2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XII

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yehyeh

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I thought we were getting Henrique terms this weekend... or were they put on the back brunner :sarcasm:
 

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One thing I wanna see this year aside from minimal use of the goons (I think I might get my wish on that one too finally) is no more of these useless warm body players like Sestito or Pelley. I wanna see skilled guys up like Pesonen, or Whitney. Guys who give us a better chance to create some offense. Sestito hasn't had an NHL point in years, and Pelley probably belongs in the AHL considering nobody wanted him.

That would make me feel a whole lot better than useless Sestito who seems to be the default call up guy.
 

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I would say a 920-925 is a reasonable guess at what Schneider's save percentage would be.

It will probably go down a little bit from Vancouver, because we give up less shots on goal than they do. So each goal he gives up will bring it slightly down since he'll be facing less shots. It doesn't mean he won't be as good as he was in Vancouver though unless you're just watching the stats and not the games. He'll be a definite huge upgrade in stats and to the eyes over Hedberg, and still an upgrade over a 41 year old Marty.

It will also depend on the teams penalty killing too. If the PK is a POS again like last year then it might be significantly lower, but at even strength it should be just as good. Our PK **** the bed last year, and let the goalies down a lot. The shot counter at Prudential Center also undercounts shots, so it's possible his save percentage takes a slight dive from that.
 

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LOL...that would be hysterical!!! :laugh:

I could imagine all of the tongue twisting the announcers would be experiencing every period, every night.

When we made the Kurtis Foster trade, the 2011 Ducks were a Trevor Smith AHL call-up away from a Rod Pelley - Trevor Smith - Devante Smith-Pelley line.
 

jkrdevil

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I look at the Bruins and I begin to to believe there is no such thing as a "new NHL". ..

Because if you look at that team, it is built exactly like a late 1990's devil team....it also gives me reason to believe/validate that 4 balanced lines is the only way to build a team. Have philosophy stick with it and have your players buy in and all pull in the same direction = success

It is the formula NJ gave to the rest of the league and I'm looking forward to seeing it again.

It depends on on your top end talent. Chicago just won two cups with a top heavy core and a completely different bottom 6 from just 3 years prior.

We also came damn close to winning the cup with a top heavy team.
 

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I would say a 920-925 is a reasonable guess at what Schneider's save percentage would be.

It will probably go down a little bit from Vancouver, because we give up less shots on goal than they do. So each goal he gives up will bring it slightly down since he'll be facing less shots. It doesn't mean he won't be as good as he was in Vancouver though unless you're just watching the stats and not the games. He'll be a definite huge upgrade in stats and to the eyes over Hedberg, and still an upgrade over a 41 year old Marty.

It will also depend on the teams penalty killing too. If the PK is a POS again like last year then it might be significantly lower, but at even strength it should be just as good. Our PK **** the bed last year, and let the goalies down a lot. The shot counter at Prudential Center also undercounts shots, so it's possible his save percentage takes a slight dive from that.

.920 is high...If he is around .920 he'll lead the league in shutouts with the amount of shots he will face.. but I'm not convinced he'll win the job outright from Brodeur.

I believe Brodeur still has some left in him and I think when he gets pushed we are going to see a level that not many goalies who've played the game are capable of.
 

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In NHL13 Damien is rated:
92 SKT
91 SHT
90 HND
72 CHK
79 DEF

I know it's just a videogame but I'd say that's pretty accurate. And we need more fast skaters.
 

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It depends on on your top end talent. Chicago just won two cups with a top heavy core and a completely different bottom 6 from just 3 years prior.

We also came damn close to winning the cup with a top heavy team.

Well we were able to roll 4 lines easily. We lack established stars in this year's version.
 

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It depends on on your top end talent. Chicago just won two cups with a top heavy core and a completely different bottom 6 from just 3 years prior.

We also came damn close to winning the cup with a top heavy team.

Our bottom 6 was pretty much the reason we advanced as far as we did...our 4th line was spectacular for most of the playoffs.
 

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.920 is high...If he is around .920 he'll lead the league in shutouts with the amount of shots he will face.. but I'm not convinced he'll win the job outright from Brodeur.

I believe Brodeur still has some left in him and I think when he gets pushed we are going to see a level that not many goalies who've played the game are capable of.

I just want whoever gives us the better chance to win. I don't want it run like the defensemen rotation from last season, like one of the goalies is benched and the other one isn't taken out until multiple bad outings.
 

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In NHL13 Damien is rated:
92 SKT
91 SHT
90 HND
72 CHK
79 DEF

I know it's just a videogame but I'd say that's pretty accurate. And we need more fast skaters.

remember HUT does its weighted stats differently. its better to look at the advanced stats in the main roster menu
 

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Our bottom 6 was pretty much the reason we advanced as far as we did...our 4th line was spectacular for most of the playoffs.

4th line **** on the Rangers :laugh:

I don't remember them much in the Panthers series or the Flyers series though.. I'm sure they contributed but not nearly as much as the Rangers series.
 

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I just want whoever gives us the better chance to win. I don't want it run like the defensemen rotation from last season, like one of the goalies is benched and the other one isn't taken out until multiple bad outings.

Why not? A rotation with goalies isn't the worst thing. Someone will emerge as the #1 by spring and whoever it is will have earned it I'm sure.
 

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You have to have 4 competent lines, but that was still a top heavy team. The 4th line had success vs the Rangers because the Rangers were even more of a top heavy team (without as good as top level talent). Other than that it was the top 6 that drove things that playoff.

But that is besides the point. My point was both ways can work depending on talent. For us going forward 4 deep lines has to be the way, because the top end talent besides Elias isn't there
 

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4th line **** on the Rangers :laugh:

I don't remember them much in the Panthers series or the Flyers series though.. I'm sure they contributed but not nearly as much as the Rangers series.

They killed the flyers with the forecheck.. there were shifts that line kept the puck in the flyers zone their entire shift.
 

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It depends on on your top end talent. Chicago just won two cups with a top heavy core and a completely different bottom 6 from just 3 years prior.

We also came damn close to winning the cup with a top heavy team.

We weren't really top heavy. We had top talent but the depth is what got us that far.
 

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We need 5 20 goal scorers to be really successful this season I think.
 

DevilChuk*

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They killed the flyers with the forecheck.. there were shifts that line kept the puck in the flyers zone their entire shift.

Yea I remember some great shifts.. but were the goals there too?

Cause by damn they must have accounted for 25-30% of our goals in the Rangers series
 

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Why not? A rotation with goalies isn't the worst thing. Someone will emerge as the #1 by spring and whoever it is will have earned it I'm sure.

Don't get me wrong, alternating starts or a couple starts for each before putting the other in isn't bad. I'm afraid it will be someone going in there, and needing to have 3 not so good to bad games before being taken out. That's what I remember from the defense carousel last year. I remember multiple and consecutive bad games by guys before they were sent out. And I mean REALLY bad games. One off the top of my head was how awful Tallinder was for two games. I mean awful, not just bad, and it took a third game before he was taken out. Fayne or Larsson sat during those games too. Luckily Tallinder was pretty solid when he came back in. Just examples I'm thinking of.
 
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