Nope. I don't think Stralman has consistently proven enough to surpass MDZ. Yes, he was much better down the stretch, but that does not put him above MDZ.
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Nope. I don't think Stralman has consistently proven enough to surpass MDZ. Yes, he was much better down the stretch, but that does not put him above MDZ.
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Those organizational writeups are often not updated or just looking at the prospect pool and not the guys who made it to the big club. Like Minny, yeah after Brodin and Dumba they are lean in the pool, but not on the big club, which happens to feature Ryan Suter. Suter, Brodin, Dumba -yet they would trade depth at forward where they are weak for Del Z ? Also, Coyle is a Winger.
Same with the Panthers, they have guys like Robak(23yrs old), Kulikov(22 yrs old), Matheson(19), who was one of the best prospects I've watched in the last few years, still in the organization either playing with the big club or on the verge of going pro. Either way, if they want Del Z they're not going to trade Petrovic and Shore to get him. You'd be lucky to get one of them as of right now straight up for Del Z, who's stock has to be at its lowest since he turned pro.
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Del Zotto + Thomas for Michalek + Stone + Kassian.
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Clarkson may be a low IQ player, but that does not mean he is useless piece. He does not just stand there. He is an elite quality forechecker with an absurd ability to get shots shoveled to the net. You can interchange Zubrus/Clarkson I proposed on LW/RW.
Streit and Murray are both terrible defenders this point in their careers. Streit is washed up and defensive liabilty, while Murray is just a straight up plug with a physical track record that people get memorized by. Murray is not a good player at all, but Streit used to be an elite player. Hasn't been the same since that long-term injury that kept him out of 10-11 season. I feel neither of the three suggested defenders you have can handle MDZ's responsibility.
He priced himself out of SJ. Doug Wilson IIRC wanted to re-sign him.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Stone is a forward...
I would consider something around Michalek and DZ, though, but Michalek's injury history worries me.
Except Burmistrov is their best puck possession player, while Kreider is welll.... um. Yeah.
Zubrus fits in big body veteran presence and has been a complimentary top 6 player for a large portion of his career. Injuries are a concern, obviously.
I'd like to see us target Ryder. Pure goal scorer. Has proven he can produce in various offensive-systems. Can play the left side. Right-handed shot too. Put MZA on the opposite wing and I think sparks will fly.
He won't cost us any assets. And, he'll come close to producing close to some of the guys we're 'targeting' via trade.
He won't cost us any assets. And, he'll come close to producing close to some of the guys we're 'targeting' via trade.
BroadwayBlues
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Depends.
Do the Rangers think Fast is ready? Is Clowe resigned? If yes to both, where is the room for him?
NYR Viper
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So you are good with giving Clarkson 4+ million for multiple years and assuming his production will continue and his body will hold up?
Streit is not terrible at all. 23+ minutes on average/game. 27 points in 48 games. If that's washed up, he must have been amazing in his prime.
Doug Wilson knew that they weren't going to be able to re-sign him to a long term contract because they are going to have to rebuild soon. Giving Clowe a 3-4 year contract would have been a bad idea. He got assets back and was able to use some younger players.
Old? Check. Injuries? Check. Former Devil? Check. Why not?
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I'm split on Ryder. I love his goal scoring and offensive game.
Canadiens fans have said he's extremely one-dimensional at this point. I believe his skating has deteriorated as well.
If we can nab him on a cheap 2 year deal, I'd say go for it. Guy can still shoot, and both Stepan/Brassard are excellent playmakers.
some of you want Ryan O'Byrne... 
id rather have Marek Malik or Shane O'Brien on NYR blueline.....
one guy id love to have on NYR blueline is Ryan Wilson...
Ryan Wilson and Steve Downie to NYR
Boyle, Del Zotto and Skjei to Avs
adds some grit on the blueline and some more grit and toughness in the top 6...
id rather have Marek Malik or Shane O'Brien on NYR blueline.....one guy id love to have on NYR blueline is Ryan Wilson...
Ryan Wilson and Steve Downie to NYR
Boyle, Del Zotto and Skjei to Avs
adds some grit on the blueline and some more grit and toughness in the top 6...
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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some of you want Ryan O'Byrne...
one guy id love to have on NYR blueline is Ryan Wilson...
Ryan Wilson and Steve Downie to NYR
Boyle, Del Zotto and Skjei to Avs
adds some grit on the blueline and some more grit and toughness in the top 6...
Great, a downgrade at D and a downgrade at forward. Awesome trade!
Ryder's defensive game isn't anything special, that's for sure. But the mind-set should be to focus on targeting players that can produce offensively. This team could use a veteran LW too, unless we plan on bringing Clowe back.
Personally speaking, I'd rather see us target Ryder for 4M instead of Clowe. He scored 35P in 46 games this season. The year before, he had a career high with 35 goals. You don't put up numbers like that if you can't keep up with today's game. Ryder's skating is better than Clowe's as well.
Great, a downgrade at D and a downgrade at forward. Awesome trade!
Steve Downie has had 3 +30 pt seasons and has over 150 PIM.. adds more emotion to this non emotiinal team..
Brian Boyle had one +30 pt season... not really a downgrade... Downie is a way better player than Brian Boyle and would add more grit toughness and skill... with Downie this team would be harder to play against.. some fans do want that.... imagine Clowe Dorsett Haley and Downie on NYR Roster... alot of snarl.....
Too bad snarl doesn't put the puck in net. And all we have to do to give up our PMD for a scrub is trade our first rounder from last year! Great trade.
Boyle's become dominant on faceoffs and is a PK staple for us. For all he gets crapped on for being soft, he's really not. He doesn't deliver thunderous open ice hits, but he almost always finishes his check on a guy. Being 6'7, even if you get "lightly" hit by him, you feel it.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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okay ill give you that but it would make the NY Rangers harder to play against..a lot of teams love to play at MSG, wonder why???.. the final 4 teams are in because they all have grit size snarl with skill and not easily intimidated....
RANGERS NEED TO BE HARDER TO PLAY AGAINST.... NOT BE THE HABS AND HAVE A TEAM FULL OF SOFT PLAYERS...
That is the beauty of NHL free agency. It's hard to predict whether or not Clarkson's body/production will hold up. Since apparently, the Rangers need to address a lack of toughness/grit in the lineup and they traded for Clowe at the deadline. It is really inevitable that Sather will overpay for a tough player and play him in a top 6 role. Out of all the options available, I'd much rather have David Clarkson than Ryane Clowe or Brian Bickell.
Really? Point totals do not tell the whole story. Streit has been terribly overmatched at ES the past 2 seasons and his skating ability is a huge detriment to this team. Streit also repedetly rejected a 3yr deal worth 15m+ from Garth Snow. And yes, Streit was an amazing, #1 all around defender in his prime years before torn rotator cuff injury.
Wilson plain balked at Clowe's demands IIRC, which doesn't aspire confidence in me on Clowe taking a discount. Why should he exactly? He only played what 15 games here. He's in it for the cash, like all NHL players are. Montreal will pay the roof for him and he gets to be closer to his family in Newfoundland.
The former Devil schtick really means nothing right now. I'm not sure why that is being used as a point of reference to go against Clarkson/Zubrus.
Elias is also a FA. Everyone would love him though.
The bolded is key. Who cares if you get tougher when you can't play?
Would you rather have Lucic or a guy who scores the same amount and doesn't intimidate? The choice is pretty clear.
However, when you start getting so trigger happy on "snarl" and "size" and "grit", sometimes you lose sight of what is important - putting the puck in net. Upgrading in toughness isn't worth it if you downgrade in skill.
I swear, it seems like some you guys want this team to become Vityaz Chekhov.
NYR Viper
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That is the beauty of NHL free agency. It's hard to predict whether or not Clarkson's body/production will hold up. Since apparently, the Rangers need to address a lack of toughness/grit in the lineup and they traded for Clowe at the deadline. It is really inevitable that Sather will overpay for a tough player and play him in a top 6 role. Out of all the options available, I'd much rather have David Clarkson than Ryane Clowe or Brian Bickell.
Really? Point totals do not tell the whole story. Streit has been terribly overmatched at ES the past 2 seasons and his skating ability is a huge detriment to this team. Streit also repedetly rejected a 3yr deal worth 15m+ from Garth Snow. And yes, Streit was an amazing, #1 all around defender in his prime years before torn rotator cuff injury.
Wilson plain balked at Clowe's demands IIRC, which doesn't aspire confidence in me on Clowe taking a discount. Why should he exactly? He only played what 15 games here. He's in it for the cash, like all NHL players are. Montreal will pay the roof for him and he gets to be closer to his family in Newfoundland.
The former Devil schtick really means nothing right now. I'm not sure why that is being used as a point of reference to go against Clarkson/Zubrus.
Elias is also a FA. Everyone would love him though.
Clarkson is a RW. Would he play over Nash or Callahan? No. Clowe is the better option, IMO.
Streit is not as good as he once was, no. He is easily still a top-4 d-man. Pair him with Staal and he will be fine. The guy can move the puck and be a PP QB with his shot and IQ.
I don't think he gets close to what you have already stated he has asked for. I also don't trust Garrioch on pretty much anything he spews.
Just for Zubrus who barely played this season and is old.
Clowe, throughout his career, looks like a very mediocre player without being attached to Joe Pavelski or Logan Couture. What makes Clowe a better option than Clarkson? I thought Rangers fans want a non-defensive shell of a system and I don't see how Clowe, one of the slower NHLers in the league is a better fit than Clarkson, an equally awkward skater, but still better nonetheless. LW argument I can get, but realistically neither Clowe or Clarkson should be on the top 6.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/15/isles-captain-streit-i-want-to-be-back-i-love-it-here/
Streit right now is a bottom pairing, glorified PP specialist and paying him anywhere near his demands at those years is a big blunder in the making.
Here is a good article to read on the difference between the Isles' star defenseman (Visnovsky) and their former star defenseman (Streit)
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/201...adline-mark-streit-contract-lubomir-visnovsky
Streit had 5th best Corsi numbers on the Isles this year at ES and was relatively sheltered at ES. He was not a top 4 defender at ES for the Isles, but obviously gobbled up a lot of PP minutes. I don't think he can replace a potential Del Zotto move and at his apparent asking price, I would stay far away.
He was asking for 16m over 3 yrs and Snow was balking at that price.
Garrioch may be a tool, but he was not the only one with the Clowe 8 yr deal rumors. Renaud Lavoie also tweeted near deadline that the Flyers were in it on Clowe, who was demanding 8 yrs at the deadline.
34 is old and Zubrus was hit hard with injuries, but I think he is a very versatile piece for any roster, preferably in a bottom 6 role. Last season, he was on a strong 2nd line with Elias and Clarkson. He can play wings and slot at center position. Super versatility. Still a risk obviously if they invest many year in him.
There is no way Slats do not re sign Zucc. The way he talked about him when he retained his rights, after the regular season and now with the fiering of Torts (which i see as a sign he wants a more offensive style of hockey). Since coming back Zucc has been one of the better players in every game, played harder than guys twicw his size, and put up more points than most players both in regular season an PO's. He will be back next season for sure
If we trade Del Zotto for a center, go after Eberle or Duchene. Its got to be a young #1 center that we can build the forward core around.
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