Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be a GM Thread II

[Orr Nightmare]

Dorsett is probably the toughest pound-for-pound player on this team. He fought Thornton, that takes gumption. Loved his addition, but the Rangers need more players like that.



I am curious as to why you don't like Haley? I wouldn't mind Bordeleau if he is used correctly.

O'Byrne is a traffic cone. If that is what Clowe is going for, he should be brought back immediately.




It's not about protection. It's about the ability to force your will on other teams. It's about the ability to stand-up as a team and feel good about who has your back. Players play bigger when they know it is by committee.



I wouldn't mind moving Boyle for a nastier guy, just hard to find. With Clowe on the 2nd, Dorsett on the 3rd and Nystrom on the 4th I think they would be fine.

I do like Haley...but he has to go or Asham and I think Asham is the better player, although much older...I disagree on O'Bryne...I think he is a capable 5-6th dman...maybe price is too high and he adds much needed size on the backend...would really like Fraser but Leafs wont let him go and not sure how effective he will be since his face was broken.

 

[NYR Viper]

Clowe has always played with snarl just when he comes to NYR he gets hurt. Kreider had some good hits in the Bruins series. he needs to do this consistently... On Nash well for a guy his size, he rarely uses it. its a shame.. imagine if Nash had a mean streak. i dont get how the media and some fans consider Nash a power forward when HE DOES NOT PLAY LIKE ONE.... im guessing some players dont use their size to their advantage because they are scared of getting a penalty maybe or lack of heart in the player Boyle is too slow to catch people with big hits although he hits but when he does he falls down. horrible balance and skating ability..

Is Jagr a power forward?

Nash is a power forward. The problem is, and we have had this discussion before, is that the term "power forward" is almost too broad of a description. Under this umbrella are players like Jagr, Nash, Neal, Vanek, Pacioretty, Cole AND players like Lucic, Clowe, Iginla, Brown, Backes.

They are two distinctly different types of players. One type uses their rare combination of size and speed to create offense. The other is more about inflicting pain while creating offense.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Does it matter what he's got left if he's going to get amnestied anyway? Whether it's this summer or next, it's gonna happen. Unless we think he can be a different maker on a cup contending team next year (doubtful), I see no reason to keep him around.

Really? I think the fact that he can be amnestied next summer makes it more advantageous to keep him around this season. Why burn that asset? Why not see if he can return to form? Either he helps the team or he doesn't, if he doesn't no sweat he'll sit or play a diminished role. His season last year was an exception, not the rule. He did not return to form like Gomez and Drury, he had a bad season. There is a big difference there. Centers with his proven talent are few and far between in this league.

 

[NYR Viper]

I do like Haley...but he has to go or Asham and I think Asham is the better player, although much older...I disagree on O'Bryne...I think he is a capable 5-6th dman...maybe price is too high and he adds much needed size on the backend...would really like Fraser but Leafs wont let him go and not sure how effective he will be since his face was broken.

Pass on Fraser and O'Byrne. Both are traffic cones. Imagine them facing Giroux, Kovalchuk, the Staal, Malkin, Crosby and Tavares for most of the season?

I wouldn't mind Douglas Murray though.

I see it the other way around. Haley seems to bring the fire that Asham used to. He is also more than capable of fighting almost anyone.

I won't address the trades as you undervalue the opposing teams return or are overrating Del Z's value. Either way those are horrible deals for each team you mentioned.

Signings seem way off on money with Clowe, and two stiffs like Bordeleau and O'Byrne are not great matchups against guys like Lucic. Bordeleau is a good 4th line option, so yeah, thats one.

Again, your name is orr nightmare, of course I'm gonna want some backup other than 'we need more toughness'. In all honesty Dave Maloney, we need more everything except goaltending and shot blocking skills.



Nash got softer as the injuries piled up. Happened to Gaborik last year too.

Bordeleau is actually a pretty good idea IF Asham is gone.

 

[NYR Viper]

Really? I think the fact that he can be amnestied next summer makes it more advantageous to keep him around this season. Why burn that asset? Why not see if he can return to form? Either he helps the team or he doesn't, if he doesn't no sweat he'll sit or play a diminished role. His season last year was an exception, not the rule. He did not return to form like Gomez and Drury, he had a bad season. There is a big difference there. Centers with his proven talent are few and far between in this league.

Because with the cap going down, and, most likely, the majority of the amnesty buyouts coming this off-season due to the afore mentioned dropping of the cap, the Rangers should be able to use his cap space to replace him with below market value talent.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

ugh, clowe is no llonger a top 6 guy. if hes in our top 6, we are not a real contender. hes a PERFECT 3rd line guy if willing to accept price

 

[Orr Nightmare]

I won't address the trades as you undervalue the opposing teams return or are overrating Del Z's value. Either way those are horrible deals for each team you mentioned.

Signings seem way off on money with Clowe, and two stiffs like Bordeleau and O'Byrne are not great matchups against guys like Lucic. Bordeleau is a good 4th line option, so yeah, thats one.Again, your name is orr nightmare, of course I'm gonna want some backup other than 'we need more toughness'. In all honesty Dave Maloney, we need more everything except goaltending and shot blocking skills.



Nash got softer as the injuries piled up. Happened to Gaborik last year too.

please explain in english what you meant in bold...in one sentence Bordeleau is a stiff and then in the next he is a good 4th line option...

Bordeleau can handle himself against one in the league...but I like your effort.

So, I am overvaluing Del Zotto but what we got in return would be terrible...again, please explain...one other question...the guys I want in return...do you know who they actually are or do you think they are just goons?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Because with the cap going down, and, most likely, the majority of the amnesty buyouts coming this off-season due to the afore mentioned dropping of the cap, the Rangers should be able to use his cap space to replace him with below market value talent.

Well based on the assumption that you have a suitable replacement, with a comparable skillset available, I would be on board. I just don't know who that is.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

With the subtraction (or..extinction?) of Richards (and Gaborik) this team is short on high-end talent up front. Not enough goals in this lineup.. who do we target?

Richards buyout HAS to happen, and we need to use that money to re-sign the RFAs and bring in someone with 30G potential.. but who? Do you guys think we trade up at the draft?

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

ugh, clowe is no llonger a top 6 guy. if hes in our top 6, we are not a real contender. hes a PERFECT 3rd line guy if willing to accept price

Would love having him in the cheap since he's damaged. If he is realistic about signing somewhere now if say 1-3 years at like 2-2,5 per.

 

[GAGLine]

I have recommended Nystrom as a feisty 4th liner who will drop the gloves a bit. IMO the team needs more guys who can play the game AND drop the gloves.

I don't care if he can drop the gloves. The bruins didn't beat us because their 4th line could fight. They beat us because their 4th line could sustain a forecheck and chip in some goals. Just like the devils last year.

I agree we need more size and speed in the bottom 6, and players that are willing to throw their bodies around. That doesn't mean they have to be fighters. There are very few heavyweights that can actually play the game. We've been trying for years to find one and have failed repeatedly. Orr was the best we had and we let him go.

Brashear - 36 games as a Ranger
Boogaard - 22 games as a Ranger
Scott - 6 games as a Ranger
Rupp - 68 games as a Ranger

Stop worrying about whether or not the player can fight. Find players with size who know how to use it.

 

[Orr Nightmare]

Pass on Fraser and O'Byrne. Both are traffic cones. Imagine them facing Giroux, Kovalchuk, the Staal, Malkin, Crosby and Tavares for most of the season?

I wouldn't mind Douglas Murray though.

I see it the other way around. Haley seems to bring the fire that Asham used to. He is also more than capable of fighting almost anyone.



Bordeleau is actually a pretty good idea IF Asham is gone.

I like Doug Murray a lot...but he is just as slow as Fraser...I watched several Leafs games this year and Fraser was one of the bigger surprises on the team.

I loved Haley on the Islanders...didn't see the same player on the Rangers...maybe that was Torts neutering him...not sure.

 

[Bluenote13]

please explain in english what you meant in bold...in one sentence Bordeleau is a stiff and then in the next he is a good 4th line option...

Bordeleau can handle himself against one in the league...but I like your effort.

So, I am overvaluing Del Zotto but what we got in return would be terrible...again, please explain...one other question...the guys I want in return...do you know who they actually are or do you think they are just goons?

Now you're gooning it up

Bordeleau would be a stiff against good NHL'ers. He can play against other 4th liners. Whew, that was a tough one I know I know.....

Your trades are terrible, you don't for once take into consideration that Del Z has neither the value or need for any of those teams. Just that you want us to get tough. Well, those teams need toughness and those players more than they need Del Z. Florida has many good young Dmen, Montreal has Subban they need those other tough Dmen to compliment him, and Coyle for Del Z, another team that is loaded with puck moving dmen yet you think they'll want another for one of their best forwards.

 

[GAGLine]

Really? I think the fact that he can be amnestied next summer makes it more advantageous to keep him around this season. Why burn that asset? Why not see if he can return to form? Either he helps the team or he doesn't, if he doesn't no sweat he'll sit or play a diminished role. His season last year was an exception, not the rule. He did not return to form like Gomez and Drury, he had a bad season. There is a big difference there. Centers with his proven talent are few and far between in this league.

My point is, if he does return to form, so what? We are still going to amnesty him. The cap penalty if and when he retires early will demand it. We can't trade him for that same reason.

And what if he gets hurt next year? We can't buyout an injured player. We'd be stuck with him, no matter how well or poorly he plays, and then we'd get hit with penalties when he retires or we give him a regular buyout. There's just too much risk involved and not anywhere near enough to be gained.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

My point is, if he does return to form, so what? We are still going to amnesty him. The cap penalty if and when he retires early will demand it. We can't trade him for that same reason.

And what if he gets hurt next year? We can't buyout an injured player. We'd be stuck with him, no matter how well or poorly he plays, and then we'd get hit with penalties when he retires or we give him a regular buyout. There's just too much risk involved and not anywhere near enough to be gained.

The injury risk is a valid point, but I still think that where Hank is in his career, NYR needs to be all in to win a cup next season. If there was an available replacement out there, I agree amnesty him this summer. I just don't know who that replacement is.

 

[Orr Nightmare]

Now you're gooning it up

Bordeleau would be a stiff against good NHL'ers. He can play against other 4th liners. Whew, that was a tough one I know I know.....

Your trades are terrible, you don't for once take into consideration that Del Z has neither the value or need for any of those teams. Just that you want us to get tough. Well, those teams need toughness and those players more than they need Del Z. Florida has many good young Dmen, Montreal has Subban they need those other tough Dmen to compliment him, and Coyle for Del Z, another team that is loaded with puck moving dmen yet you think they'll want another for one of their best forwards.

ok, i will make this brief

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/minnesota_wild/...that is strengths and weaknesses for the Wild

strengths...depth at center...which is what Coyle is and Weaknesses: Aside from Dumba and Brodin, there is a questionable amount of talent at the back end. The same could be said for the wing corps, which suffers from a considerable drop-off in scoring talent after the top tier.

Panthers:

Strengths
Quality depth at center and defense.
Size, grit and leadership at defense.High-end goaltending.
Weaknesses
Lack of true, top-end offensive defenseman.Uncertain depth on RW.

Habs:




Do you think Anaheim overvalued Ryan Whitney or Dallas overvalued Gogliski...everyone loves "puck moving" dmen.

 

[RangerBoy]

Amnestying Richards allows the Rangers to keep the team together and doesn't limit their flexibility. Why can't people see that? Bad gets hurt and the Rangers can't amnesty him,Lundqvist is better off leaving. Hank wants to sign a long term contract. That Richards cap will sink the team with his level of play. Not just this season. Richards was average in 11-12. Richards is getting top dollar and he is a complementary player at this point. That cap penalty will also sink the franchise. $5,666.667 per for 3 years. $8.5M per for 7 years. $17M for 1 year. That's keeping Richards another 4 years. Even if you trade the ****er,the penalties will follow them. The Rangers get ****ed big time. Where is the argument to keep this guy for another year?

 

[Bardof425*]

Pass on Fraser and O'Byrne. Both are traffic cones. Imagine them facing Giroux, Kovalchuk, the Staal, Malkin, Crosby and Tavares for most of the season?

I wouldn't mind Douglas Murray though.

I see it the other way around. Haley seems to bring the fire that Asham used to. He is also more than capable of fighting almost anyone.



Bordeleau is actually a pretty good idea IF Asham is gone.

I am a proponent of dealing MDZ + to get a LW who can score. However, if he is not traded, then our D is

McD Danny G
Staal Stralman
MDZ Moore
McIlrath

I see no reason to keep bringing Eminger back and no reason to trade for a D man. I think Stralman without Torts' influence will be strong on the PP point like he once was as will MDZ and McD. And if we have injuries we will do what we always do, sign a D-man off the scrap heap to hold the fort. Our D is strong and young.

I think we need to focus on what we do with Richards and who is going to play LW for Step.

 

[Bardof425*]

I see it, unfortunately, the 6'4 220+ lbs offensively gifted centers are hard to come by. Hence, why I would rather have skilled puck distributors at center and build up on the wings.

Kreider-Brassard-Nash
Clowe-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Burmistrov-Dorsett
Nystrom-Lindberg/Miller-Boyle

Build up size on the wings where guys can keep their games simple.

Zucc??

 

[member 116805]

Amnestying Richards allows the Rangers to keep the team together and doesn't limit their flexibility. Why can't people see that? Bad gets hurt and the Rangers can't amnesty him,Lundqvist is better off leaving. Hank wants to sign a long term contract. That Richards cap will sink the team with his level of play. Not just this season. Richards was average in 11-12. Richards is getting top dollar and he is a complementary player at this point. That cap penalty will also sink the franchise. $5,666.667 per for 3 years. $8.5M per for 7 years. $17M for 1 year. That's keeping Richards another 4 years. Even if you trade the ****er,the penalties will follow them. The Rangers get ****ed big time. Where is the argument to keep this guy for another year?

All of this. Shouldn't even be a question, buy the guy out right now.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Amnestying Richards allows the Rangers to keep the team together and doesn't limit their flexibility. Why can't people see that? Bad gets hurt and the Rangers can't amnesty him,Lundqvist is better off leaving. Hank wants to sign a long term contract. That Richards cap will sink the team with his level of play. Not just this season. Richards was average in 11-12. Richards is getting top dollar and he is a complementary player at this point. That cap penalty will also sink the franchise. $5,666.667 per for 3 years. $8.5M per for 7 years. $17M for 1 year. That's keeping Richards another 4 years. Even if you trade the ****er,the penalties will follow them. The Rangers get ****ed big time. Where is the argument to keep this guy for another year?

The fact that we can still buy him out next year with no cap casuality because the ufa market sucks so we wouldn't be using his cap without an ext AND raise for Hank.. not to mention the chance he rebounds and maybe it really was just a bad year in a shortened season. plus, for all the people hating on Slats, do u REALLY want him to have 20m or so cap space THIS offseason? Also, even without buyout, Rangers will keep all their RFAs. Personally I don't care either way

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Oh and Richards is basically playing this year for a contract. We all know how players tend to perform in contract years

 

[Riverdale]

The fact that we can still buy him out next year with no cap casuality because the ufa market sucks so we wouldn't be using his cap without an ext AND raise for Hank.. not to mention the chance he rebounds and maybe it really was just a bad year in a shortened season. plus, for all the people hating on Slats, do u REALLY want him to have 20m or so cap space THIS offseason? Also, even without buyout, Rangers will keep all their RFAs. Personally I don't care either way

Risk of injury

Brad might bounce back but so what? In another 2-3 years he will decline again. His contract is just BAD. Get out now while you still can

 

[Kris Chreider]

If we're trading for a Winnipeg d-man, I'd want Enstrom. He creates so much offense from the back end, something we're really lacking. I would be happy with Buff though. Anybody know if Enstrom can play right side?

 

[Orr Nightmare]

The fact that we can still buy him out next year with no cap casuality because the ufa market sucks so we wouldn't be using his cap without an ext AND raise for Hank.. not to mention the chance he rebounds and maybe it really was just a bad year in a shortened season. plus, for all the people hating on Slats, do u REALLY want him to have 20m or so cap space THIS offseason? Also, even without buyout, Rangers will keep all their RFAs. Personally I don't care either way

this is why you don't wait:

Bob McKenzie said on TSN Radio Wednesday that Brad Richards was destined to be bought out the day the cap recapture clause was put into the CBA.

McKenzie said, “If Richards doesn’t play the final three years of his contract, the Rangers will be hit with a cap recapture penalty is going to get dinged and dinged pretty good. The final three years are bogus years and he isn’t playing them. There is going to be a cap penalty for the Rangers if Brad Richards retires before that contract is up. I think it’s a given that they will buy him out.â€

He adds “It’s just a question of do you buy him out this summer or next summer. With a new coach coming in, it probably makes sense to wait a year, but you can’t buyout an injured player. So heaven forbid Brad Richards gets a concussion or any long-term injury, that would prevent you from buying him out in the compliance buyout period next summer.â€

The Rangers would be charged a total of $17 million if Richards retires and doesn’t play the last three years based on the amount of money he has been paid vs how much they were charged against the salary cap.

Richards will be paid a total of $57 million through the first six years of his contract. The last three years all have a salary of $1 million each.

Richards cap hit is $6.67 and when counted up, through the first six years of the deal, is a total of $40 million.