2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XII

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JimEIV

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We had 13 games that went extra time. 4 of the first 6 games went to overtime. That is the only reason why Kovy was leading the league in minutes. Plus Kovy at the time was one of the few players on the team that was in actually hockey shape since he played a ton in KHL.

Kovy was the only reason why we even had a chance to make the playoffs these last 3 years. Brodeur/Hedberg was more of the reason why we missed the playoffs last season especially. Our team just hasn't been great.

Kovy was great in the clubhouse and worked his butt off on the ice. He is going to be missed tremendously.

If we make the playoff this season it isn't going to be because we don't have Kovy. It is going to be because of Schneider.

When we make the playoffs it is going to be because of balance.. balance forwards and defense.
 

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Why would people not want Raymond for the 3rd line?

Have you seen him play? Dude is Clarkson with more speed and less toughness. He doesn't drive the net with his speed and he can't beat defenders 1 on 1 and he doesn't use his teammates.

Oh and he doesn't score goals either.

I don't think he'd be a bad addition, but lord help us if we're expecting him to contribute offensively.
 

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It still hasn't sunk in.

We're a sooo much weaker team in every aspect without Kovalchuk. Him leaving creates such an enormous hole it's not even funny.

No matter if we add anyone else, this team is just so much weaker without him. That's what's bothering me the most.....
 

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The thing is, Detroit doesn't want to pay a guy 3 Mil to be a third liner. Too much depth. Brunner can fit nicely in our top 6 for 3 Mil.

The real issue with Detroit was that they think more highly of their prospects ATM. No reason to hold on to Brunner for 3 times the amount that Tatar and Nyquist will make, and it's time for both of those guys to get chances.
 

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I keep getting on here every few hours, and I see ''Confirmed with link'' thinking maybe it's something new, but it's just the Kovalchuk thread.:laugh:

By the way, Eklund started the Phaneuf rumor. Don't believe him. How are we gonna get Phaneuf anyway? We'd have to trade a forward (I don't wanna even guess who) or give them a defenseman or something. We're not gonna be able to buyout Volchenkov right now, or jettison Salvador to the moon.
 

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It still hasn't sunk in.

We're a sooo much weaker team in every aspect without Kovalchuk. Him leaving creates such an enormous hole it's not even funny.

No matter if we add anyone else, this team is just so much weaker without him. That's what's bothering me the most.....

What bothers me the most is that however great we do this year or next year or the next 15 years.. there's always going to be that nagging question "Would we have done better with Kovalchuk?"

Obviously the flip side of that question also applies but.. you just don't consider such things normally :laugh:
 

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It still hasn't sunk in.

We're a sooo much weaker team in every aspect without Kovalchuk. Him leaving creates such an enormous hole it's not even funny.

No matter if we add anyone else, this team is just so much weaker without him. That's what's bothering me the most.....

I really hope you're wrong. Never want the Devils to become a one man team
 

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It still hasn't sunk in.

We're a sooo much weaker team in every aspect without Kovalchuk. Him leaving creates such an enormous hole it's not even funny.

No matter if we add anyone else, this team is just so much weaker without him. That's what's bothering me the most.....

I bet the powerplay gets better without trying to shoehorn Kovalchuk into every second of it. Patrick Ewing effect.

And to be honest, I'm not super worried about the Devils, either. Someone will step up, and if not, Lou will make the necessary changes.
 

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What bothers me the most is that however great we do this year or next year or the next 15 years.. there's always going to be that nagging question "Would we have done better with Kovalchuk?"

Obviously the flip side of that question also applies but.. you just don't consider such things normally :laugh:

I'm going to really dread hearing all of the sports analysts discussing "What will the Devils do without Kovalchuk?" or "How will they replace Kovalchuk?"

Hearing all the **** they had to say about Zack and then when Kovy was injured.... It just doesn't end :shakehead
 

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I'm not well versed on Brunner's play. Supposedly the Red Wings think very highly of him, but $3,000,000 per year is too steep of a price for them? I hear he's a hard worker, heart and soul, loves to shoot the puck, but not so great defensively (which is a problem that can be fixed with this team). What else do we know about him?

They don't have the cap space to sign him. They only have 2.3mil left and they need to sign Nyquist who they are higher on.
 

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Remember when we were a 1 line team after the lockout(2005)and the best line was Elias -Gomez-Gionta and we still managed 40+ win seasons...

We have more talent and balance those teams today and our defense is better. I expect similar results.

I am all aboard the Jim positive train right now!!! :yo:
 

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Is Spectorshockey a reliable source? Or whatever that tweet is from?

I'm not too up to date on who's reliable, and who isn't. Obviously I'd believe McKenzie, Dreger, or the TSN guys. And I wouldn't believe Eklund, Hockeyinsider, or the Fourth Period.
 

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It still hasn't sunk in.

We're a sooo much weaker team in every aspect without Kovalchuk. Him leaving creates such an enormous hole it's not even funny.

No matter if we add anyone else, this team is just so much weaker without him. That's what's bothering me the most.....

We're actually a stronger team in every aspect aside from goalscoring so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Our two biggest issues last year were goalscoring and goaltending. We fixed the goaltending with Schneider, and we fixed the goalscoring by adding Ryder, Clowe, and (assumed) Brunner. Then we lost 17, so our goalscoring is back where we started, slightly worse I would imagine.

Aside from that, replacing 17 and Clarkson with Ryder, Clowe, and Brunner improves our speed, physicality, and defense. Playmaking is probably a wash, we've downgrade slightly in goalscoring, and we've dipped in top end talent, but we've improved the depth tremendously.

This team is going to surprise a lot of people next year. The last time I said that was prior to 2011-12.
 

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I am all aboard the Jim positive train right now!!! :yo:

I think I am too! Is this for real?:laugh:

The Schneider will work wonders for this team as long as Pete handles the goalie situation the right way. That's if Marty doesn't retain some of his brilliance that he still possesses when healthy.

I think everyone here is gonna love Schneider. I've absolutely loved him for years now, and have woke up many groggy mornings after staying up to watch Canucks games because of him!:yo:
 

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I look at the Bruins and I begin to to believe there is no such thing as a "new NHL". ..

Because if you look at that team, it is built exactly like a late 1990's devil team....it also gives me reason to believe/validate that 4 balanced lines is the only way to build a team. Have philosophy stick with it and have your players buy in and all pull in the same direction = success

It is the formula NJ gave to the rest of the league and I'm looking forward to seeing it again.
 

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Is Spectorshockey a reliable source? Or whatever that tweet is from?

I'm not too up to date on who's reliable, and who isn't. Obviously I'd believe McKenzie, Dreger, or the TSN guys. And I wouldn't believe Eklund, Hockeyinsider, or the Fourth Period.

He's not even breaking the news. He's relaying a message from @SwissNHL. Reading their tweets, they don't sound like the type to be spreading bogus lies. Although they did say "rumor has it" so who knows if they're referring the that Barlotta guy.

TG said we were in a Brunner, and he usually waits as late as possible to break that type of news. We're probably just working out the finer details.
 

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unfortunately those teams kind of happened at expense of martys prime years.

Marty was great for most of 05-06, but he didn't have to be as good that year as he had to be the next two years after that.

05-06 was a pretty damn good team offensively, but when you looked at the lineup it wasn't all that great. Penalty's going up that year after the lockout had something to do with that, but the Johnny Mac PP special wasn't even in the top 15 that year anyway. Early that year we were under 500 before Elias returned, but Marty wasn't that good for the first half of that season due to working off the lockout rust and weight.
 
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