Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be a GM Thread II

[Kershaw]

use your advanced stats to wow us with DZ numbers.

He is quite clearly, a top 4 defenseman and filled in for Staal just fine. Not as good as Staal of course, but he's done fine in a #3 role for two Staal absences now. He is the Rangers 4th best defender in adjusted Corsi (Behind Girardi, McD, Staal in that order). Point totals are a lot down this year from last due to on ice sh%. Last yr he was at 9.89% and this year an absymal 7.86%. He is somewhere in the middle of those.

 

[Raspewtin]

He was definitely not awful in the regular season. He has the best stretch pass on this team and can make smart, creative, offensive plays. Last season, he was very good defensively and this year, I thought he filled in fine for Staal until the 2nd round of the playoffs rolled around. His skating is average, not slow and IQ is definitely a concern, but he fills in fine as a top 4 defender, especially with his physical play and improved board work. Kreider on the other hand, scares the hell out of me with his lack of hockey IQ.

MDZ did a very good job filling in for Staal at first, I agree. But down the stretch he started to fall apart, and the playoffs just killed him. He can on occasion play big minutes, but he can't do it for a whole season, that was exposed. He's very offensively gifted, I agree, he can make very good plays. Maybe if he's on sheltered minutes he can stop with this being good every other season act? Kreider I don't think it's so much he has no IQ, probably more of he's still adapting to a team game. The NCAA is almost comparable to pond hockey, just get that guy the puck. I'm not actually advocating to trade MDZ, I just believe he's more expendable down the stretch (have plenty of D prospects, John Moore being a similar player, etc).

 

[Kershaw]

He has good IQ, was just playing too scared. Fear makes you look dumb.

Kreider's biggest knock with him unfortunately be hockey IQ. It's been the knock on him since he was drafted. With his tools, size and speed, he probably should've produced more points in his college career and AHL lockout season with that physical advantage.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

fwiw, I dont want clowe at 4m either.the market sucks, clarkson will get 5m, maybe even 6

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

im actually on board for trading for Burmistrov, just not sure what I would give up...

 

[donpaulo]

I think we all agree that Staal goes only if he wants to. Since I feel he won't ask for a season or two its somewhat moot to discuss him going to Carolina. I can understand why it would be a subject of conversation but I think NY is closer to going to the finals WITH Marc Staal in the lineup.

Assuming Girardi and McDonagh are not going anywhere that would leave MDZ as the most valuable chip on the blueline especially when you consider that John Moore can pick up his minutes and has a "similar" skill set at the same position.

I would honestly prefer to keep DZ because you can never have enough defense but you have to pay to play right ?

Stralman being a very serviceable 5 man and backfilling with an Eminger isn't too shabby although as I said keeping DZ pushes Stralman down and Eminger off the starting lineup.

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Up front

I see Clowe going with a 1 year deal in an environment that he can put up some numbers with. For example Carolina or Dallas. He will get top 6 minutes and has centermen to distribute the puck to him. He will then be a nice position to cash in on his last big contract the following season. Ie he is not returning to NY. I will admit to being a fan of his and have liked him as a player for some time. His size and jam fit a need of NY's but his skating seems to have lost a stride since I last saw him play regularly.

If I had to sign a UFA center it would be Boyd Gordon

I also hope to see Richards cut and that money spent on retaining the RFA

I see Zucarello on the second line only. He does not belong on 1 or 3 so if he is not going to play on the 2nd line then let him go and give someone else a shot at it.

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with slats record on UFA I much prefer to see a deal made rather than more free agency. I reckon we can all agree on that

 

[Rangers ftw]

He is quite clearly, a top 4 defenseman and filled in for Staal just fine. Not as good as Staal of course, but he's done fine in a #3 role for two Staal absences now. He is the Rangers 4th best defender in adjusted Corsi (Behind Girardi, McD, Staal in that order). Point totals are a lot down this year from last due to on ice sh%. Last yr he was at 9.89% and this year an absymal 7.86%. He is somewhere in the middle of those.

I'd say he is clearly nr 5 on this team when all healthy. I'd take Stralman over him in any situation. While being 3/4th when on top of his game, his "off games" are so off that it hurts to watch.

 

[donpaulo]

I'd say he is clearly nr 5 on this team when all healthy. I'd take Stralman over him in any situation. While being 3/4th when on top of his game, his "off games" are so off that it hurts to watch.

Stralman has really been a pleasant surprise, especially when he started stepping up and taking the body. The guy has game and NY can use him

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd much rather play Clarkson then pay an injury prone Ryane Clowe. He is a much better hockey player right now.

Here is a decent article from InLouWeTrust on why the Devils should keep Clarkson at all costs:



http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2013/5/...n-stands-alone-the-2013-ufa-forwards-by-shots

Since everyone goes all gaga for toughness, why not bring in a tough and gritty player that ALSO plays a puck possession game? Clarkson should be the team's #1 target.

Of course, I question how much he is carried by Patrik Elias, but I think we can emulate that same sort of puck possession with Burmistrov on his line. This to me, is an ideal 3rd line for a contending roster alongside Callahan. They'll never lose possession battles! Best defense is preventing other team from taking shots.

Clarkson is an incredibly dumb hockey player. He has close to no hockey IQ. He goes tot he front of the net and stands there on the Devils PP. He would be awful in NY AND he plays RW. Nash, Callahan, Clarkson? That is a VERY expensive set of RW's.

I'll take Postma as the +.

Needs to be their 1st, the Rangers need to get a high end, young forward.

I am not sure how that will help the Rangers right now. Especially if Staal's injury is severe. And he can possibly break down at any moment. I do not agree with trading the team's 3rd best minute muncher (in Staal's absence) for a 3rd line center. Relying too much on Moore, a very inexperienced defender may be a disaster.

The Rangers defense core without say MDZ and Staal looks like this:

McDonagh-Girardi
Moore-Stralman
Gilroy-Eminger

Yuck.

Simple, sign a vet d-man like Streit or Murray or both. Maybe trade for McBain.

Garrioch was suggesting at TDD that Clowe camp were seeking an 8 yr deal worth over $50 million!.



http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/04/06/four-nhl-general-managers-in-desperation-mode

With those demands, I don't really see him taking a discount for 3m.....

I will not comment on that source but I have a very hard time believing that.

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to warm up to acquiring Burmistrov. Boston is winning with a first line tweener (Krejci), and Bergeron and Seguin up the middle, whom at this time are 2nd line centers.

We'd have ours in Stepan, Brassard, and if acquired, Burmistrov, assuming Richards gets bought out. Burmistrov can play wing if Miller or Lindberg play themselves onto the 3rd line (I think one will). I'd also seriously explore what it would take to get Bogosian or Buff out of Winnepeg. Skating and weight aside, Big Buff is exactly what this team needs; a big right handed shot from the point. He's mean and nasty too. He's probably a wet dream though, as I see Bogosian way easier to acquire. Solid but not quite living up to expectation. RFA this summer.

Bogosian would be a great addition and I believe he plays RD. Winnepeg would be crazy to move him though.

He'd be a good depth signing if Eminger isn't brought back. The guy gets exposed a lot in his own end for a guy that doesn't add much offense. I'd rather pony up some cash for Scuderi if we're going the route of signing a defensive defenseman in case Staal isn't what he should be coming off of injury.

Yeah, his skating is lacking. He takes bad penalties and gets beat quite a bit. Saying that, if he will come in as the #7, I'm fine with it.

 

[Vitto79]

If they buyout Richards I don't see the problem in using that money on Clowe and Weiss on short term deals, say 2 yrs 8 million

Nash, Stepan, Callahan
Clowe, Weiss, Zuccarello
Hagelin, Brassard, Kreider
Powe, Boyle, Dorsett
Haley, Asham

move Pyatt for a pick at the draft

I would keep the same D , call me crazy

G- duh

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Clarkson at 3M is better than Clowe at 3M.

Maybe, and I mean MAYBE factoring in injuries. It really amazes me what stats can be twisted into saying (I guess it shouldn't since I more or less do that for a living) but Clarkson is one of the single dumbest hockey players I have seen at the NHL level.

The fact that he has been able to score as much as he has blows my mind. He has scored more goals by accidental deflection than Brian Boyle.

Clowe has more hockey IQ in his pinky than Clarkson has in his entire body. Not to mention being more intimidating and a better fighter too if that's even a consideration.

Clarkson has DISASTER written all over him.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

how about Del Zotto Boyle and 2ed in 2014 to Jets for Mark Stuart and Burmistrov???



Stuart can be the physical toughness type to mentor McIlrath.. it would be easier for McILrath if he came to the NYR with the same type of dman on the roster to help his game along..

Stuart and Burmistrov are two players I would take on the NYR without question.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Bogosian would be a great addition and I believe he plays RD. Winnepeg would be crazy to move him though.

They would be, I could see Trouba making one of Buff or Bogosian expendable though.

 

[NYR Viper]

They would be, I could see Trouba making one of Buff or Bogosian expendable though.

Not yet, maybe in the future. I thought Trouba played LD?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

buff would be moved before Boogsian imo

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

buff would be moved before Boogsian imo

Agreed.

Byfuglien is an intriguing option...he's weak defensively, but I think our blueline could mask that. The Rangers need a big shot from the point, someone who can keep the PKers honest — Byfuglien can do that. He's been a very productive player the past few seasons.

I'm not sure if his salary is a realistic fit, though. $5.2M per for the next three seasons.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Buff could play with either Mcdonagh or healthy Staal and we wouldnt see his defensive inefficiencies. He would give us the RHD we are looking for.

 

[NYR Viper]

Agreed.

Byfuglien is an intriguing option...he's weak defensively, but I think our blueline could mask that. The Rangers need a big shot from the point, someone who can keep the PKers honest — Byfuglien can do that. He's been a very productive player the past few seasons.

I'm not sure if his salary is a realistic fit, though. $5.2M per for the next three seasons.

Buff could play with either Mcdonagh or healthy Staal and we wouldnt see his defensive inefficiencies. He would give us the RHD we are looking for.

I SERIOUSLY worry about his weight issues. Carrying that extra weight leads to knee problems and hip problems.

I would be wary. I would much prefer to have Bogo or go after someone else in all honesty.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I SERIOUSLY worry about his weight issues. Carrying that extra weight leads to knee problems and hip problems.

I would be wary. I would much prefer to have Bogo or go after someone else in all honesty.

Yeah, I'd end up agreeing with that. Too much risk involved with Buff, as good as he is offensively.

 

[Trxjw]

A big shot from the point isn't going to do this team any good if there is nobody to feed the puck to him, or enough movement to create a shooting lane. Winnipeg, Boston and Nashville have three of the biggest point shots in the NHL, yet they were the 30th, 26th, and 17th ranked PP's respectively. A big shot is overrated. Byfulgien carries a hefty price tag and I doubt the Jets are looking to get rid of him. Nor Bogosian.

The Rangers need to work hard to find a player that's on the verge of breaking out. Get him cheap. Another Prust or Lindberg deal. Another John Moore. Burmistrov could definitely be that player, but there's a lot of skepticism of whether or not the article that said he wants out holds any water. It's the same writer that said Kane wouldn't sign there.

The Rangers can't afford to screw things up this summer. Getting a 1st would be great, but getting a player who can make an impact within the next 12 months is way more important.

 

[NYR Viper]

A big shot from the point isn't going to do this team any good if there is nobody to feed the puck to him, or enough movement to create a shooting lane. Byfulgien carries a hefty price tag and I doubt the Jets are looking to get rid of him. Nor Bogosian.

The Rangers need to work hard to find a player that's on the verge of breaking out. Get him cheap. Another Prust or Lindberg deal. Another John Moore. Burmistrov could definitely be that player, but there's a lot of skepticism of whether or not the article that said he wants out holds any water. It's the same writer that said Kane wouldn't sign there.

The Rangers can't afford to screw things up this summer. Getting a 1st would be great, but getting a player who can make an impact within the next 12 months is way more important.

Exactly this.

Burmistrov would be a VERY good addition. Getting a 1st this year would help a lot as well. Need to keep infusing top talent into the organization.

Voynov would have been a great addition way back when. Vatanen in Anaheim would be an intriguing option as he has the skills, but hasn't been given a chance.

 

[Bluenote13]

Stuart and Burmistrov are two players I would take on the NYR without question.

Not for Del Z and Boyle though.

Jets have plenty of defenders, Stuart is one of their few stay at homes and he's a leader. I've always liked him, but they would be looking to add forwards, especially if Burmistrov is part of the deal. Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, not sure we need Burmistrov as much as you think.

We need a RH dman who can play the PP and play it well. Sami Vatanen, Ducks. They have alot of Dmen.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not for Del Z and Boyle though.

Jets have plenty of defenders, Stuart is one of their few stay at homes and he's a leader. I've always liked him, but they would be looking to add forwards, especially if Burmistrov is part of the deal. Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, not sure we need Burmistrov as much as you think.

We need a RH dman who can play the PP and play it well. Sami Vatanen, Ducks. They have alot of Dmen.

I think moving forward, one of Brassard, Stepan, Lindberg or Burmistrov would be switched to wing eventually. It's a good problem to have honestly.

Add another highly skilled 2-way forward into the fold. He fits the teams identity and he is still moldable.

 

[Bardof425*]

Callahan is a monster down low and in front of the net, especially on the PP. He's 5'11" but plays like he's 6'4". Nash and Kreider are options to stick in front of the net too. Pyatt and Boyle are far from being the only options we have

Especially neither guy has any ability aside from setting a screen. They never tip pucks and rarely (I think once) they get to a rebound and score. Cally with his diminished size does both of these things really well. And from what we've been told, Kreider was very good in front of the net in Hartford on the PP. You need more than a big body; you need someone who knows why they have a stick in their hand.

 

[Trxjw]

Not for Del Z and Boyle though.

Jets have plenty of defenders, Stuart is one of their few stay at homes and he's a leader. I've always liked him, but they would be looking to add forwards, especially if Burmistrov is part of the deal. Stepan, Brassard, Lindberg, not sure we need Burmistrov as much as you think.

We need a RH dman who can play the PP and play it well. Sami Vatanen, Ducks. They have alot of Dmen.

Would be superb, but are they that deep on D that they'd give him up? I'd be surprised if they did.