2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XII

[nugg]

The last few seasons Tedenby played with some of the best players on the Devils and still stunk.

Teddy had a cup o' joe last season (4 games), and his hip was injured in game 1.

 

[nugg]

Gavrus is no longer a prospect, in my opinion. He's KHL bound now and I doubt we hear from him again.

What was he, a 7th? No big loss.

 

[hlaverty06]

Gavrus had top 6 potential but he had SO many concussion issues

 

[JimEIV]

As of right now, we don't. The depth is complete disaster. Now, that obviously can/will change assuming Brunner and MAYBE Raymond sign. All we've done so far is trade Kovy and Clarkson for Ryder, Clowe, and Olesz. That ain't gonna work. They'll be ok in the long run but its murky right now.

It's going to work and it is going work better than it has the last 2 of 3 seasons.

If we made no changes at all simply disturbing Kovalchuk's minutes would improve this team...sorry, I know no one wants to hear it, and I know you all had fun watching him but 30 or so goals playing 26+ minutes a night is pure garbage. That was literary playing a season and half every year and only producing average results.

Two guys playing 15 minutes a night scoring 15 to 20 goals is better production. Spread that through 3 lines and your team is far stronger. People are going to be surprised by how much BETTER the devils are going to be next season.

More production from lines 1 through 3 are almost certain with kovalchuk gone.

 

[nugg]

2x3 would be wonderful.

I'm waiting in anticipation on what is a yeat?

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

Picking up Raymond for cheap would add much needed speed and 15-20 goals. Seems like a no brainer. Only 27 too

 

[Chessarmy]

can we confirm this with link yet?

Devils Army Blog ‏@DevilsArmyBlog 2h
Damien Brunner is a Devil, per Nick Barlotta. $3 million per year, 1-2 years. Waiting for confirmation from NJD but sounds like its done.

Also, intriguing news here:

Devils Army Blog ‏@DevilsArmyBlog 2h
Devils are also "testing waters" on Dion Phaneuf, per Nick Barlotta. No pieces being talked about yet.

Bringing in Phaneuf would make NJD worlds better than last year. That would be amazing

 

[SeidoN]

can we confirm this with link yet?



Also, intriguing news here:



Bringing in Phaneuf would make NJD worlds better than last year. That would be amazing

confirm with link? Barlotta is a nobody!

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

It's going to work and it is going work better than it has the last 2 of 3 seasons.

If we made no changes at all simply disturbing Kovalchuk's minutes would improve this team...sorry, I know no one wants to hear it, and I know you all had fun watching him but 30 or so goals playing 26+ minutes a night is pure garbage. That was literary playing a season and half every year and only producing average results.

Two guys playing 15 minutes a night scoring 15 to 20 goals is better production. Spread that through 3 lines and your team is far stronger. People are going to be surprised by how much BETTER the devils are going to be next season.

More production from lines 1 through 3 are almost certain with kovalchuk gone.

Oh I totally agree with you but it does hinge on bringing in at least 1 more body which I assume will be Brunner tomorrow. Were still going to be one of the deepest squads in league and as long as the forecheck that we saw in 2012 comes back, they'll be fine. I really have no clue what kind of system they were rolling with last year but it was a mess and yes playing Kovy an ungodly amount of minutes was always a pet peeve of mine when it comes to Deboer. Assuming guys get back there normal production and the new guys do there career norms, we'll be a playoff team.

can we confirm this with link yet?



Also, intriguing news here:

No. None of those people/blogs know anything.

 

[schoenfeld]

phaneuf is a big stupid manbaby. no thanks.

sign him when hes UFA next summer if they really want him here.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

once someone with actual sources not named barlotta posts it, it will be official.

For now, some dude is making things up.

 

[downtown56]

can we confirm this with link yet?



Also, intriguing news here:



Bringing in Phaneuf would make NJD worlds better than last year. That would be amazing

Isn't that a fan run site?

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Im very much worried about next year with Brunner + Raymond if thats true. Look at how many new faces we are adding into our roster if this is the case:

Schneider
Ryder
Clowe
Raymond
Brunner
Oslev

Add the fact we are projecting Josefson to play, Tallinder is gone, Hedberg (in the locker room) gone... that is a TON of turnover. turnover generally leads to slow starts, and I dont know if thats something we could survive and make the playoffs with.

this is a very good point. One that shouldn't be overlooked. The only thing is... I feel like with forwards you can get away with this a bit more. Defenseman (see Sal when we acquired him) need time to gel. At least we have a training camp.

It's going to work and it is going work better than it has the last 2 of 3 seasons.

If we made no changes at all simply disturbing Kovalchuk's minutes would improve this team...sorry, I know no one wants to hear it, and I know you all had fun watching him but 30 or so goals playing 26+ minutes a night is pure garbage. That was literary playing a season and half every year and only producing average results.

Two guys playing 15 minutes a night scoring 15 to 20 goals is better production. Spread that through 3 lines and your team is far stronger. People are going to be surprised by how much BETTER the devils are going to be next season.

More production from lines 1 through 3 are almost certain with kovalchuk gone.

The thing I do like, is he won't be on the powerplay forever. It gives other guys a shot out there. Gives them the chance to catch a rhythm and get hot.

For example, take a guy like Zubrus. If you give him an extra 30 seconds of playing time a game, with the man advantage... he's likely to reap some benefits out of that. The other 30 seconds (since Kovy took up 2 full minutes) could go to a guy like Josefsson. Considering kovy was out there forever... he didn't exactly cash in like you would expect.


As far as Bogosian for Henrique? Just as speculation... Bogosian - i still feel - is going to be quite a player. He needs to stay healthy. But the skill he brings with his size, you don't find it every day. Not sure I'd give up Henrique... but I'd give up a decent amount for him.

 

[SeidoN]

after the 11-12 season I made a bet with my brother. that one day, Henriques number will be retired by the Devils. its bold as hell but theres a decent stake of cash in it. so please dont trade haha

 

[tycobb]

It's going to work and it is going work better than it has the last 2 of 3 seasons.

If we made no changes at all simply disturbing Kovalchuk's minutes would improve this team...sorry, I know no one wants to hear it, and I know you all had fun watching him but 30 or so goals playing 26+ minutes a night is pure garbage. That was literary playing a season and half every year and only producing average results.

Two guys playing 15 minutes a night scoring 15 to 20 goals is better production. Spread that through 3 lines and your team is far stronger. People are going to be surprised by how much BETTER the devils are going to be next season.

More production from lines 1 through 3 are almost certain with kovalchuk gone.

The devils don't improve at all from losing Kovalchuk. He played a lot of minutes because him being tired was better than half our team fully rested. Our team would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with Kovy than without Kovy (including whoever is his replacement).

 

[aboriginal]

We don't need Raymond. **** him.

 

[tycobb]

We don't need Raymond. **** him.

Why not? Seems like a cheap option to get 15+ goals.

 

[SeidoN]

Nick Barlotta ‏@NickBarlottaFN 1h
I continue to stick with it Brunner to devs ..DONE

Kieran Byrne ‏@KieranByrne 49m
@NickBarlottaFN just like Gerbe on Jun 8th and the Jets Henrique trade on June 6th. yea ok

Nick Barlotta ‏@NickBarlottaFN 3m
@KieranByrne did I ever say Henrique would be traded for sure

Kieran Byrne ‏@KieranByrne 1m
@NickBarlottaFN "Big Time #NHL news coming soon.. #Devils #Jets #Trade #Henrique" So what was the news then, I guess I missed it

Nick Barlotta ‏@NickBarlottaFN 26s
@KieranByrne devils were talking about trading Henrique never did.

Nick Barlotta ‏@NickBarlottaFN 1m
@KieranByrne so i guess when "real reporters" put that Phaneuf,mezzaros,and vanek would be traded.. there not credible

haha hes fun

 

[JimEIV]

The devils don't improve at all from losing Kovalchuk. He played a lot of minutes because him being tired was better than half our team fully rested. Our team would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with Kovy v without Kovy (including whoever is his replacement).

. If you take 26 minutes a night and spread that out through your top 9 I'm saying the added minutes to other players will equal or surpass Kovalchuk's rather lackluster production....you are essentially talking 3 extra goals per player with those minutes and power play time. That is a relatively easy task.

You have distributed scoring, you don't have to rely on one player to produce a significant portion of offense, you don't have to worry about that player being shutdown or having a bad night....all that makes a team MUCH BETTER.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I do think the deal with Brunner is done, seems like all the others where Lou had it done well before it was announced. Still that guy is a nobody, he is just trying to jump the gun so he can look like he has "sources"

Give me a source either that Swiss beat writer or something and then I'll buy it.

Henrique would have to pass all of Patty's numbers as a Devil to get retired number.

Marty and Patty are the next two numbers up and then the banner shop is getting closed up for a long time. It is going to take someone really special to have a banner go up after Patty. Love Henrique to death, and I do expect him to become a star, but that is asking a lot.

 

[SeidoN]

I do think the deal with Brunner is done, seems like all the others where Lou had it done well before it was announced. Still that guy is a nobody, he is just trying to jump the gun so he can look like he has "sources"

Give me a source either that Swiss beat writer or something and then I'll buy it.

Henrique would have to pass all of Patty's numbers as a Devil to get retired number.

Marty and Patty are the next two numbers up and then the banner shop is getting closed up for a long time. It is going to take someone really special to have a banner go up after Patty. Love Henrique to death, and I do expect him to become a star, but that is asking a lot.

I know, I got good odds

 

[tycobb]

. If you take 26 minutes a night and spread that out through your top 9 I'm saying the added minutes to other players will equal or surpass Kovalchuk's rather lackluster production....you are essentially talking 3 extra goals per player with those minutes and power play time. That is a relatively easy task.

You have distributed scoring, you don't have to rely on one player to produce a significant portion of offense, you don't have to worry about that player being shutdown or having a bad night....all that makes a team MUCH BETTER.

No they won't. Pete played Kovy because it was the best thing for the team. Giving 2 more minutes to D'Agostine, Sullivan, Ponikarovsky, Carter, Loktionov, Matteu, Kostopoulos, Josefson, Gionta, or Bernier wasn't going to help the team at all.

Kovalchuk is a tremendous hockey player who has the ability to play a lot of minutes. Just because his P/60 or G/60 isn't anything special doesn't take away from how good he was for us. For his entire career he was his team's #1 scoring threat having to play against the other team's top defensive pairs and put up .51 G, .49 A, 1.00 PTS. He would have been a lock for the hall of fame if he didn't just quit.

Kovy ATOI was never 26 minutes.

 

[jkrdevil]

Stop quoting Nock Bartolla...he is a fantasy football writer.

 

[apice3*]

I believe the Brunner deal is done, pending a bunch of little things.

I don't believe we're in on Phaneuf. Toronto has no reason to trade him, and history suggests when the Devils are in on a trade, literally no one knows about it until it's completed.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Unless Lou saw something he really didn't like in his homework, I'd expect Brunner to be done tomorrow or Tuesday.

This guy is just throwing darts at the wall and hoping to hit a bullseye to get more followers.

I think we will get through the roster turnover. D is still completely intact, and I have confidence that our guys will find chemistry with the new guys.

I still think EZ-Ryder will be a very effective line. Been said that Ryder needs a playmaker, and you can't ask for a better one in Elias, and Zajac will win them tons of face offs to make plays. Patty is going to set up a lot of goals for Ryder and he will rack up lots of assists because of it.

I am still praying Lou finds a way to dump Volch, extra cap flexibility will go a long way and gives us more options either now or at the deadline for moves as I FULLY 100% expect this team to be competitive and not be sellers at the deadline.