Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Weaver would be an excellent pick up. He will price himself out of the Rangers range because he had an excellent playoff for the Habs (2nd most important dman for them behind Subban IMO). Any talk of him re-upping with MTL?

Oh god no. What a nuisance to play against in the ECF.

 

[NYR Viper]

What makes you think Winnik will make less than Dorsett?

That move isn't about cap movement as much as getting another player. Although:

3rd '14 (acquired dealing Dorsett) + Winnik @ 1.8 (current contract > Dorsett

 

[silverfish]

I didn't mind him until he started pulling some seriously stupid **** late in the season & during the playoffs.

Stupid penalties. Provides bulletin board material to incentivize other teams to play with a chip on their shoulder against us - see: Dorsett icing Montreal kid in pregame warm ups (Rangers lose 7-4). He's fast alright, and that may be his only redeemable quality. Terrible stick handling. Out of position often. I think he misses the net more often than Del Zotto does on shots, and that's damn near impossible. Can't stay on his feet.

He brings far more negative to the table than positive.

The only (somewhat sarcastic) reason I'd ever consider Carter over him is so that he doesn't destroy the face of another one of our players. He broke Dubi's nose and bloodied up Bickels. Not a good reason, and not likely that we do this, but Dorsett criticism is beyond fair IMO.

This is still the dumbest thing I've ever heard or seen. He was trying to ice the Habs players coming on to the ice, not the kid. No one in their right mind would do that to a kid. There's no way DD did.

This is the guy who broke his leg on the PK for the Rangers and finished the shift. Which everyone loved. Then he came back from injury, played the same game minus the PKing because Nash took over, and everyone hated him and fell in love with Carcillo, who did 1000 times the stupid **** Dorsett does, and no one cares.

And FWIW, 62% of DD's shots hit the net. Del Zotto? 45.2%

 

[Gardner McKay]

That move isn't about cap movement as much as getting another player. Although:

3rd '14 (acquired dealing Dorsett) + Winnik @ 1.8 (current contract > Dorsett

The fact that you actually think we can get Winnik for 1.8 million...

 

[NYR Viper]

The fact that you actually think we can get Winnik for 1.8 million...

Why not? He makes that currently. He is a winger, not a center. Wjhat do you think he will get, facepalm and all?

And if that's what you took from that post, then you missed the larger point.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

People throw **** at the wall to see what sticks and then ***** and moan when Sather doesn't make those moves (which is because they are flat out un****ing realistic).

"I think we should sign Winnik for 2 million". Great. Makes perfect sense. Except the part where another team offers him 3 million. Then commences the annual Sather ***** fest about how he has no vision for this team and he can't make the smart moves other GM's make, etc.

I could see the Winnik stuff. But cannot see Carcillo getting a penny over 1 mill.

Winnik could also have fallen on a trap of being a HF product of hype. Fans fall in love w/ players and overvalue them.

A big reason why Boyle is getting such a big pay day is because he had a lot of exposure in the playoffs. He was a story line. He played out of his mind. Many teams saw that. Many teams could sell him as an improvement to their fans.

Winnik? He plays in the Western Conference - 1. Meaning a lot of Eastern Conference fans wouldn't have been able to see the Ducks play consistently enough to know what he provides. Two, his team was out in the 2nd round, meaning that there wasn't that much public exposure and opportunity for him to increase his value. It's pretty bad that the Ducks set out a report that they deliberately would not try to resign him in favor of younger more inexperienced players. It gives the impression that he's older and less energetic.

Prust got such a big contract because he had gotten a lot of exposure going to the ECF the season before he got the contract. It's part of the contract negotiations. Winnik isn't going to get that same benefit.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

This is still the dumbest thing I've ever heard or seen. He was trying to ice the Habs players coming on to the ice, not the kid. No one in their right mind would do that to a kid. There's no way DD did.

This is the guy who broke his leg on the PK for the Rangers and finished the shift. Which everyone loved. Then he came back from injury, played the same game minus the PKing because Nash took over, and everyone hated him and fell in love with Carcillo, who did 1000 times the stupid **** Dorsett does, and no one cares.

And FWIW, 62% of DD's shots hit the net. Del Zotto? 45.2%

The statistic is surprising.

And I don't see a point in the argument of why it would have been better to ice the players over the kid. Doing either is stupid and would incense the team regardless... whether it be a player or the kid.

 

[GAGLine]

And FWIW, 62% of DD's shots hit the net. Del Zotto? 45.2%

I like Dorsett, but this is a really odd way to defend him.

 

[NYR Viper]

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2014-2015 (30)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD (13)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit| Status |Team| Drafted |Age
1 | F| Stepan, Derek |$3,075,000| RFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R2 #51 NYR (2008)| 23
2 | F| Hagelin, Carl| $2,250,000| RFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R6 #168 NYR (2007)| 25
3 | F | Miller, J.T. (ELC) | $1,244,167* |RFA 2015 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011)| 20
4 |F | Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) |$900,000*| RFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R6 #157 NYR (2010)| 22
5 | F | St Louis, Marty| $5,625,000| UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| Undrafted| 39
6 |D | Staal, Marc | $3,975,000| UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #12 NYR (2005)| 27
7 |F | Dorsett, Derek| $1,633,333| UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)| 27
8 | G | Talbot, Cameron| $562,600| UFA 2015| New York Rangers/NHL| Undrafted (started w NYR)| 26
9 |D | Kline, Kevin | $2,900,000 | UFA 2018| New York Rangers/NHL | R2 #37 Nashville Predators(2003)| 29
10 | F| Nash, Rick (NMC??)| $7,800,000| UFA 2019| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #1 Columbus Blue Jackets (2002)| 29
11 | D| McDonagh, Ryan |$4,700,000| UFA 2019| New York Rangers/NHL| R1 #12 Montreal (2007) |24
12 |D| Girardi, Dan (NMC => NTC)| $5,500,000| UFA 2020| New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 29
13 |G| Lundqvist, Henrik (NMC)| $8,500,000| UFA 2021| New York Rangers/NHL| R7 #208 NYR (2000)| 32[/table]

ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL (17)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit| Status |Team| Drafted |Age
14 | D | McIlrath, Dylan (ELC) |$1,295,000* |RFA 2015 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #10 NYR (2010) | 21
15 |F | Yogan, Andrew (ELC) | $800,000* |RFA 2015 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #100 NYR (2010) | 22
16 |F | Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) |$760,000* |RFA 2015 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #57 PHX (2010) |22
17 |F |Hrivik, Marek (ELC) |$685,000* |RFA 2015 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 22
18 |D | Allen, Connor (ELC) |$1,775,000* |RFA 2016 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 24
19 |D |Zámorský, Petr (ELC) | ~$925,000?? |RFA 2016 |HC Zlin |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
20 |D |Hughes, Tommy (ELC) | $608,333 |RFA 2016 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 21
21 |D |Bodie, Matt (ELC) |$925.000 |RFA 2016 |Union College |Undrafted (started w NYR) |24
22 |F |Haggerty, Ryan (ELC) |$925.000 |RFA 2016 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 21
23 | F |Nicholls, J. (ELC) | $709,167 |RFA 2016 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)| 21
24 |D |Noreau, Samuel (ELC) |$685,000 |RFA 2016 |Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL |R5 #136 NYR(2011) |21
25 |F |St. Croix, M. (ELC) | $665,000 |RFA 2016 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #106 NYR (2011) |20
26 |F |Kantor, Michael (ELC) | $583,333 |RFA 2016 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 22
27 |F |Chris McCarthy (ELC) |$692,500 |RFA 2016 |NCAA - U of Vermont |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 22
28 | D | Donnay, Troy (ELC) | $716,667* |RFA 2017 |Juniors - London Knights/OHL |Undrafted (started w NYR)| 20
29 |G |Skapski, Mackenzie (ELC) |$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Kootenay/WHL |R6 #170 NYR(2013) |19
30 |D |Andersson, Calle (ELC) |$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Zug Switzerland - loaned |R4 #119 NYR (2012)| 19
(31) | F | Duclair, Anthony (ELC-S) |$820,000* |RFA 2017 |Juniors - Québec Remparts/QMJHL |R3 #80 NYR(2013)| 18
(32) |D |Ryan Graves (ELC-S) |$660.000 |RFA 2018 |Juniors - PEI/QMJHL |R4 #110 NYR(2013) |18[/table]

2014 OFFSEASON UFAs
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit 2013/2014| Team 2013/2014| Drafted |Age |Signed with |New caphit
1 |D |Stralman, Anton | $1,700,000 | New York Rangers/NHL | R7 #216 Toronto (2005) |27||
2 |F |Boyle, Brian |$1,700,000 | New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003) |29||
3 |F |Pouliot, Benoit | $1,300,000 | New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #4 Minnesota Wild (2005)| 27||
4 |D |Diaz, Rafael |$1,225,000 | New York Rangers/NHL | Undrafted |28||
5 |F |Moore, Dominic | $1,000,000 | New York Rangers/NHL| R4 #95 NYR (2000) |33||
6 |F |Carcillo, Dan |$825,000 | New York Rangers/NHL | R3 #73 Pittsburgh Penguins (2003)| 29||
7 |F |Powe, Darroll |$1,066,667 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted |28||
8 |F |Asham, Arron |$1,000,000 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL | R3 #71 Montreal (1996) |35||
9 |D |Bickel, Stu |$750,000 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (basically started w NYR)| 27||
10 |F |Haley, Micheal| $600,000 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL | Undrafted |27||
11 |D |Johnson, Aaron | $600,000 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL | R3 #85 Columbus Blue Jackets (2001)| 30||
12 |D |Syvret, Danny |$587,500 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #81 Edmonton Oilers (2005) |28||
13 |G |LeNeveu, David | $550,000 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #46 Phoenix Coyotes (2002) |30||[/table]

OFFSEASON RFAs
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit 2013/2014|Team| Drafted |Age |Signed with |New caphit
1 | F | Brassard, Derick | $3,200,000 | New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)| 26||
2 | F | Kreider, Chris (ELC) | $1,325,000* | New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |22||
3 | F | Zuccarello, Mats | $1,150,000 | New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26||
4 | D | Falk, Justin |$975,000 | New York Rangers/NHL |R4 #110 Minnesota Wild (2007) |25||
5 | D | Moore, John (ELC) |$965,000 | New York Rangers/NHL | R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)| 23||
6 | F | Kristo, Danny (ELC) |$1,300,000* | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL | R2 #56 Montreal Canadians (2008)| 23||
7 | F | Jean, Kyle (ELC) |$925,000* | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |24||
8 | F | Bourque, Ryan (ELC) |$900,000* | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #80 NYR (2009) |23||
9 | G | Missiaen, Jason (ELC) |$750,000* | Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| Undrafted (started w NYR)| 23||
10 | G | Stajcer, Scott (ELC) | $700,000* | Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL| R5 #140 NYR (2009) |22||
11 |F | Wilson, Jason (ELC) |$588,333 | Wichita Thunder/CHL |R5 #130 NYR (2010) |23||
12 |F | Beach, Kyle |$550,000 | Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #11 Chicago Blackhawks (2008) |24||[/table]

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (there are likely a few more here I believe)
[table="head;width=4200]Pos |Player |Team |Drafted |Age
F |Fogarty, Steven| Notre Dame Fighting Irish/NCAA |R3 #72 NYR (2011)| 20
F |Nieves, Cristoval| Michigan Wolverines/NCAA| R2 #59 NYR (2012)| 20
F |Adam Tambellini| Calgary Hitmen/WHL| R3 #65 NYR (2013)| 19
D |Skjei, Brady | Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA| R1 #28 NYR (2012)| 19
F |Pavel Buchnevich| Cherepovets/KHL| R3 #75 NYR (2013)| 18[/table]

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract

2014 DRAFT PICKS
2nd round NYR
3rd round NYR
4th round NYR
5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
6th round NYR

We lost our 1st rounder in 2014 in the Marty St Louis trade with Tampa Bay
We lost our 2014 5th rounder to San José in the Ryan Clowe trade in 2013 with San Jose as the predetermined conditions were met
The Rangers acquired Columbus’ 2014 6th round pick along with Derick Brassard, Derek Dorsett and John Moore from Colmbus in exchange for Marian Gaborik, Blake Parlett and Steve Delisle. The Rangers then traded Columbus’ 2014 6th round pick along with Benn Ferriero to Minnesota in exchange for Justin Falk.
We lost our 7th rounder in 2014 (conditional) to The LA Kings in the Danny Carcillo trade. Condition being that if Carcillo spends the rest of the season on the Rangers’ roster, Los Angeles gets the pick

2015 DRAFT PICKS
2nd round NYR
3rd round NYR
4th round NYR
6th round NYR
7th round NYR

We lost our 2015 1st rounder in the Marty St Louis trade with Tampa Bay.
We lost our 2015 5th rounder in the trade with Vancouver that brought us Rafael Diaz
Conditional picks in 2015 - We will receive a second-round pick in 2015 if Ryan Callahan is re-signed by Tampa Bay for the 2014–15 NHL season. But we will then also loose our 7th round pick.

This is a very good post from the 3rd thread by BBkers

 

[Gardner McKay]

Why not? He makes that currently. He is a winger, not a center. WHat do you think he will get, facepalm and all?

At least 2.5 million. As Raspwetin pointed out, he will be highly coveted. Winnik, like Boyle, will be looking to cash in on desperate GM's who are willing to pay them to be 3rd line centers.

Id go as far as to make an avatar bet with you that he won't sign for a penny less then 2.5 million and in reality I really think he signs for closer to 3 million.

 

[silverfish]

I like Dorsett, but this is a really odd way to defend him.

I only brought it up because Rust did

My God, dude, you're really on my ass today!

 

[Elevate]

If we got Winnik it would be to replace Boyle on the 4th line LW and PK squad, don't see much point in replacing Dorsett with him. If we were to get another RW for that line it'd be to save some cap space. I'd be okay with giving that ice time to Fast. But Dorsett is pretty good at being annoying and sometimes it's quite entertaining.

 

[Championship*]

That's some excellent work there, detective. Google "Kesler, Rangers" and it must be true.

Also, the most recent stuff is more accurate?

So Boomer reporting that MSL to Rangers had legs during the Olympics and Dreger (ironically a guy you just referenced) giving daily updates all the way leading up to the deadline that there were no legs surely meant that he was the more accurate of the two?

Also Dreger is constantly wrong. He was reporting that Ulf was the favorite for Carolina for days. He constantly spouts **** about how the Maple Leafs are getting huge hauls for their dump players. I'd reckon that over the last year, he has been more wrong than right.

And the "others" that you're talking about, I'd almost bet that they quoted and referenced the NYPost report about the subject and didn't have any first hand knowledge on the situation.

It's a common part of journalism - write something & publish it... let it fester for a few days... refute it several days later... let it fester... come back to it at a later time. It's not correct, but it's common practice.

But whatever you say bossman. Keep on doing you.

Brooks, Dreger, Custance, Strang - that's what you get when you google it. All saying that he isn't coming to play for AV. All I've done is provide proof from credible sources. All you've done is none of that.

And BTW, Santa Claus doesn't exist either.

 

[Fugazy]

If we got Winnik it would be to replace Boyle on the 4th line LW and PK squad, don't see much point in replacing Dorsett with him. If we were to get another RW for that line it'd be to save some cap space. I'd be okay with giving that ice time to Fast. But Dorsett is pretty good at being annoying and sometimes it's quite entertaining.

Never seen that before

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I only brought it up because Rust did

My God, dude, you're really on my ass today!

The Del Zotto comparison was someone sarcastic somewhat truthful. I''m shocked that he hits the net 62% of the time, though.

I swear, the guy misses the net every time I see him take a shot.

 

[silverfish]

The Del Zotto comparison was someone sarcastic somewhat truthful. I''m shocked that he hits the net 62% of the time, though.

I swear, the guy misses the net every time I see him take a shot.

That's his regular season number. It was quite lower in the playoffs, which I'm sure is where most of your memory is coming from, but still higher than Del Zotto's

 

[Gardner McKay]

Never seen that before

Reminds me of this.

 

[Vitto79]

If we got Winnik it would be to replace Boyle on the 4th line LW and PK squad, don't see much point in replacing Dorsett with him. If we were to get another RW for that line it'd be to save some cap space. I'd be okay with giving that ice time to Fast. But Dorsett is pretty good at being annoying and sometimes it's quite entertaining.

What happens if pouliott goes for a multi yr elsewhere ? He shouldn't but could get greedy

Who's on the list if ufas then ? Winnik maybe

 

[Gardner McKay]

Brooks, Dreger, Custance, Strang - that's what you get when you google it. All saying that he isn't coming to play for AV. All I've done is provide proof from credible sources. All you've done is none of that.

And BTW, Santa Claus doesn't exist either.

What...? No Santa?


There is no way Kesler is coming here. A. He will be too expensive. B. You are right, he doesn't want to come here . Im not even sure how any one is debating this with you.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Why not? He makes that currently. He is a winger, not a center. Wjhat do you think he will get, facepalm and all?

And if that's what you took from that post, then you missed the larger point.

It is hard to see the larger point when the smaller point isn't logical.

 

[GAGLine]

I only brought it up because Rust did

My God, dude, you're really on my ass today!

Lol, I don't mean to be. I just thought it was strange to compare a 4th line winger to a 3rd pair offensive dman who's no longer on our team, especially one like DZ who has a penchant for missing the net.

 

[NikC]

lolwut?

Dorsett is fast as **** and CarteDorsetinch taller than him. Literally the only games Carter can score in are against the Rangers.

The hate for Dorsett is absolutely hilarious and mind boggling.

Im not impressed with Dorsett. You are. Great.

Hes fast and dumb, can't fight. Doesn't intimidate...

Im not as hung up on Carter as much as I want something better than Dorsett

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Reminds me of this.

LOL What is the story behind this?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

One more thing about Stralman.. The Rangers if they sign him will have over 20M tied up in a defense that quite frankly outside of Ryan Mcdonagh is inept at putting up points. Klein/Stralman/Diaz/Girardi/Staal/Moore together had 63 points. I can see why the Rangers have interest in Boyle

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Sather...****ing do something already. I have 0 patience