Avs have no interest or cap space. They don’t need a 1C. They don’t need a crazy expensive 2C rental.
Value of: (1 yr rental) Matthews to COL BOS CAR SEA VGK
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Avs44
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I mean...all I care about is a second cup. I'd mortgage the future for Matthews and dump assets as necessary to fit him in cap-wise. And who knows what happens with Nuke/Landy.
Avs would target a 2C. Not a highly expensive 1C.
Someone like D Toews for Lindholm makes more sense. There. 2C problem fixed.
Avs have Byram to replace Toews. Newhook may turn into a 2LW, but he’s too small to be a 2C.
Let’s pray Nuke hasn’t ruined his reputation with the club and Landys career isn’t over.
Matthews with retention to Colorado for Byram straight up.
The only trade that makes sense to me is Arizona. He can hammer out an 8 year mega deal, Arizona can finally get a super star home grown talent and maybe get something going in that area, maybe a new arena, maybe you can attract some free agents and become competitive again
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The Leafs aren't retaining salary because they're a contending playoff team. A third party team can be involved in the trade and retain salary if needed.
Lehkonen was put into the OP because Matthews has a $11m cap hit, and unless Colorado can convince a third team to retain a lot of Matthews' cap hit / salary, they're going to need to be sending cap back in the deal. Girard is the most expendable Av with a cap hit that isn't small. After that it's Lehkonen. Avs don't want to move Lehkonen, but he's more expendable than Makar, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nichushkin, Landeskog.
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He's UFA not RFA next summer. Your post is the whole reason I made this thread. MAYBE you can extend him, or MAYBE you can sign and trade him somewhere that he wants to be long term. BUT, if you can't, then you have to look at what your remaining available options are. Trading him to a team that he won't extend with for just a one year cup run is Plan C. A Kahwi Leonard to the Raptors situation, if you will. "Keeping him and hoping he extends later on" is Plan D and the Leafs need to avoid that plan at all costs.
Speak for yourself on that.
Or trade Toews + 1st for Matthews. And trade another 1st to Arizona for 50% retention on Matthews.
I'll take Matthews over Lindholm literally 100/100 times.
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I think it makes a lot of sense if Arizona gets like 3-5 overall pick to do this trade.
Toronto needs cheap scoring, Arizona would benefit from a legit superstar
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According to HFBoards LA Kings fans, they aren't willing to trade anything of value for Matthews, because they're fully confident that he'll still be a UFA on July 01 2024 and they're fully confident that they can sign him as a UFA to replace Kopitar (and... let Kopitar walk? Why?)
Don't ask me to explain the logic, I'm just repeating what I've been told over and over.
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You don't trade a player as young and as good as Byram for a player with 1 year on their contract and then UFA. I don't care that it's a superstar. If Matthews was extending or had multiple years on his contract? Sure, okay.
True but at the cost of the very few prospects the Bruins have might be a hefty gamble.
Why would anyone want a perpetual playoff loser?
Or he could sign there in a year without his future team having to give anything up to get him.
Arizona is a moot point - they wouldn’t want to pay his salary and while I actually like the Phoenix area it’s not exactly where a young star athlete who enjoys the celebrity lifestyle would want to live. LA and Anaheim are close enough to home for family and friends to see him play, offer more on the glamour side of things, and have a better chance of being competitive if Matthews cares about that.
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Yeah but it's likely Kopitar would a pay cut to be 3rd line center (and later on 4th line center maybe?) to retire with the LA Kings. The fans were so upset when Quick was traded away, and they view Drew Doughty as completely untouchable... but now they want to tell Kopitar to just go F himself? Doesn't make sense to me.
A 37 year old Kopitar and a 26 year old Matthews would not play the same role for LA going forward at all
If Kopitar stays for a token salary it wouldn't have any bearing on them going for Matthews or not, and given how they dispatched with Quick its unlikely they'd choose Kopitar over Matthews if they had a shot at both but Kopitar wanted his market value
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Buffalo has plenty of cap space but no way would GMKA ever give up the assets for one year of AM.
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LA doesn't have the cap space in 2023-2024 to fit Matthews, and really no way to get there, (not going to trade the multiple roster pieces to get a rental) in 2024 Kopitar's contract ends and if he resigns with LA (and no reason he won't) LA might be able to sign Matthews then (cap will still be tight but doable then).
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He'll be fired after they are eliminated. That would be the nightmare dealings for the new GM.
lanceuppercut75
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Yeah. The only "Matthews to the Kings" trade that works THIS summer involves 50% retention from a third team, or it involves Matthews signing a long term extension with the Kings and two of Danault, Kampe, Fiala, Iafallo going back to the Leafs, for trade value purposes but also for cap purposes.
Next summer probably makes more sense for the Kings, but the Kings are just hoping that Matthews hasn't extended with the Leafs or whatever team the Leafs have traded him to by July 01 2024. It's a gamble. If the Kings GM and management REALLY want Matthews, they're taking a risk waiting a year. Who knows what Kings management is thinking though. It's possible they just want Matthews but aren't all-in on him.
