Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be a GM Thread II

[Bluenote13]

I think moving forward, one of Brassard, Stepan, Lindberg or Burmistrov would be switched to wing eventually. It's a good problem to have honestly.

Add another highly skilled 2-way forward into the fold. He fits the teams identity and he is still moldable.

I think all those guys are natural Centermen, especially in todays game. Lindberg and Stepan would be decent along the boards, the others would get out muscled. IMO, all these guys have high value at Center, I'd rather aquire a LW who is used to playing the wing.

I'm glad to see at least one person on the Vatanen wagon with me. That wagon had Voynov on it 2 years ago, I think Vatanen has the same upside, maybe even higher offensively.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Not for Del Z and Boyle though.

Jets have plenty of defenders, Stuart is one of their few stay at homes and he's a leader. I've always liked him, but they would be looking to add forwards, especially if Burmistrov is part of the deal. Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, not sure we need Burmistrov as much as you think.

We need a RH dman who can play the PP and play it well. Sami Vatanen, Ducks. They have alot of Dmen.

Yea I was gonna tack a "but I highly doubt they move Stuart" line onto my post but got lazy. By all accounts Winnipeg is really high on him. Adds elements their other defenders don't. Leader. Aka not at all cheap.

With Burmistrov, my logic is he is a guy who could be poised to take the next step. Plays in both ends. By all accounts a strong head on his shoulders. And If the plan is to move to a more open system C should be priority #1. For as good as he's been, fair or not, I still have the Rangers ghost voices in my head questioning if Brassard can keep it up. For as promising as he looks, Lindberg is still unproven in NA. Like both of them a lot but I would rather have too many options than not enough at C.

 

[Bardof425*]

I still maintain that hagelin definitely played like a top 6 forward with stepan and nash line

Hags is a very solid and at times dynamic player. But he is not a natural scorer and although he can play top 6 we are a contender if he can play 3LW because we have two guys with better hands on the top two lines. I'm confident Kreider is one. We need to find that other LW (not Clowe). If we cannot then Hags plays top 6 and Clowe is the 3LW.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would be superb, but are they that deep on D that they'd give him up? I'd be surprised if they did.

He has his faults:

6. (3) Sami Vatanen, D, 7.5C
Drafted 4th round, 106th overall, in 2009

The first prospect selected outside of the first round to make the list for the Ducks is Finnish defenseman Sami Vatanen. Vatanen is a bit of a mixed package overall, his limited size at 5'10 has made him vulnerable to the physical game of the AHL, but his tremendous playmaking ability and vision makes him a threat to any opposing team. He had a tremendous 2012-13 season and was an AHL First All-Star team member and the Norfolk Admiral’s top defensive scorer. However, despite his fantastic 45 points in 62 games he was an even plus-minus. That is going to be the story with Vatanen, at least for now. He will bring you tremendous breakouts and puck moving but his defensive game is always going to be a knock. With Vatanen though, if he can put up numbers like this in the NHL, he will certainly be above the hockey “Mendoza Line” so to speak.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/91089/top-prospect-emerson-etem-and-other-early-round-picks-living-up-to-the-hype-for-anaheim-ducks/

Sounds like Visnovsky by the way they described him here.

Sami Vatanen, D, 21

If Lindholm is considered the anvil of the European defensive duo in the Ducks system, then Vatanen is the hammer. The Finnish league standout put together a 45-point season in which he was named to the AHL All-Rookie team and the AHL All-Star team. While Vatanen has always been an offensive producer, many have questioned his physical makeup in terms of a future NHL player. This was part of the reason why he was a fourth round selection. Vatanen however, at 5'10, has showed signs of the physical aspect of the game getting him out of sorts as he has progressed into the AHL. His defensive zone reads are not always the best, and he allows his small stature dictate how he plays opposing forwards.

That being said these are things that as Vatanen moves forward will come to embrace and learn to play with. He has too much quality and threat as an offensive juggernaut and puck-mover to allow defensive miscues to get the better of him. Considering this was his first year in the much more physical AHL, Vatanen held his own. While he leaves much more to be desired defensively, that part of his game will round out. As far as his capability as a puck-mover, he is incredibly talented.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/89809/anaheim-ducks-minor-league-prospects-show-promise-despite-missing-the-ahl-playoffs/

 

[Bardof425*]

Rangers would be foolish not to if an opportunity arose to be offered that. Not only has Burmistrov proven more, he plays a much more valuable position, is younger and is far better defensively.

Burmistrov is frustrating the hell out of the Jet faithful. He is great on his skates, plays with an edge and has puck skills. But, he dangles way too much, refuses to play north/south and isn't big enough to play the kind of game he plays.

He has proven little, except that he has raw talent; similar to CK. But CK is 6'3" 230 and is a LW where we are weak. No way I make that deal.

 

[Bardof425*]

What's not to like with my suggested moves? Curious for some feedback.

No interest in Zubrus; wrong direction. Getting up in years, slowing down and too much money. Lindberg will fill the Richards void at center; not the void Richards was supposed to create, the one he's actually creating. Bottom 6 C.

 

[Bluenote13]

Yea I was gonna tack a "but I highly doubt they move Stuart" line onto my post but got lazy. By all accounts Winnipeg is really high on him. Adds elements their other defenders don't. Leader. Aka not at all cheap.

With Burmistrov, my logic is he is a guy who could be poised to take the next step. Plays in both ends. By all accounts a strong head on his shoulders. And If the plan is to move to a more open system C should be priority #1. For as good as he's been, fair or not, I still have the Rangers ghost voices in my head questioning if Brassard can keep it up. For as promising as he looks, Lindberg is still unproven in NA. Like both of them a lot but I would rather have too many options than not enough at C.

Burmistrov's price will be sky high. He's a recent top 10 pick, requesting a trade, they won't give him up to the first offer that comes along. How many GM's could match or best Del Zotto/Boyle and a pick ?

As far as Vatanen, if his defense was equivalent to his offense we wouldn't be having this discussion, he'd be penciled in as the Ducks #1 for years to come. He's never gonna be overly physical, but he thinks at a high level, he will be adequate, pair him with a good stay at home on the left and he'll be fine.

 

[nyranger61494]

I think all those guys are natural Centermen, especially in todays game. Lindberg and Stepan would be decent along the boards, the others would get out muscled. IMO, all these guys have high value at Center, I'd rather aquire a LW who is used to playing the wing.

I'm glad to see at least one person on the Vatanen wagon with me. That wagon had Voynov on it 2 years ago, I think Vatanen has the same upside, maybe even higher offensively.

He's unhappy in Anaheim? Available?

 

[Raspewtin]

Burmistrov's price will be sky high. He's a recent top 10 pick, requesting a trade, they won't give him up to the first offer that comes along. How many GM's could match or best Del Zotto/Boyle and a pick ?

As far as Vatanen, if his defense was equivalent to his offense we wouldn't be having this discussion, he'd be penciled in as the Ducks #1 for years to come. He's never gonna be overly physical, but he thinks at a high level, he will be adequate, pair him with a good stay at home on the left and he'll be fine.

Burmistrov's value is shot because WPG GM announced Burmistrov demanded a trade, he and his coach hate each other. So right now the GM will take whatever they could get with him, a 2nd round pick would suffice probably, because they don't have a choice. People have constantly suggested MDZ for Burmi + 1st and I'm on board with that.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I do agree with Kershaw about a team with puck possession, just disagree about the two devil Pejorative Slurs that always suck here being the guys.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think all those guys are natural Centermen, especially in todays game. Lindberg and Stepan would be decent along the boards, the others would get out muscled. IMO, all these guys have high value at Center, I'd rather aquire a LW who is used to playing the wing.

I'm glad to see at least one person on the Vatanen wagon with me. That wagon had Voynov on it 2 years ago, I think Vatanen has the same upside, maybe even higher offensively.

I loved Voynov a few years ago, was hoping the Rangers would move Gaborik for Schenn + Voynov + Simmonds. Would have turned out to be a major fleecing....

Offensively I don't worry about Vatanen, it's defensively. But his skating is very good and with this defense corps, he could partner with pretty much anyone.

 

[Trxjw]

Vatanen is a smart player. Let him learn some gap control and stick work from guys like Staal and McDonagh and I think he'll be just fine. Kid has the potential to bring that kind of game breaking puck rushing ability that will more than compensate for his defensive shortcomings.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

why would Anaheim move him?

 

[Leetch3]

Agreed.

Byfuglien is an intriguing option...he's weak defensively, but I think our blueline could mask that. The Rangers need a big shot from the point, someone who can keep the PKers honest — Byfuglien can do that. He's been a very productive player the past few seasons.

I'm not sure if his salary is a realistic fit, though. $5.2M per for the next three seasons.

his contract is awful...no way i'd take him at that price...but if the jets bought him out and he becomes a ufa thats a different story

 

[Fitzy]

If 5.2 is a terrible contract for a player like Buff I can't imagine what you guys think of Callahan's contract.

 

[Leetch3]

If 5.2 is a terrible contract for a player like Buff I can't imagine what you guys think of Callahan's contract.

i'm missing how the 2 are even comparable?? $4 mil for a great defensive forward that is always tops in the league in hits and blocked shots and scores at a 30 goal pace despite playing in a system that doesn't score and does everything you could possibly want vs $5.2 for a fat, lazy dman that can't play defense, hits 1/2 as much as cally but has a huge shot.

 

[Bluenote13]

Burmistrov's value is shot because WPG GM announced Burmistrov demanded a trade, he and his coach hate each other. So right now the GM will take whatever they could get with him, a 2nd round pick would suffice probably, because they don't have a choice. People have constantly suggested MDZ for Burmi + 1st and I'm on board with that.

No GM in this league will let a young skilled player go for nothing just cause he wants to be traded. That makes the GM look like a bigger fool. He requested a trade, that doesn't mean the Jets will settle for anything.

And yet again, a trade proposal on this board that doesn't take into account that other teams could totally match or best that package, easily.

He's unhappy in Anaheim? Available?

why would Anaheim move him?

They have plenty of blueliners on the team, on the farm and in their system, check it out if ya have the time.

He won't come cheap, but I think the right deal gets it done.

 

[RGY]

I'd rather keep Richards one more year to see what he's got.

 

[Trxjw]

The buyouts are going to be the real story this off season. Weren't the Rangers interested in David Jones? He was awful this year after just signing that big contract. If the Avs buy him out, I wonder if he'll end up here. Size, versatile and can pot 20+ goals.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Michael Ryder to be UFA??


http://www.sportspyder.com/teams/montreal-canadiens/articles/9276527


only 33 years old maybe a 2 or 3 year deal... he can score

 

[member 116805]

As horrible as Richie was this year, would you really risk him getting injured playing another season with us? As slow as bad as he was this year the chances of him bouncing back are slim at best. Not having Torts here to lean on makes it even less likely this miracle turn around will happen.
Buy the guy out, move forward.

 

[NYR Viper]

The buyouts are going to be the real story this off season. Weren't the Rangers interested in David Jones? He was awful this year after just signing that big contract. If the Avs buy him out, I wonder if he'll end up here. Size, versatile and can pot 20+ goals.

Depending on the price he would make some sense. I wonder if Ryan Malone is amnestied. He would be another option. Lecavalier?

 

[NYRSchrute217]

Michael Ryder to be UFA??


http://www.sportspyder.com/teams/montreal-canadiens/articles/9276527


only 33 years old maybe a 2 or 3 year deal... he can score

Been asking for Ryder for years. He can put the puck in the net and only makes 3M

 

[NYR Viper]

Been asking for Ryder for years. He can put the puck in the net and only makes 3M

Another RWer. VERY soft.

Pass.

 

[RangerBoy]

Good riddance Richards. The guy who pushed for his signing is no longer part of the organization.