Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV

[Infinitum Vitae*]

If Miller was going to play I'd rather keep him at his natural position

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Maybe we let Stralman walk, and since Brian Boyle wants a bigger role, he can play defense for us. Just make sure he watches a lot of video of Chara and has John Moore teach him how to skate.

You do know he did play defenseman when he was younger right?

 

[bernmeister]

Losing Stralman and Pouliot will likely hurt us big time in the short term.

Not feeling as good about next season as I was before.

Nah, Poo we couldn't leverage.
Only way we could max on him now would be to sign him, then trade him AND Brass AND Zuc (both extended) in a package deal.

That's like buying a clock factory to get best possible cost on a nice watch.

Ok, I'm not above it, but not for Poo.

So bottom line, Poo is someone we were always gonna throw back.

Stralman wants security AND peace of mind for the family.
I would tell him this is the deal:
I'll give you 6 years at a flat 4m per.
But, we wanna be ready in 2 years in case Stamkos wants to come here, and we will certainly need space before that.
So I scratched your back with 6 years.
I want extensive trade clause.
You can name any 6 teams in the league which you identify in beginning of the year, and have veto power for them (can change year to year).

Now I can trade you at 4m over 6 if I wish.
If you are traded, you get contingency bonus clause 1m.

We have a shot there.
But almost anything else not as flexible as that for us may not work.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

You do know he did play defenseman when he was younger right?

Not really.

He was always a forward, but because of injuries in his senior year at BC, he offered to fill in on defense for the remainder of the season.

That's a story that always gets exaggerated into "Boyle used to be a defenseman."

 

[Tawnos]

Maybe we let Stralman walk, and since Brian Boyle wants a bigger role, he can play defense for us. Just make sure he watches a lot of video of Chara and has John Moore teach him how to skate.

Maybe we're misunderstanding an he actually wants a bigger roll as part of his contract. Like this.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Nah, Poo we couldn't leverage.
Only way we could max on him now would be to sign him, then trade him AND Brass AND Zuc (both extended) in a package deal.

That's like buying a clock factory to get best possible cost on a nice watch.

Ok, I'm not above it, but not for Poo.

So bottom line, Poo is someone we were always gonna throw back.

Stralman wants security AND peace of mind for the family.
I would tell him this is the deal:
I'll give you 6 years at a flat 4m per.
But, we wanna be ready in 2 years in case Stamkos wants to come here, and we will certainly need space before that.
So I scratched your back with 6 years.
I want extensive trade clause.
You can name any 6 teams in the league which you identify in beginning of the year, and have veto power for them (can change year to year).

Now I can trade you at 4m over 6 if I wish.
If you are traded, you get contingency bonus clause 1m.

We have a shot there.
But almost anything else not as flexible as that for us may not work.

Do you really think that's how these negotiations work?

"We wanna be ready for Stamkos..."

Seriously?

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

maybe we're misunderstanding an he actually wants a bigger roll as part of his contract. Like this.

get it done, slats!

 

[eco's bones]

Not really.

He was always a forward, but because of injuries in his senior year at BC, he offered to fill in on defense for the remainder of the season.

That's a story that always gets exaggerated into "Boyle used to be a defenseman."

Actually he played a month or so of defense for Manchester in the AHL as well.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

A lot of ****ing unwarranted Girardi hate here.

The guy has been a warrior for this team for a long time.

I expect nothing less than him sacrificing his body for this team for the next 6 years.

His cap hit isn't killing us. There's 29 other teams in the NHL that would love to have Dan Girardi at that cap hit.

I think his turnovers in the SCF has really soured a lot of your perspectives on just how good/important he is.

 

[Tawnos]

So... what do you think the chances are that Dale Tallon's "really good offer" for #1 came from the Rangers?

 

[bernmeister]

yeah if were trading Staal to Winnipeg id want it to be as part of a package getting Byuf/Bogo & Kane here. Big deal, would need a lot of moving parts. Could be doable though.

I dont want to move Hagelin...at all, but I'd love to see this team next season....

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Kane - Grabovski - MSL
Pouliot - Brassard - Zucc
Fasth - Lindberg - Miller (probably have to go all kids to make it work cap wise..and even then it probably doesnt work...)

Girardi - McD
???? - Byuf
Moore - Klein


I bet it doesnt work cap wise, but you get what i mean. Could be a ridiculous team.

Don't be greedy.
Forget Bogo, esp, forget Buf

EKane IF the cost is low enough.
Girardi loves up north, this is not Toronto, but he might go to Wild, or Buf or here. would move his salary free cap for us. For Jets, would be another RD so they could flip one or two.

Would be more than just Girardi, but that would = part of the whole price.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Actually he played a month or so of defense for Manchester in the AHL as well.

Yeah, he played defense in the AHL. It didn't go very well IIRC. I don't know what he's talking about.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

A lot of ****ing unwarranted Girardi hate here.

The guy has been a warrior for this team for a long time.

I expect nothing less than him sacrificing his body for this team for the next 6 years.

His cap hit isn't killing us. There's 29 other teams in the NHL that would love to have Dan Girardi at that cap hit.

I think his turnovers in the SCF has really soured a lot of your perspectives on just how good/important he is.

I agree with this 100% luckily Rangers mgmt don't overreact like fans do

 

[Ola]

“@TSNBobMcKenzie: Many agents believe cap could be as high as $75M for 2015-16, continue to escalate rapidly. Double digit AAV for superstars may be new norm.â€

Noooo, will the cap keep going up rapidly??? What a suprise. :facepalm

NHL experts...

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think most of us expected to lose Stralman and Boyle for sure. I thought we would end up keeping Pouilot but I may be wrong there..

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

So... what do you think the chances are that Dale Tallon's "really good offer" for #1 came from the Rangers?

Fairly low. I don't see what we'd have to offer, really. I doubt they'd move the #1 for players like Nash and/or Staal.

 

[Hire Sather]

Yet again, I have to wonder what the front office is doing with their time.

Why hasn't at least Dominic Moore been re-signed? Why are we the slowest team in the league when it comes to offering our players contracts?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

What's the deal with Kristo? Do you guys think there's any chance he has a good camp and surprises some people?

 

[bernmeister]

Morin would be an ideal replacement.

In another thread, asking price was 2nd +, and there were late 1sts + offered.
Who could we offer?

 

[Ian]

A lot of ****ing unwarranted Girardi hate here.

The guy has been a warrior for this team for a long time.

I expect nothing less than him sacrificing his body for this team for the next 6 years.

His cap hit isn't killing us. There's 29 other teams in the NHL that would love to have Dan Girardi at that cap hit.

I think his turnovers in the SCF has really soured a lot of your perspectives on just how good/important he is.

You are correct in noting that his poor SCF play is prompting desires to trade him, but at the same time, he's pretty much the exact opposite of a prototypical defensemen for the AV system.

From a pure style of play standpoint, it makes more sense to move him as opposed to Staal/Stralman.

Either way, I don't think he gets traded this year, but I won't be surprised if he's shopped next offseason.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Yet again, I have to wonder what the front office is doing with their time.

Why hasn't at least Dominic Moore been re-signed? Why are we the slowest team in the league when it comes to offering our players contracts?

I said the same thing to my dad, you'd think they'd announce a two year deal for Moore at least by now. Just get that out of the way before he feels slighted and signs elsewhere.

 

[Tawnos]

Yet again, I have to wonder what the front office is doing with their time.

Why hasn't at least Dominic Moore been re-signed? Why are we the slowest team in the league when it comes to offering our players contracts?

I don't know why people are so impatient with this stuff. 12 teams in the league have signed players to deals since the SCF ended. That's it. We aren't the slowest. We are equal with 17 other teams.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

You are correct in noting that his poor SCF play is prompting desires to trade him, but at the same time, he's pretty much the exact opposite of a prototypical defensemen for the AV system.

From a pure style of play standpoint, it makes more sense to move him as opposed to Staal/Stralman.

Either way, I don't think he gets traded this year, but I won't be surprised if he's shopped next offseason.

I'm not one of these people that obsesses over the fact that every player needs to fit a certain system.

Girardi plays 25 minute a game, blocks shots, gets beaten up badly and is a competitor. I don't care what system I run, that guy has a spot on my team any day of the week.

He's definitely not as bad with the puck as people make him out to be. Several times this year, playoffs included, he's made breakaway passes to Brass, Hags, etc.

I think perhaps another reasons fans have soured on him is because for some reason he's on the ****ing PP. He really shouldn't be on the PP, at all.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

In another thread, asking price was 2nd +, and there were late 1sts + offered.
Who could we offer?

Well, we have two 2nds in 2015 now - so I would offer something like #59 + TB's 2015 2nd.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I don't know why people are so impatient with this stuff. 12 teams in the league have signed players to deals since the SCF ended. That's it. We aren't the slowest. We are equal with 17 other teams.

Because we have like 10 FAs and don't want to lose all of them. :hyperbole: