Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread IV

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Part of the reason he was dealt is they knew this was going to be a hard negotiation

Spaling is a player i would be interested in.

 

[LORDE]

Can't wait until Kesler is traded to somewhere that isn't here so people stop bringing him up as an option.

Maybe I'm missing something but I thought at the trade deadline when he said he didn't want to play for AV anymore people stopped bringing it up.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Not believing this french canadian. He's probably still butthurt about us knocking off his precious Montreal Canadiens. Why aren't any of the NY reporters reporting this?

WOAT post ever. That is probably the best source out their as far as French Canadian players go. Last I checked Pouliot wasn't an Anglo name.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Maybe I'm missing something but I thought at the trade deadline when he said he didn't want to play for AV anymore people stopped bringing it up.

No, even that didn't stop people from bringing him up.

 

[offdacrossbar]

i think we need to be careful. we may be losing important guys from last years team and just plugging in the next guy in line wont work.

its not that easy.

chemistry and mojo formed last season during that epic run isnt easliy replaced.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

You deal in a complete lack of context. You deal in arbitrary declarations of what's good and what isn't rather than putting actual thought into matters. This is how we get people saying Klein's just as good as Stralman because points. Here's an absolute for you: Good process serves as a better indicator of future production than does past production. If you think Kane is better than Kreider then make an actual case for it.

Hockey stats sites are usually free.

I'd like to think that fans aren't homers and understand when a player is statistically better than a peer.

But my point was to not trade Kreider for Kane. My point was to add Kane and keep Kreider.

If people want to argue semantics (attitude, etc) that's fine.

Kane is a proven 3o-goal scorer in the NHL. Kreider isnt.

There.

Happy?

 

[Elevate]

I'm not really a stats guy, but couldn't that also be based on who the forward are on the ice? For example, who played the most with the Brassard line. They play a much heavier puck possession game.

You're very right, forwards could be driving the corsi numbers but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Richards, Brassard and Zucc undeniably shoot the puck a lot, but they seem to get more opportunities to shoot when Stralman is on the ice.

 

[19Rangers94]

The naked eye told us Stralman was one of the best, if not the best defensemen in his own end during the last two rounds postseason.

During the regular season he was very steady and consistent. The important thing was the continuity Vigneault inherited.

If letting Stralman walk means locking up Boyle and Moore, promoting Klein and calling up McIlrath, I'm fine with it.

I just don't see the defense crumbling if Stralman walks.

My concern is McIlrath, I don't think he is fast enough on his skates for NHL and NYR, especially when Speed is NYR game style.

 

[NYR Viper]

My concern is McIlrath, I don't think he is fast enough on his skates for NHL and NYR, especially when Speed is NYR game style.

Why do you say that? His straight ahead speed is very good, especially for a player is size. As far as joining a rush, he is a good skater

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Jesper Fast could probably produce at the same clip shooting at his measly 1.5 shot per game average on a line w/ Zucc.

There is no evidence of this whatsoever, like most of the replacements you've framed as being an easy transition.

This one is especially egregious considering Fast has been a passenger in ever sense of the word during his NHL games thus far.

 

[NikC]

Hockey stats sites are usually free.

I'd like to think that fans aren't homers and understand when a player is statistically better than a peer.

But my point was to not trade Kreider for Kane. My point was to add Kane and keep Kreider.

If people want to argue semantics (attitude, etc) that's fine.

Kane is a proven 3o-goal scorer in the NHL. Kreider isnt.

There.

Happy?

You get it. Kane and Buff are players the rangers should target. not retreads and bargain bin former first round flops

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Exactly.

More points.

Better.

I deal in absolutes.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

 

[Zil]

Hockey stats sites are usually free.

I'd like to think that fans aren't homers and understand when a player is statistically better than a peer.

But my point was to not trade Kreider for Kane. My point was to add Kane and keep Kreider.

If people want to argue semantics (attitude, etc) that's fine.

Kane is a proven 3o-goal scorer in the NHL. Kreider isnt.

There.

Happy?

Anything that pushes posters in the direction of making fact-based arguments instead of calling Stralman a seventh inning reliever makes me happier. That said, Kane is a proven 30 goal scorer in the same way that Petr Prucha is. He's done it once.

There is no evidence of this whatsoever, like most of the replacements you've framed as being an easy transition.

This one is especially egregious considering Fast has been a passenger in ever sense of the word during his NHL games thus far.

Losing Pouliot is tough. He's a very underrated player. That said, I don't know that giving him a big long term deal would be smart. The wings are pretty clogged with guys who're either making a lot (Nash, St. Louis) or very soon will be making a lot (Zuccarello, Hagelin, Kreider). Most of our interesting prospects are wingers (Fast, Duclair, Buchnevich, Haggerty, even Miller). I have to think at least one of those guys will be able to snag a top-nine spot in the next year or two.

 

[NikC]

i think we need to be careful. we may be losing important guys from last years team and just plugging in the next guy in line wont work.

its not that easy.

chemistry and mojo formed last season during that epic run isnt easliy replaced.

SC run and SC team aren't the same. NYR aren't the latter. ..

Guys like BBoyle Pouloit and Stralman should not be getting paydays from the NYR

 

[offdacrossbar]

i would seriously kick the tires on nisky.

would slot in nicely in our top 4 especially if we lose stralman and keep staal.

mcd/girardi
staal/nisky
moore/klein

he wont be cheap but he is a solid offensive guy.

 

[NikC]

Anything that pushes posters in the direction of making fact-based arguments instead of calling Stralman a seventh inning reliever makes me happier. That said, Kane is a proven 30 goal scorer in the same way that Petr Prucha is. He's done it once.

Ur right lets wait until he's 35 and sign him after hes put up career
#s with other teams....

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

What? The Rangers offense benefits plenty from Stralman because his play makes the puck spend way more time in the offensive zone than the defensive zone.

You'd think that'd lead to more team goals for than previous years. It hasn't.

You'd also think Stralman's offensive #'s would increase. They certainly haven't.

For his pricetag, I'd like some more tangible results beyond Corsi rating

 

[Inferno]

You get it. Kane and Buff are players the rangers should target. not retreads and bargain bin former first round flops

yeah ive been mulling my brains over what it would take to get Kane & Byuf/Bogo here, and it would probably have to start with Staal + Miller + Hagelin + Skjei

that would be my guess.

 

[Zil]

Ur right lets wait until he's 35 and sign him after hes put up career
#s with other teams....

And you think this is my position why? Because I'd rather use what cap space we have on keeping Stralman and upgrading at center where we actually need help? Because I don't want to deal our one big trade chip in Staal for Evander Kane, another wing player who carries a $5.25 million cap hit?

 

[Ail]

This post makes me happy.

Dude, I almost shed a tear.

 

[Zil]

You'd think that'd lead to more team goals for than previous years. It hasn't.

You'd also think Stralman's offensive #'s would increase. They certainly haven't.

For his pricetag, I'd like some more tangible results beyond Corsi rating

Puck possession is a tangible result. Making the Stanley Cup Final is definitely a tangible result. Without Stralman we'd spend way less time in the offensive zone and way more time in the defensive zone. We'd inevitably give up more goals and score fewer. That's what happens when the other team has the puck more frequently.

 

[NikC]

And you think this is my position why? Because I'd rather use what cap space we have on keeping Stralman and upgrading at center where we actually need help? Because I don't want to deal our one big trade chip in Staal for Evander Kane, another wing player who carries a $5.25 million cap hit?

Because u wrote Kane was Prucha until proven otherwise....

Kane is a LW. Poulouit is likely gone. Stralman as well.

Rangers need scoring at forward and defense positions.

Rangers will have a different roster next season for sure, but it doesn't have to be crappy one

 

[Inferno]

And you think this is my position why? Because I'd rather use what cap space we have on keeping Stralman and upgrading at center where we actually need help? Because I don't want to deal our one big trade chip in Staal for Evander Kane, another wing player who carries a $5.25 million cap hit?

yeah if were trading Staal to Winnipeg id want it to be as part of a package getting Byuf/Bogo & Kane here. Big deal, would need a lot of moving parts. Could be doable though.

I dont want to move Hagelin...at all, but I'd love to see this team next season....

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Kane - Grabovski - MSL
Pouliot - Brassard - Zucc
Fasth - Lindberg - Miller (probably have to go all kids to make it work cap wise..and even then it probably doesnt work...)

Girardi - McD
???? - Byuf
Moore - Klein


I bet it doesnt work cap wise, but you get what i mean. Could be a ridiculous team.

 

[NikC]

Puck possession is a tangible result. Making the Stanley Cup Final is definitely a tangible result. Without Stralman we'd spend way less time in the offensive zone and way more time in the defensive zone. We'd inevitably give up more goals and score fewer. That's what happens when the other team has the puck more frequently.

We made it to the SC because of Lundqvist. For as highly touted as this NYR defense was to start the playoffs they were pretty awful most nights

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Anything that pushes posters in the direction of making fact-based arguments instead of calling Stralman a seventh inning reliever makes me happier. That said, Kane is a proven 30 goal scorer in the same way that Petr Prucha is. He's done it once.

Maybe I didn't read your previous post, but it's obvious to me you misunderstood mine.

So we'll go through it Barney-style:

1) Stralman is a very good defender
2) Stralman should give the Rangers the opportunity to resign him.
3) Stralman having his best season has something to do with his walk year.
4) Stralman does not play the power play
5) Stralman may be the the third of six dmen to make 5 million or more and provide little offense.
6) if the Rangers can turn a scrap heap project into a top-4 why can't they do it again?

There.

As for Kane:

Prucha went from 30 to 22 to 7 goals in his first three seasons.

His highest scoring seasons were 44, 40 and 22.

He hasn't played in the NHL since 2011.

Kane scored 30/19/19 his best three seasons and 57/43/41 scoring.

But in 2013 his GPG/PPG over 82 games was 29g/56p

I mean, comparing (or trying to compare) Prucha to Kane was a classic Strawman that I shouldn't have wasted my time on.

Kane is better than Kreider. That doesn't mean Kreider isnt a good player who may one day exceed Kane's production.

Stop being homers.