2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XII

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Cheddabombs

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I'd love to have Bogosian on our team but we'd have to deal forwards for sure, namely Henrique, and I don't see the purpose of dealing from a position of weakness for a position of strength.
 

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given our current D, and D in the system, I think focussing on improving the forwards is important now. even one of our forward prospects used to be a D :laugh:
 

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I'd love to have Bogosian on our team but we'd have to deal forwards for sure, namely Henrique, and I don't see the purpose of dealing from a position of weakness for a position of strength.

I agree, but my mind is attempting to logically understand why the devils would be in on both Brunner and Raymond. If so, Lou could be attempting some kind of trade. I know he wishes the defense had a nastier edge because that is historically Lou's preference.
 

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hes staked a 100% claim that hes right. if he isnt, we can discount him forever
 

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After one of the TSN guys (Dreger i think) reported that is was down to NJ and Boston. And figuring out a realistic cap hit ain't rocket sciene.

I think he is full of it, pretty easy to speculate that Brunner is a done deal to the Devils. Who honestly has multiple sources within the Devils organization anyway.....just throwing crap at the well and hoping that it sticks so he can say he broke the signing first.
 
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Posted this on NJDEVS, but I thought I'd share


I hate doing this because a lot of goal scoring relies on luck, linemates, etc. But I'm going to take a stab at this:

Ryder (~ 30)
Elias/Henrique/Brunner (~20)
Zajac/Clowe/Zubrus (~15)
Bernier/Loktionov/Carter/Josefson (~10)

Adding that up and then giving them another 10 from Olesz and Gionta combined, totals 185 from the forwards. I also believe I am shortchanging some forwards like Elias and Clowe.

Compare that to 2011-2012 when our forwards scored exactly 200 goals. Not exactly a huge difference and I believe we have a more offensive minded defense than we did a couple of years ago. Combine that with a .920 from Schneider and I see no reason why we cant make the playoffs
 

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I agree, but my mind is attempting to logically understand why the devils would be in on both Brunner and Raymond. If so, Lou could be attempting some kind of trade. I know he wishes the defense had a nastier edge because that is historically Lou's preference.

Rumors are just that until something happens, rumors. I personally believe we'll end up getting Brunner but Raymond isn't a sure thing and I'm not sold on him signing here yet. Besides, free agents are nice and dandy right now but for the future we should be building around our core. We have young guys on defense that can be a part of that, we have Schneider now, but forwards is a different story. Trading Henrique, one of the few forwards part of this team's future core, for another young defenseman just doesn't make sense to me.
 

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Posted this on NJDEVS, but I thought I'd share


I hate doing this because a lot of goal scoring relies on luck, linemates, etc. But I'm going to take a stab at this:

Ryder (~ 30)
Elias/Henrique/Brunner (~20)
Zajac/Clowe/Zubrus (~15)
Bernier/Loktionov/Carter/Josefson (~10)

Adding that up and then giving them another 10 from Olesz and Gionta combined, totals 185 from the forwards. I also believe I am shortchanging some forwards like Elias and Clowe.

Compare that to 2011-2012 when our forwards scored exactly 200 goals. Not exactly a huge difference and I believe we have a more offensive minded defense than we did a couple of years ago. Combine that with a .920 from Schneider and I see no reason why we cant make the playoffs

thats the spirit. honestly we have to start being positive and not expecting to suck
 

OOOOIIIO

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Im very much worried about next year with Brunner + Raymond if thats true. Look at how many new faces we are adding into our roster if this is the case:

Schneider
Ryder
Clowe
Raymond
Brunner
Oslev

Add the fact we are projecting Josefson to play, Tallinder is gone, Hedberg (in the locker room) gone... that is a TON of turnover. turnover generally leads to slow starts, and I dont know if thats something we could survive and make the playoffs with.
 

JimEIV

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Im very much worried about next year with Brunner + Raymond if thats true. Look at how many new faces we are adding into our roster if this is the case:

Schneider
Ryder
Clowe
Raymond
Brunner
Oslev

Add the fact we are projecting Josefson to play, Tallinder is gone, Hedberg (in the locker room) gone... that is a TON of turnover. turnover generally leads to slow starts, and I dont know if thats something we could survive and make the playoffs with.

I agree that a ton of turnover leads to slow starts...but I don't think there was anyway around that this season.

Just hope that you find a top two line that clicks and everything else should eventually follow with tweaks here and there.
 

SeidoN

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Im very much worried about next year with Brunner + Raymond if thats true. Look at how many new faces we are adding into our roster if this is the case:

Schneider
Ryder
Clowe
Raymond
Brunner
Oslev

Add the fact we are projecting Josefson to play, Tallinder is gone, Hedberg (in the locker room) gone... that is a TON of turnover. turnover generally leads to slow starts, and I dont know if thats something we could survive and make the playoffs with.

it is alot of new faces, but we had a few big faces bail in the last 13 months
 

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Nick Barlotta has 329 twitter followers...

So what? Does Devilswede even have a twitter yet he still comes through with good inside information. Number of twitter followers != ability to have an inside source within an orginization.

it is alot of new faces, but we had a few big faces bail in the last 13 months

Thats kinda my point though. We didnt seem to do well with player turn over last year. Kovlachuk + Marty injury aside do you honestly think we have statistically as bad a year as we do last year if Parise was still here? Morale seemed broken when the second leading scorer left the team.
 

Benedict Parisechuk

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So what? Does Devilswede even have a twitter yet he still comes through with good inside information. Number of twitter followers != ability to have an inside source within an orginization.

I'm just saying, your setting yourself up for disappointment if you believe EVERYTHING on twitter. There's a decent chance this guy could be a fraud. Don't hang onto to every last word he says.
 

SeidoN

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Thats kinda my point though. We didnt seem to do well with player turn over last year. Kovlachuk + Marty injury aside do you honestly think we have statistically as bad a year as we do last year if Parise was still here? Morale seemed broken when the second leading scorer left the team.

if Marty went down last year and we had Schneider to step in, thats a few more wins right there imo.

plus, we replaced Kovalchuk with scoring depth, instead of relying heavily on one player. now, if Ryder goes down, we have more depth scoring than last year when we turned to the likes of Sullivan and Poni to step up.

honestly every day that passes I feel better about the Devils having scoring depth over one superstar
 

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As I've always said on this site, any source with good news is automatically credible. Any source with bad news is automatically making **** up. Very annoying. Let me know when that kid breaks a signing or trade that hasn't been reported previously. He has no inside sources.
 
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