last season, a number of their defensemen had barely played any playoff games outside of Letang, Lovejoy and Daley.

Ian Cole only had 7 playoff games with the Blues and Penguins prior to their Cup run.

Brian Dumoulin only appeared in 5 prior playoff games.

Olli Maatta had 13 previous playoff games.

Justin Schultz never played a playoff game until joining the Penguins.

So they had three veterans, and four others with varying degrees of experience.

Forbort seems far mature for a player of his experience, and Gravel really doesn't make egregious errors nor does he ever look "lost" on the ice.

They don't make the same stupid mistakes a guy like McNabb makes when he connects with tape to tape passes to the wrong team.

It certainly is a risk going with an inexperienced blueline entering into the playoffs, but it isn't impossible to succeed so long as the experience is balanced.

 

[YP44]

trading one of Muzzin/Martinez, leaves the defense extremely short on NHL experience. There's no depth in case Doughty or whomever of Muzzin/Martinez we don't trade gets hurt.

That's why I don't see Dean Lombardi making a move with Muzzin/Martinez.

LaDue - 0 games
Forbort - 65 games
Gravel - 41 games

This is too many 1st and 2nd year guys to plug in there.

you're probably right. I know he was more sheltered with Vets but I wonder if LaDue shows he can play in the NHL if it makes Muzzin/Martinez expendable. Just like JMFJ.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I don't get this. The forward group needs about one more Pearson level player and everyone would shift into where they're supposed to be. What is the deal with time? Why does it have to be now? I wouldn't bet everything on the defense winning a cup this year. They have 2 rookies and LaDue might start getting ice time. If all it took to win a cup was throw in 3 rookies, more teams would win cups. Right? It's going to take a year or 2, minimum, for the D to get the experience they need. They might find a forward by then.

It's been 3 years now, since Pearson made the jump. He was a huge contributor for that Cup in 2014. 12 points in the playoffs, as a rookie. Since then, there has been: Shore, Andreoff, and Dowd. Would have been nice to have one top 6 step in from the system, over the last 3 years, that's what I meant. I just stated 'now' though. I like Dowd's game, he's a very good player.

 

[HookKing]

Looking back at the Penguins last season, a number of their defensemen had barely played any playoff games outside of Letang, Lovejoy and Daley.

Ian Cole only had 7 playoff games with the Blues and Penguins prior to their Cup run.

Brian Dumoulin only appeared in 5 prior playoff games.

Olli Maatta had 13 previous playoff games.

Justin Schultz never played a playoff game until joining the Penguins.

So they had three veterans, and four others with varying degrees of experience.

Forbort seems far mature for a player of his experience, and Gravel really doesn't make egregious errors nor does he ever look "lost" on the ice.

They don't make the same stupid mistakes a guy like McNabb makes when he connects with tape to tape passes to the wrong team.

It certainly is a risk going with an inexperienced blueline entering into the playoffs, but it isn't impossible to succeed so long as the experience is balanced.

The irony in all this worry about "rookies" is the number 1 problem on D this year was the disastrous Martinez/Muzzin pairing. The number 2 problem (which has just gotten promoted to 1) is veteran McNabb.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The irony in all this worry about "rookies" is the number 1 problem on D this year was the disastrous Martinez/Muzzin pairing. The number 2 problem (which has just gotten promoted to 1) is veteran McNabb.

Ha, so true.

And it's weird with Muzzin and Martinez because the problem is chemistry rather than ability. I've never seen such a great combo of players reduce themselves to smoldering rubble so frequently. Self-inflicted wounds.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ha, so true.

And it's weird with Muzzin and Martinez because the problem is chemistry rather than ability. I've never seen such a great combo of players reduce themselves to smoldering rubble so frequently. Self-inflicted wounds.

They both appeared to gravitate to the same areas of the ice, which constantly led to breakdowns and often left a man open in some dangerous scoring areas.

They did not read very well off of each other from below the circles. They were a mess.

I recall Muzzin and Greene being a horrendous pairing as well. Muzzin really didn't look all that great until he was paired with Doughty. Martinez on the other hand, he was able to form a stable pairing with a sloth like Greene.

 

[Legionnaire]

Pure hypothetical for everyone here...

Let's say Lombardi somehow gets GMGM to take either Gaborik or Brown. And let's say Shattenkirk is willing to sign here for, say, 6.9m for longer term (symbolically less than DD). Would you do it?

Shatty is RHD, he would replace Voynov's role, behind DD. On the left we have Forbort, Muzzin, Martinez. LaDue and Gravel can play bottom pair. Now we can deal a 4m LHD, recouping future assets and freeing up more cap space for TT and Tanner.

No. That is way too much money. If Shatty gets that then what is Doughty going to want? 20 million?

 

[Trolfoli]

It's been 3 years now, since Pearson made the jump. He was a huge contributor for that Cup in 2014. 12 points in the playoffs, as a rookie. Since then, there has been: Shore, Andreoff, and Dowd. Would have been nice to have one top 6 step in from the system, over the last 3 years, that's what I meant. I just stated 'now' though. I like Dowd's game, he's a very good player.

Kempe or Brodz might get a call up, if the Kings are still playing after the AHL season is over.

There seems to be a rush from some about making the playoffs this year. Just think with all the turnover and Quick still being a question mark, anything the Kings do if they make the playoffs is just gravy.

On a separate note, yes the Pens used some rookies, and didn't have the greatest D, but they moved the puck up ice and used forward pressure to take the focus off their D. The Kings system focuses on their D so the same things won't work for the Kings.

The irony in all this worry about "rookies" is the number 1 problem on D this year was the disastrous Martinez/Muzzin pairing. The number 2 problem (which has just gotten promoted to 1) is veteran McNabb.

It's pretty clear McNabb isn't 100% from his injury as his puck handling/passing has never been as bad as it was the last couple games. It took Pearson a year to get back to form after a broken leg. It's quite possible that his body is still adjusting. Bones heal in 6-8 weeks, but then you have to rehab the muscles/ligaments and there is stiffness and soreness that go with that. Then he has to get back to game speed on top of that. Look at Gaborik, he's still rounding into form. It's going to take time.

Ha, so true.

And it's weird with Muzzin and Martinez because the problem is chemistry rather than ability. I've never seen such a great combo of players reduce themselves to smoldering rubble so frequently. Self-inflicted wounds.

Really think Muzzin needs to be moved. He struggles moving the puck up the ice. He's probably better on defense then Forbort at this point, but Forbort is more effective because of his ability to clear the zone. It takes pressure off Martinez as he isn't the only option and doesn't get over played.

McNabb is in the same boat as Muzzin, but his cap hit and his physicality allows him to play on the 3rd pair.

I really want to see what happens if the Kings could add another "top 4D" that can effectively transition the puck. 4 guys in the top 4 that can move it. That's how you speed up the transition game not needing the D to D pass to get out of the zone.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Before anyone suggests it, no, the Kings would have no interest picking up Mike Riberio off waivers.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Before anyone suggests it, no, the Kings would have no interest picking up Mike Riberio off waivers.

**** that piece of **** human being. Excrement on skates that will rat out all game but won't back up his **** and will thus hang his teammates out to dry time after time. That guy does NOT fit here.

No. That is way too much money. If Shatty gets that then what is Doughty going to want? 20 million?

It is way too much money, but someone will pay it. A lot of teams need a #2-3 RHD even if he's a defensive liability. Put it this way--what would teams be willing to pay a UFA Voynov? Shattenkirk is basically the more offensive, less defensive version.

 

[Legionnaire]

I don't disagree that he will get big bucks. I was more saying that we don't have the money to spend.

 

[lumbergh]

Forbort/Gravel are due for the dreaded sophomore slump, keep that in mind next season.

It happens to a lot of young players.

Like who?

Boy those second years sure sucked for Crosby, Malkin, Kopitar, Doughty, Bergeron, Hossa, Toews, Kane, Tavares, Giroux, Thornton, Stamkos, Ovechkin. The vast majority of players improve or have equivalent seasons in their second year vs. first year.

I think this "sophomore slump" thing is just made up because people like alliteration.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Like who?

Boy those second years sure sucked for Crosby, Malkin, Kopitar, Doughty, Bergeron, Hossa, Toews, Kane, Tavares, Giroux, Thornton, Stamkos, Ovechkin. The vast majority of players improve or have equivalent seasons in their second year vs. first year.

I think this "sophomore slump" thing is just made up because people like alliteration.

To be fair, you did name just one second round pick. Most of those guys being top of the draft type picks. That's a bit different than Gravel, or even a more defensive player like Forbort that was taken in the middle of the 1st round.

The sophomore slump thing is usually for 19-20 year old's, not guys in their mid 20's that have been in a pro environment for a couple years. You can't discount the possibility though. It's not easy playing consistent defense at the NHL level. Those top forwards will find a flaw. 50 short games ago nobody knew for sure if Forbort or Gravel could play, so, we have to hope they can keep improving.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Aw man, we're gonna get in on the front end of another Philly winning streak like always, aren't we?

 

[dman3474]

Like who?

Boy those second years sure sucked for Crosby, Malkin, Kopitar, Doughty, Bergeron, Hossa, Toews, Kane, Tavares, Giroux, Thornton, Stamkos, Ovechkin. The vast majority of players improve or have equivalent seasons in their second year vs. first year.

I think this "sophomore slump" thing is just made up because people like alliteration.

Go check out ghosts numbers in philly, he was a healthy scratch a few times this year including last game and looks to be out for the game against us tomorrow too.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Before anyone suggests it, no, the Kings would have no interest picking up Mike Riberio off waivers.

Why not? He has about $1.3MM cap hit for the second half of the season, his contract ends end of this year, and he is on pace for 40-50 points this year. He would be perfect on our third line, or we can play him as our second line center and move Carter to the wing.

If he sucks and is horrible defensively, we can just scratch him or waive him. We have a ton of cap space this season, why not take a chance without losing a draft pick for a rental?