Proposal: Zacha + McLeod for W. Nylander + Marincin

[MacerV]

That is big, fast, and skilled down the middle (aside from goat, who's just big). Of course you have the option of moving Kadri / Bozak to C. Or you could trade one or both of them to pick up a top 4 D.

He's not just big, sure he's physicially dominant, but the guy got accepted to Harvard, the dudes smart, and he's working hard to improve the weaknesses to his game. Guy has improved immensely in his skating ability. He scored 18 points in 56 games as a 20 year old, which isn't bad, especially considered he's primarily a defensive guy and 20 YEARS OLD. He may never score 80points, but I'm confident he'll become an NHL regular and put up upwards of 30 points on the 3rd/4th line while playing half the penalty kill.

 

[Edmonton East]

Considering Nylander is far and away the best player in the deal, who had something like 11pts in his last 12 NHL games as a 19 year old C, on a team icing an AHL roster. Yeah, it would be a steal.

You also get a big, young D with upside who's an everyday NHL'er.

In return Toronto gets Zacha, who hasn't really improved since the draft - but did manage to look okay against a struggling Garrett Sparks and a Toronto team looking for a loss. We also get a C who has speed but no finish, and had been slipping down to the late teens in prospect rankings.

Leafs pass easily. They give up the best prospect and the only proven NHL'er.

How do I know I can disregard your post? See the bolded and emphasized.

I've never been a big Zacha fan, but saying he looked "okay" in his first NHL game is a hilarious undersell. He looked phenomenal in that game for a 19 year old making his NHL debut.

 

[Sundinisagod]

It's kind of funny, ever since Toronto drafted Matthews I see a lot of offers where Leafs fans are willing to trade Nylander... but a few months before Matthews was drafted, Nylander was touted as the second coming of god.

By the way, I think Nylander is going to be really good and Leafs shouldn't trade him

Well, now that we have 2 guys who can be 1st line centres, many Leaf fans are exploring the option of shoring up the D. Personally, I love Nylander's skill set and flair, and have no desire to trade him. He is also versatile in being able to play the sniper role on either wing equally well. Judging (mostly) by his play the last dozen or so games at the NHL level, I think he will be in the running for the Calder trophy, and will be back to being touted as the second coming...and rightfully so

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He's not just big, sure he's physicially dominant, but the guy got accepted to Harvard, the dudes smart, and he's working hard to improve the weaknesses to his game. Guy has improved immensely in his skating ability. He scored 18 points in 56 games as a 20 year old, which isn't bad, especially considered he's primarily a defensive guy and 20 YEARS OLD. He may never score 80points, but I'm confident he'll become an NHL regular and put up upwards of 30 points on the 3rd/4th line while playing half the penalty kill.

I meant of the three attributes (size, speed, and skill) Gauthier has only size (he sure as heck doesn't have speed or skill of any noteworthiness)

 

[Rebels57]

Easy no from New Jersey.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

Patrick kane for Martin Hanzal?

 

[cookie]

Unlike many of the threads here, the op did think things through but the Leafs would probably not be taking the trade. Zacha and McLeod have the right combo of size and skill to complement Marner and hopefully Timashov but why didn't the Devils simply draft Keller instead of McLeod...its a bit early for buyer's remorse to set in.

There's also the notion that Nylander won't be getting the opportunity, which is pretty questionable. He got the minutes in the Marlies and he'll be benefitting from the sheltering Kadri and Matthews will be providing him. Might not be 1st line minutes, but the man will still get good pp minutes and more or less the kind of minutes to build upon. I also think Toronto will be adding even if I'm not a big fan of McLeod.

 

[tony d]

I like Zacha but I doubt Toronto will be trading Nylander for him.

 

[Atomos2]

I didn't mention the word 'chemistry' once in my original post. You're misinterpreting.

It's the culture I'm talking about. Chemistry in juniors is extremely fickle, I agree with you.

Ok. My mistake.

 

[In It 2 Winnik]

Unlike many of the threads here, the op did think things through but the Leafs would probably not be taking the trade. Zacha and McLeod have the right combo of size and skill to complement Marner and hopefully Timashov but why didn't the Devils simply draft Keller instead of McLeod...its a bit early for buyer's remorse to set in.

There's also the notion that Nylander won't be getting the opportunity, which is pretty questionable. He got the minutes in the Marlies and he'll be benefitting from the sheltering Kadri and Matthews will be providing him. Might not be 1st line minutes, but the man will still get good pp minutes and more or less the kind of minutes to build upon. I also think Toronto will be adding even if I'm not a big fan of McLeod.

You know Keller went six picks before New Jersey to Arizona at #7. I think if he was there he'd 100% be a Devil right now.

 

[RememberTheName]

Unlike many of the threads here, the op did think things through but the Leafs would probably not be taking the trade. Zacha and McLeod have the right combo of size and skill to complement Marner and hopefully Timashov but why didn't the Devils simply draft Keller instead of McLeod...its a bit early for buyer's remorse to set in.

There's also the notion that Nylander won't be getting the opportunity, which is pretty questionable. He got the minutes in the Marlies and he'll be benefitting from the sheltering Kadri and Matthews will be providing him. Might not be 1st line minutes, but the man will still get good pp minutes and more or less the kind of minutes to build upon. I also think Toronto will be adding even if I'm not a big fan of McLeod.

I am pretty sure that if the Devils had the chance to draft Keller, they would have

 

[NJDevils17]

I'll pass. The difference between Nylander and Zacha isn't worth McLeod/Marincin for me. I think Nylander and Zacha are a lot closer than people give it credit for.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Considering Nylander is far and away the best player in the deal, who had something like 11pts in his last 12 NHL games as a 19 year old C, on a team icing an AHL roster. Yeah, it would be a steal.

You also get a big, young D with upside who's an everyday NHL'er.

In return Toronto gets Zacha, who hasn't really improved since the draft - but did manage to look okay against a struggling Garrett Sparks and a Toronto team looking for a loss. We also get a C who has speed but no finish, and had been slipping down to the late teens in prospect rankings.

Leafs pass easily. They give up the best prospect and the only proven NHL'er.

this is the most "prop up my guys, bring own the other team's guys" post I've seen in awhile.

if you don't think Zacha hasn't improved since the draft, you aren't paying attention.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Unlike many of the threads here, the op did think things through but the Leafs would probably not be taking the trade. Zacha and McLeod have the right combo of size and skill to complement Marner and hopefully Timashov but why didn't the Devils simply draft Keller instead of McLeod...its a bit early for buyer's remorse to set in.

There's also the notion that Nylander won't be getting the opportunity, which is pretty questionable. He got the minutes in the Marlies and he'll be benefitting from the sheltering Kadri and Matthews will be providing him. Might not be 1st line minutes, but the man will still get good pp minutes and more or less the kind of minutes to build upon. I also think Toronto will be adding even if I'm not a big fan of McLeod.

well, for one, Keller was picked 7th....

 

[Trapper]

I'll pass. The difference between Nylander and Zacha isn't worth McLeod/Marincin for me. I think Nylander and Zacha are a lot closer than people give it credit for.

I think the Devils are building something good. (The Devils are my dark horse to sneak into the playoffs this year at the expense of someone else).
I also think the Leafs are building something good. What we need is to solidify our D. Get Rielly a solid partner.
Now these players were drafted by their clubs for a reason. They have a vision and they have a fit.
Both these teams are still missing pieces but a swap of these players isn't it.

At this time this is really pointless. Hold on and keep building.

 

[Skobel24]

Leafs need dmen, can't see them doing this.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I like McLeod. But I think I keep Nylander , kids a wild card. Would hate to see him hit his peak on another team. Zacha and McLeod are fine prospects, I am sure devs are happy to stand pat too.

 

[Halla]

leafs still lose the best player in the deal and for that id say no.
i can see how devils fans would also say no because mcleod has a lot more value than marincin

 

[Halla]

How do I know I can disregard your post? See the bolded and emphasized.

I've never been a big Zacha fan, but saying he looked "okay" in his first NHL game is a hilarious undersell. He looked phenomenal in that game for a 19 year old making his NHL debut.

against a struggling leafs team playing for 30th, and a goalie that couldnt stop a beachball.

it was 1 game....

 

[Quarter]

I am pretty sure that if the Devils had the chance to draft Keller, they would have

I can't speak for him, but he could have meant by trading up to 7th or so to ensure drafting him... although that would depend on what NJ had planned for the draft, whether anyone was selling, and whether the price was right. Not exactly "simply done" I guess

 

[Josepho]

I think this is an easy win for New Jersey, but then again I have never really liked McLeod at all.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd do it, even add a bit if necessary

 

[4uston M4tthews]

You might have got Nylander for Larsson. But not this. There is value there but you did nothing to consider actual TML need so the proposal gets a b- from this poster.

 

[Drew311]

There's a very good chance Nylander will be the best player in the deal. This has a very high potential to bite the Leafs in the ass. I like Zacha and McLeod to an extent, but there's just not enough upside here for the Leafs to pull the trigger. Plus the Leafs would likely only trade Nylander for a young stud defenseman.

 

[Gaunce4gm]

As a Canucks fan who really doesn't like either team:


Nylander>>Zacha
Marincin>McLeod


Seems pretty terrible for the leafs