1.8 Goals Per Game... Seriously.

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I'd say it's fair to say Matthews and Marner will be expected to produce and getting blanked for a game isn't a good look. Bit nobody should even blink if that tandem destroys Price next game

The bar has been set very high for Matthews and Marner based on regular season production and past playoff disappointment. They could light up Price in Game 2 and in the back of my mind it's probably just going to be "Ok you're keeping pace with Mackinnon and Rantanen. Next."
 
Sure will be interesting if we lose the series.

34, Dubas and Keefe all have their fan club

Campbell is the preferred next one.

Nylander is a target but he's the only one who scored.

Who do you blame if it all goes wrong?

I'd rather not think about it.

The refs, the injury to JT, Reilly, hot goalie, the ice.

Roughly in that order
 
Another 4 goal night thus far for Carolina. Aho, Svechnikov and Teravainen combining for another, standard, 5 point effort to this point.
 
and Andy had a 9.36 sv% against Columbus last year yet i endlessly read on here how he cost us the series
"Endlessly read"?

It's a few psychotic homers who figure Freddy is the only thing separating the Leafs from a cup. No need to be dramatic.
 
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Posting this again.

"The Leafs generated the least amount of scoring chances (13) and the least amount of high danger scoring chances (5) among any team in any game so far in the playoffs."

This is 5-on-5. In our game, we played 1/3 of the game either on the PP or on the PK. We also did not play in OT, while a lot of other teams did. In terms of rates, it is 7th worst in SCF and 12th worst in terms of HDCF. There were some really good teams on that list, and surprisingly teams won more than they lost despite that.

And before people say this is a consistent trend. In the past 3 years, this is only the 4th game out of 13 games where we were below 50% in HDCF% and 5th game below 50% SCF% at 5-on-5. Many of our performances the past three years would have put us around average, if not above it, compared to games played this year in terms of HDCF/60 and SCF/60... And we played two tight checking teams that were known for their defensive play. A lot of games this year have been really sloppy so chances have been higher so the fact we are even average given those two factors is fairly impressive.

We were also above 50% for xGF% and were above average in that regard based on the games played this year. We have only been below 50% 4 times. 7th time we've had a SH% below 5% at 5-on-5 though, so that is the thing that has really hindered us. Part of that is finish and part of that is also goaltending. We are not having much trouble generating chances at 5-on-5 in general though, and it wasn't like Montreal was doing much better in that regard either.

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Now let's take a look at PP (out of 44 total entries; 22 games, 2 teams each)

8th best performance in terms of HDCF/60 so far. 6th best in SCF/60. 8th in xGF/60. Top 3 in all of those categories in the 13 games we've played in the past 3 years too. Maybe we didn't make Price work as hard at 5-on-5 as we would have liked, but we had to make him work really hard on the PK. Montreal was around dead middle in both categories on the PP. Main thing was we made a stupid error that cost us and, as usual, we need to convert. Only 5 PP GF in 13 games the past 3 years (and now 1 GA).

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Conversion is not an issue for us in the regular season, but is in the playoffs, even though we still get our fair share of chances and generally do better than the other team in that regard. Goalies make big saves against us and we hit the post or miss the net. We've also had games where our goalie could not keep us in the game by making basic saves. I won't blame Campbell too much on that game winner because ultimately it was fairly flukey (although he probably should not have gone for the poke check) and Sandin/Thornton deserve a lot more blame for making it happen in the first place, but far too often we lose these close games because of something like that. Ultimately that comes down to the players to figure out, because there is not much Dubas, Keefe, or any other GM/coach is going to do to fix whatever "unclutch" ability some of our guys have.

In the end it is one game and I think most people anticipated there would be at least one game where the Habs would have a lot of things go their way and steal it. I think many hoped it wouldn't be the first game, but it is nothing the Leafs should be getting in their heads about because that will only make them do worse. There were a lot of positives to take from that game and from a pure luck standpoint I don't think it could have been much worse for us. Habs missed some golden opportunities too but they had the Byron goal work out and a few big Price saves that were the difference. Of course that is on top of losing Tavares (core player/center/captain) and having to shuffle the lines for 5/6's of the game.
 
The bar has been set very high for Matthews and Marner based on regular season production and past playoff disappointment. They could light up Price in Game 2 and in the back of my mind it's probably just going to be "Ok you're keeping pace with Mackinnon and Rantanen. Next."

Exactly. A good game 2 is the least I expect. To really show that this year is different they need to put together 3-4 dominant performances. It’s long overdue guys, now get it done.
 
Vasilevsky has given up 10 goals in the first 3 games of the Lightning vs Panthers series, yet Tampa Bay is leading 2-1. Why? Because their forwards show **** up and score goals to support him.

Tampa has been brutal 5-on-5 but has the (very) slight edge on special teams and in net. Their PP may have been able to win them one game (barely), but Bobrovsky/Driedger handed Tampa at least one win and Driedger made Florida's one win yesterday a lot closer than it should have been. Tampa's forwards would not be looking too hot if it wasn't for Florida's goaltending, and their 2-1 lead could easily evapourate if they maintain their current standard of play.

Vasilevsky has been far from dominant, but he's been good enough to outlast the other team's goalies. That's may not continue to be the case and if all else stays the same, Tampa could be losing that series in 6.
 
Tampa has been brutal 5-on-5 but has the (very) slight edge on special teams and in net. Their PP may have been able to win them one game (barely), but Bobrovsky/Driedger handed Tampa at least one win and Driedger made Florida's one win yesterday a lot closer than it should have been. Tampa's forwards would not be looking too hot if it wasn't for Florida's goaltending, and their 2-1 lead could easily evapourate if they maintain their current standard of play.

Vasilevsky has been far from dominant, but he's been good enough to outlast the other team's goalies. That's may not continue to be the case and if all else stays the same, Tampa could be losing that series in 6.

13 goals over the first 3 games of the series is not an accident. Tampa Bay's forwards are productive, as they should be. They've scored 6 more goals today (dominating Florida), totaling 19 goals through the first 4 games of the series and Hedman, Kucherov, Stamkos and Point have combined for 6 more points today.

It's time to stop excusing Toronto's highly paid forwards for not producing at an elite level in the playoffs. They're not producing anywhere near Tampa Bay's stars pace right now (dating back to what both teams did last year in the playoffs). That has to change. There are no excuses for the disparity in production between the two groups.
 
Seeing the level of intensity the teams were playing at before the Leafs started their series honestly brought it all back to me.

I like to think it'll be different, but it's been proven multiple times that our stars hate being in high intensity games. They refuse to embrace the grind.

Unfortunately this is 100% bang on.
 
13 goals over the first 3 games of the series is not an accident. Tampa Bay's forwards are productive, as they should be. They've scored 6 more goals today (dominating Florida), totaling 19 goals through the first 4 games of the series and Hedman, Kucherov, Stamkos and Point have combined for 6 more points today.

It's time to stop excusing Toronto's highly paid forwards for not producing at an elite level in the playoffs. They're not producing anywhere near Tampa Bay's stars pace right now (dating back to what both teams did last year in the playoffs). That has to change. There are no excuses for the disparity in production between the two groups.

Watch the games and you will at least see they are inflated. Accident is not the right word but they better not be happy with their play right now.
 
Going back to the 2019 Boston series, they have scored a grand total of 6 goals while at 5 on5 during their last 8 post season games. It's a big problem.
 
Watch the games and you will at least see they are inflated. Accident is not the right word but they better not be happy with their play right now.

They're producing at a high level though and that's what matters the most. You have to score to win games. You're not going win many modern playoff games scoring 1-2 goals.

As soon as Toronto gets trapped, they look impotent. They have to remedy that.
 
This is 5-on-5. In our game, we played 1/3 of the game either on the PP or on the PK. We also did not play in OT, while a lot of other teams did. In terms of rates, it is 7th worst in SCF and 12th worst in terms of HDCF. There were some really good teams on that list, and surprisingly teams won more than they lost despite that.

And before people say this is a consistent trend. In the past 3 years, this is only the 4th game out of 13 games where we were below 50% in HDCF% and 5th game below 50% SCF% at 5-on-5. Many of our performances the past three years would have put us around average, if not above it, compared to games played this year in terms of HDCF/60 and SCF/60... And we played two tight checking teams that were known for their defensive play. A lot of games this year have been really sloppy so chances have been higher so the fact we are even average given those two factors is fairly impressive.

We were also above 50% for xGF% and were above average in that regard based on the games played this year. We have only been below 50% 4 times. 7th time we've had a SH% below 5% at 5-on-5 though, so that is the thing that has really hindered us. Part of that is finish and part of that is also goaltending. We are not having much trouble generating chances at 5-on-5 in general though, and it wasn't like Montreal was doing much better in that regard either.

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Now let's take a look at PP (out of 44 total entries; 22 games, 2 teams each)

8th best performance in terms of HDCF/60 so far. 6th best in SCF/60. 8th in xGF/60. Top 3 in all of those categories in the 13 games we've played in the past 3 years too. Maybe we didn't make Price work as hard at 5-on-5 as we would have liked, but we had to make him work really hard on the PK. Montreal was around dead middle in both categories on the PP. Main thing was we made a stupid error that cost us and, as usual, we need to convert. Only 5 PP GF in 13 games the past 3 years (and now 1 GA).

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Conversion is not an issue for us in the regular season, but is in the playoffs, even though we still get our fair share of chances and generally do better than the other team in that regard. Goalies make big saves against us and we hit the post or miss the net. We've also had games where our goalie could not keep us in the game by making basic saves. I won't blame Campbell too much on that game winner because ultimately it was fairly flukey (although he probably should not have gone for the poke check) and Sandin/Thornton deserve a lot more blame for making it happen in the first place, but far too often we lose these close games because of something like that. Ultimately that comes down to the players to figure out, because there is not much Dubas, Keefe, or any other GM/coach is going to do to fix whatever "unclutch" ability some of our guys have.

In the end it is one game and I think most people anticipated there would be at least one game where the Habs would have a lot of things go their way and steal it. I think many hoped it wouldn't be the first game, but it is nothing the Leafs should be getting in their heads about because that will only make them do worse. There were a lot of positives to take from that game and from a pure luck standpoint I don't think it could have been much worse for us. Habs missed some golden opportunities too but they had the Byron goal work out and a few big Price saves that were the difference. Of course that is on top of losing Tavares (core player/center/captain) and having to shuffle the lines for 5/6's of the game.
This was all pretty much a long-winded way of saying "The leafs stars have pathetic finish in the playoffs for some reason". The euphemism of which is "ran into a hot goalie".
 
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but but but.. i was told by the smartest hockey minds on this forum that Andersen has sucked for two years... how can both statements be true?
Advanced stats bro. They just got unlucky. 4 years in a row. The problem isn’t advanced stats. It’s clowns who choose to pick and choose them to view them conveniently to align with their pre conceived conclusions.

I don’t have an issue with passion but when it borders on delusion and hating and dismissing anyone who has several reasons for skepticism it’s worthy of getting called out. When you act like this team will win the cup after 4 years of nothing spectacular and dismiss anyone who wants to wait until they can win a first round series before hopping on the hype train and then wanting to rebuild after a loss it’s a problem.
 
They're producing at a high level though and that's what matters the most. You have to score to win games. You're not going win many modern playoff games scoring 1-2 goals.

As soon as Toronto gets trapped, they look impotent. They have to remedy that.

It is all well and good until they start playing teams that have average goaltending and it dries up fast. Then what? They start losing and you ask questions when it is too late.

This was all pretty much a long-winded way of saying "The leafs stars have pathetic finish in the playoffs for some reason". The euphemism of which is "ran into a hot goalie".

Possibly, but if you actually care enough to read it you may actually learn something. Better than just complaining and having zero tangible solutions to the problem. That is just a waste of time and breath.
 
The players should all watch Josh Anderson's performance from last night. Played a full 180-foot game, hustled full throttle on a backcheck to break up a 2-on-1. He knew his role is more than generating offense, it's about doing everything he can on every play to help his team win.

That's how teams win the playoffs: It's great to finish checks, not be afraid of taking abuse in the corners or in front of the net, it's also about raising your game everywhere. You backcheck on every play, every time, you block shots, always be engaged in the play, every shift.
I’m all for working hard but guy is just good at hockey tbh. Not everyone can play that way by just working hard. He’s not just a goon working really hard he’s a hockey player first. He’s just big but not even that good of a fighter. A worthy player to have in the post season.
 
It's only one game, so we obviously need to see how things play out.

But there are no moral victories here. I don't care if we outshoot / outchance them but their goalie plays really well. Figure it out. You don't think Toews/Kane ran into some hot goalies on their 3 Cup runs? Every team that wins the Cup has to go through multiple high quality goalies, multiple strong defensive/physical teams, etc.

Last year we were shut out by... Korpisalo. The guy is a worse goalie than Reimer/Bernier if you're comparing careers, both of whom were run out of town for not being good enough.

It's a 7 game series. Vegas, Pittsburgh, and Boston all started their series down 1-0. Go out there and show you want to win as much as those guys.
 
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No more talking. ACTION is needed. Tired of the leafs talking how they are going to have to be better and blah blah blah. 11 million needs to be earned. If you didn’t earn it then it should be returned. The season doesn’t matter. Its the playoffs that matters. If this team doesn’t win, I have a feeling one or two of our star players will be traded.
 
"Endlessly read"?

It's a few psychotic homers who figure Freddy is the only thing separating the Leafs from a cup. No need to be dramatic.
The problem is those two homers composed of maybe 25% of this forums posts (although they won’t turn up right now) and suck the energy out of these boards with their delusional rationalization instead of just giving credit where its due and not making excuses
 
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This was all pretty much a long-winded way of saying "The leafs stars have pathetic finish in the playoffs for some reason". The euphemism of which is "ran into a hot goalie".

The best hockey player on earth has been held pointless two games in a row this post season. The notion of a hot goalie isn't something that's randomly brought up during the playoffs, we seem many examples of it throughout the year.

That doesn't excuse the Leafs core of all criticisms - they are expected (and paid) not produce and need to find a way to overcome these challenges - but players can do the right things during a game and still not be able to pull out a win. That's just part of sports
 
It is all well and good until they start playing teams that have average goaltending and it dries up fast. Then what? They start losing and you ask questions when it is too late.



Possibly, but if you actually care enough to read it you may actually learn something. Better than just complaining and having zero tangible solutions to the problem. That is just a waste of time and breath.

Yes, because their scoring dried up on their way to the Cup last year...
 
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