Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be a GM Thread II

[Fitzy]

7 years max. New CBA's ****-blocking us.

You got me.

I guess, by that logic he can get an extra year from the pens. 8 for the drafting team if I recall.

If it's 7 years, that's Malkin from age 27 to 34. The numbers could get scary.

 

[NYRangers16]

That said, this season coming up IS a transition year. We do not have the players in house that are good enough at the positions they play (a few exceptions) to be considered a WIN NOW team.

With a new coach and MORE roster turnover, making the PO's next year and winning a round should be considered a successful

.

********. We aren't "transitioning." We are in this to win it.

 

[RangerBoy]

There is no reasonable deal in free agency.

Edmonton Oilers president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe wasn't ready to talk about what his team's plans were for the 2013 NHL Draft, but told NHL.com that with the seventh pick, "we're going to get another great piece to add to the group."

That's if the Oilers keep the pick.

Edmonton appears to be overflowing with young talent, thanks in part to having the first pick of the Draft in each of the previous three years.

Lowe said the decision to keep or move the pick lies with general manager Craig MacTavish, but admitted that the organizational mindset is to listen to any suggestions.

"Because the Draft is deep, as you move along, if someone offered us something we felt could fit in with our group, a different age and a certain type of positional player we need, we wouldn't be opposed to moving the pick," Lowe said. "Maybe where teams are positioned with the [salary] cap going down, all those sorts of moons aligning could lead to something."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=18145

Can the Rangers get the young forward in the draft? The Russian kid wants to play in the NHL. Nichushkin doesn't have a KHL contract. There is Monahan. Maybe the Rangers get #7 and move up a few spots. The Oilers like DZ. Jim Matheson has mentioned it a few times.

 

[iamitter]

You got me.

I guess, by that logic he can get an extra year from the pens. 8 for the drafting team if I recall.

If it's 7 years, that's Malkin from age 27 to 34. The numbers could get scary.

I wouldn't be surprised with 7 years, 80-85 million.

I also wouldn't necessarily balk from that kind of contract.

 

[Fitzy]

I wouldn't be surprised with 7 years, 80-85 million.

I also wouldn't necessarily balk from that kind of contract.

Ironically we had Pens fans offering Malkin for Gaborik after his knee injury a few years back. So while he is one of the best, there is always going to be that hesitation.

The Rangers signed Richards after his concussion. He was bunk after the concussion in Dallas. Was that a factor in his play? He could have been trying to sustain his career and played safer.

 

[mti79]

Horton is going to get paid.

Malkin is going to get paid.

Both have injury histories and would be extremely high risk signings and it just keeps repeating the same mistakes we keep making.

We need to make signings that make SENSE, not just big names.

Agree on both, and that's why I'm not making the move for Horton. However, Malkin is an elite talent. If he becomes available you throw the bank at him. Comparing the two situations is not fair in my opinion. Malkin is a player to be a center piece and you can build around him. (Malkin, Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg down the middle?) Sign me up.

I honestly don't think this team is far off. I think we buy out Richards this year and see where we go. Get a new coach in here, see what his system is going to be. If we get a guy who is going to let the offense play offense while realizing that he has a good stable of young defensemen and then the best goaltender in the world.

If you get the chance to add a really good player, you do it if the price is right. But take care of business at home. Resign McD, Hags and Steps. Then maybe you can add Malkin or Letang the following season if they make it to UFA.

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on a low risk player like a Linus Omark or seeing how the kids fit in. I think Kreider is going to be a key player moving forward. When he was inserted into the lineup for the playoffs and told to just play his game, he broke out and we all know where the expectations for him wound up being. Then Torts tried to fit him into his system and it didn't work. He then played scared, knowing that if he made a mistake he would be on the bench, in the press box or on a bus to Hartford.

You can then see if any of the kids are ready for a full time job. JT Miller looked good in spurts. Oscar Lindberg and Jesper Fast are both young and intriguing. You never know if a guy like Hrivik steps it up like people thought he may. Is McIlrath ready for this season? If he his, yay!

What about Jeff Schultz? He wants to be traded and if the price is right, may be able to slot into our bottom pairing. I don't know contract issues or stuff like that.

Hags-Steps-Cally
Kreider-Brassard-Nash
Fast/Omark-Lindberg-Zucc
Asham/Haley-Boyle-Dorsett/Pyatt

Powe/

McD-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-MDZ/McI/Schultz/Eminger

 

[RangerBoy]

Scott Howson is the Oilers senior VP of Hockey Operations. He has always like DZ. Tried to get for Tyutin many years ago and then in the Nash deal.

If defenceman Ryan Whitney leaves as an unrestricted free agent, won’t the Oilers have to find somebody to replace his puck-moving skills?

Absolutely. The Oilers cannot go into next season with only Justin Schultz to move the puck to Hall, Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov and Co. You need at least two passers on the back end, and Corey Potter is more shooter as an offensive guy. They need a left-shooting defenceman with some offensive pop. I know Krueger likes Islanders captain Mark Streit from their days with the Swiss national team, but New York will likely re-sign him. Another possibility is Michael Del Zotto of the New York Rangers or Keith Yandle of the Phoenix Coyotes. They’d have to trade for them.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/questions+Edmonton+Oilers+fans+would+like/8307752/story.html

 

[ItsthatSimple]

Should they nash or cash

Rick nash is an interesting hockey player although he has special talents his inablitly to score after he dangles a player can be frustrating. I believe they should cash in on him and get a player who is fast and someone who can dangle gooch anyone they come up against.

 

[Thirty One]

Rick nash is an interesting hockey player although he has special talents his inablitly to score after he dangles a player can be frustrating. I believe they should cash in on him and get a player who is fast and someone who can dangle gooch anyone they come up against.

Like an Enver Lisin type?

 

[Dalagaze]

They aren't trading Nash.

 

[Crease]

Nash had no problems scoring in the regular season. The organization should, and in all likelihood will, give him another few chances to establish himself as a playoff performer. Hopefully this Spring was a good learning experience for him.

 

[iamitter]

So basically you want Nash, but faster and with more of a scoring touch.

So Ovechkin.

 

[Kokoschka]

No to the "big" FAs like Horton, Weiss, Ryder etc. Every single one has huge negatives. Horton will get a big contract, think 5.5MM+ for 4+ years. Ryder can't play defense, would probably cost 4MM+. Basically a non-elite Gaborik with even less defense in him. Defense needs to stay a priority. Weiss has his injury problems. Will ask for a lot of money. Can see a team like C'bus or PHX taking a risk and signing him to a multi year deal worth around 4MM. No thanks. No to Filppula as well, and I love his game. But he's gonna get paid like a 60 point scorer, while being a 40 point scorer. Ville Leino says "hello". No to Clarktard.

The more I think about , the more pro I am on buying out Richards. Too much risk.
Resign Clowe if he comes at under 4MM for no longer than 2 yrs (yeah, not gonna happen).
Get me a guy for the 3rd or 4th line. Torres and Gordon have been mentioned. Yes please.
Trade DZ if the price is right.
Get a mean defender, in case McI isn't ready. Would like Murray.
Get me a defender in the mold of Mark Fistric to bolster the defense together with Eminger.
Try to sign Joacim Ericsson, he can stay in SWE for another year if he wants. And he gets to play with Hank.
If you want, take a gamble and trade for someone like Rundblad. Guys who have talent, but whose organization might be down on them. Keep getting talent.
Last but no least, draft boom or bust players. And 2 or 3 big, mean sons of *****es for our offense.

Call it a day and see where this brings you.

 

[Trxjw]

There is no reasonable deal in free agency.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=18145

Can the Rangers get the young forward in the draft? The Russian kid wants to play in the NHL. Nichushkin doesn't have a KHL contract. There is Monahan. Maybe the Rangers get #7 and move up a few spots. The Oilers like DZ. Jim Matheson has mentioned it a few times.

I'd be on board with trying to trade for that pick if Nichushkin was still on the board. However, I doubt he slips by Carolina. We'd have to move up from #7.

Nash, Kreider and Nichushkin would give potentially give us 3 scoring wingers who are all 6'3 or better. Nichushkin is coming to NA next season:

"I have already decided I will go to the NHL," Nichushkin told R-Sport news agency in Russia. "Dynamo [Moscow] has accepted this calmly and I was told that I can leave if I want to. There are no legal problems. My deal with Dynamo is terminated and I am leaving a free agent."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=17826

The question is, do the Rangers have the patience to inject another rookie into the lineup with Lundqvist's non-committal comments about re-signing in the back of their minds? He has to play in the NHL or he'll play in Russia next year.

 

[NYR Viper]

Scott Howson is the Oilers senior VP of Hockey Operations. He has always like DZ. Tried to get for Tyutin many years ago and then in the Nash deal.



http://www.edmontonjournal.com/questions+Edmonton+Oilers+fans+would+like/8307752/story.html

It just makes too much sense. The Rangers have too many LD's and need a forward. Edmonton needs a young puck-mover.

I'd be on board with trying to trade for that pick if Nichushkin was still on the board. However, I doubt he slips by Carolina. We'd have to move up from #7.

Nash, Kreider and Nichushkin would give potentially give us 3 scoring wingers who are all 6'3 or better. Nichushkin is coming to NA next season:



http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=17826

The question is, do the Rangers have the patience to inject another rookie into the lineup with Lundqvist's non-committal comments about re-signing in the back of their minds? He has to play in the NHL or he'll play in Russia next year.

Would love Nichuskin

 

[iamitter]

I'd be on board with trying to trade for that pick if Nichushkin was still on the board. However, I doubt he slips by Carolina. We'd have to move up from #7.

Nash, Kreider and Nichushkin would give potentially give us 3 scoring wingers who are all 6'3 or better. Nichushkin is coming to NA next season:



http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=17826

The question is, do the Rangers have the patience to inject another rookie into the lineup with Lundqvist's non-committal comments about re-signing in the back of their minds? He has to play in the NHL or he'll play in Russia next year.

I hope Monahan gets picked in the top 6. If he does, I'd frankly be ok with whoever they picked. Jones, Drouin and MacKinnon will be gone. Nichushkin, Lindholm and Barkov will be left (well, at least one). Monahan's too safe a pick for my taste. Nich, Lind and Barkov all have the potential to be elite players and most are at least moderately safe. The top talent in this draft is tremendous.

Nichushkin's comments that he won't play in the AHL at all could possibly make him drop.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

No to the "big" FAs like Horton, Weiss, Ryder etc. Every single one has huge negatives. Horton will get a big contract, think 5.5MM+ for 4+ years. Ryder can't play defense, would probably cost 4MM+. Basically a non-elite Gaborik with even less defense in him. Defense needs to stay a priority. Weiss has his injury problems. Will ask for a lot of money. Can see a team like C'bus or PHX taking a risk and signing him to a multi year deal worth around 4MM. No thanks. No to Filppula as well, and I love his game. But he's gonna get paid like a 60 point scorer, while being a 40 point scorer. Ville Leino says "hello". No to Clarktard.

The more I think about , the more pro I am on buying out Richards. Too much risk.
Resign Clowe if he comes at under 4MM for no longer than 2 yrs (yeah, not gonna happen).
Get me a guy for the 3rd or 4th line. Torres and Gordon have been mentioned. Yes please.
Trade DZ if the price is right.
Get a mean defender, in case McI isn't ready. Would like Murray.
Get me a defender in the mold of Mark Fistric to bolster the defense together with Eminger.
Try to sign Joacim Ericsson, he can stay in SWE for another year if he wants. And he gets to play with Hank.
If you want, take a gamble and trade for someone like Rundblad. Guys who have talent, but whose organization might be down on them. Keep getting talent.
Last but no least, draft boom or bust players. And 2 or 3 big, mean sons of *****es for our offense.

Call it a day and see where this brings you.

Ryder isn't a great defender by any means, but enough is enough. We gotta get people that can put the puck in the net.

Horton is an injury risk, and if he wants 5.5 mil, I walk.

Weiss would be a great signing if he accepted a 2-3 year deal.

 

[Kokoschka]

One other thing. I'm kind of worried about our Top 6 next year. Assume we buy out Richards and don't re-sign Clowe. Leaves us with

Derek Stepan (damn great 2nd liner, but can he repeat this years performance and be a 1C?)
Derick Brassard (lots of potential, but no certainty about bringing it every night)
Rick Nash (a.k.a. Playoffs are "good"; still is the least problem when it comes to production)
Chris Kreider (yeah he wasn't used properly but he scored 3 goals all season)
Ryan Callahan (for him to be at his best, means one of our top 2 lines has to be a grinding, defense first line)
Carl Hagelin (speedy as ****, but lacks creativity and doesn't have a good shot)
and the Hobbit (very creative guy, but I feel it's 2nd line or bust for him; hopeful he can blossom without Torts, though)

as candidates for our top 2 lines. Compare those guys with BOS, LAK, CHI or PIT. Perhaps I'm being a bit overly dramatic, but that's not SC material. Sather might see no other way of handling his business than giving Clowe a good chunk of money and hope for the best. Not that he or Horton or Ryder or any of the guys formerly mentioned would make us SC material.

The positive here certainly is, that this a very young core that will grow in the next few years. Hopefully Lundqvist can keep it up.

 

[Kokoschka]

Ryder isn't a great defender by any means, but enough is enough. We gotta get people that can put the puck in the net.

Horton is an injury risk, and if he wants 5.5 mil, I walk.

Weiss would be a great signing if he accepted a 2-3 year deal.

I'm with you there, but I'm questioning how much he would compromise our defensive play. We're not exactly known for having an easy time getting the puck out of our own zone. Imagine him with Boyle, Dorsett and DZ on the ice in our own end. Yikes.

My issue with Weiss is, we already have 2 centers of his type.

Horton, who IMO is the best out of the crop, would be great to have on a deal no longer than 2 years. Issue is, he probably knows he's the best FWD UFA remaining.

 

[The Gloaming]

Don't like the "big names" in FA this year.

Rather go with guys like Stalberg/Bickell/Zubrus/ Torres.

 

[bernmeister]

Amnestying Richards allows the Rangers to keep the team together and doesn't limit their flexibility. Why can't people see that? Bad gets hurt and the Rangers can't amnesty him,Lundqvist is better off leaving. Hank wants to sign a long term contract. That Richards cap will sink the team with his level of play. Not just this season. Richards was average in 11-12. Richards is getting top dollar and he is a complementary player at this point. That cap penalty will also sink the franchise. $5,666.667 per for 3 years. $8.5M per for 7 years. $17M for 1 year. That's keeping Richards another 4 years. Even if you trade the ****er,the penalties will follow them. The Rangers get ****ed big time. Where is the argument to keep this guy for another year?

I was open minded about him staying, if necessary a la Redden ONLY for the 1 more year, under the impression that max reward risk was to defer freeing up that cap space for one year, as it would be a lot cheaper. However, the 'if he gets hurt, we can't amnesty him' factor makes a difference.

That seals it.
I can't see any reason it makes sense to not amnesty him now.

It's not like the club and player could now agree to a new set of player buy out more favorable. Any buy out would presumably have to be within CBA guidelines.

So now there is absolutely nothing, short of NHL + NHLPA having second thoughts on this provision applied to Richards and a couple of others, and letting it slide. In that extremely unlikely case, we give Richards away for bupkus to any taker. But that's not happening.

 

[Kokoschka]

Don't like the "big names" in FA this year.

Rather go with guys like Stalberg/Bickell/Zubrus/ Torres.

That's a guy I didn't think about so far. Interesting.

 

[bernmeister]

Only deal I see for 1st overall is Staal + Skjei + for 1st overall and Hejda.

Hagelin-MacKinnon-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello
Clowe-Brassard-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Del Zotto-Stralman
Moore-Hejda

I too would love to pay less, but that's not gonna cut it.

It's not just give to get.
It's the strategy. You move these guys, and the vets, you are ahead of the cap and you have options.

Would you trade McD for Tavares? An argument could be made either way.
What if McKinnon is better than Tavares, closer to Stamkos?
There is a chance he won't be, and yes it's a gamble, but it is a gamble worth taking.

Who would you prefer: Dougie Hamilton? or MDZ? Siemens could be a bust. But he could also be another Hamilton.

 

[bernmeister]

Horton is a perfect player for us, but he will command at least 5m

Viktor Stalberg better, faster prob cheaper. Just a feeling, but think we can talk him into a medium high ok # for 1 year, even with risk of injury (esp. w/Torts gone and no constant shot blocking). His incentive to do that is say, see my 2012-13 season was no fluke. Now somebody pay me mega bucks.

1 year good for us, = flexibility
1 year good for him, = investing double down for bigger payoff

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

flippula is even more interesting now. he can play wing until cally gets back, then can move to center