Rumor: Zach Hyman is signing in Edmonton - Done deal per James Mirtle

[BertCorbeau]

So apparently Friedman was dead wrong no trade today

 

[kb]

Hopefully this is the first time Dubas says no to a demand for a ridiculous contract.

First time, right?

Tyson Barrie, JVR, Bozak, etc. all say hi.

 

[Budz22]

This has Lucic written all over it.

 

[Mess]

Maple Leafs at crossroads as Zach Hyman nears exit - Sportsnet.ca

The Leafs are believed to have extended the pending unrestricted free agent a max term eight-year offer carrying an annual value a little over $4 million. But that’s still almost a million less per season than Hyman is being offered by the Edmonton Oilers, assuming a sign-and-trade with Toronto can be worked out to facilitate an eight-year deal.

Should that fall through, a seven-year contract in Edmonton carrying Hyman’s signature is expected to land in the neighbourhood of $5.5 million annually.

That’s why Dubas recently granted Hyman’s agent, Todd Reynolds, the freedom to speak to other teams before free agency officially opens on July 28. It could potentially land the Leafs an asset should a sign-and-trade scenario emerge, but it also allows both sides to start properly planning for an amicable end to their union.

As of early Thursday afternoon, Dubas said that he hadn’t heard from Reynolds about needing to negotiate anything with the Oilers. Hyman travelled to Edmonton on Wednesday to tour the team’s facilities -- even requesting to work out in the gym, a testament to his don’t-miss-a-day approach -- and all signs pointed to the Oilers emerging as the leading candidate for his services.

Toronto is willing to facilitate a sign-and-trade before the deadline to do so expires at 11:59 p.m. ET on Tuesday.

“We’re open to anything that can help to make our team better,” said Dubas. “If there’s fair value to be had there then we’ll certainly explore it.”

Ideally, he’d be calling a press conference instead to announce a new contract for the 29-year-old winger. That would almost certainly be the outcome if the NHL wasn’t governed by a hard cap system that requires tough decisions by teams carrying an outsized amount of established talent.

So the Leafs have a 8 year offer on the table at a little over $4 mil presently. Interesting !!!

Wonder if Hyman's agent is using Edmonton as leverage to get Leafs to up their offer closer to what is being reported coming out of Edmonton?

 

[Marshy]

Whatever number Dubas set as the max for Hyman for the love of God just stick to it. Let agents know that bluffing isn't going to work anymore.

So help me if Dubas caves here and goes to 4.75 X 8 or whatever then just give agents a blank contract from now on and let them fill in their own amount.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Smittey]

It's funny that players want to get as much money out of Toronto as possible .
Boston always seem to get sweet deals on there players.

They love playing there.

Toronto nope.

Probably something to do with taxes. It's pretty unfair a player can sign for 8 or 9 million in Tampa and end up making more money than if he signed 11 million in Toronto. Really favours the markets like Tampa with no tax and I'm surprised the league hasn't come up with a fair solution considering the cap is supposed to create parity.

 

[The CyNick]

He still couldn't get it done in the playoffs. They got swept and he didn't play like worlds best player should in the playoffs. We have demanded results. McDavid got even worse if you compare him to our stars.

I can say that Marner is also trying, but that isn't good enough for him, why is it good enough for McDavid?

McDavid wasn't great for his standards, but he was PPG. Matthews was 0.7 PPG. That's a significant difference.

 

[Jmo89]

It's funny that players want to get as much money out of Toronto as possible .
Boston always seem to get sweet deals on there players.

They love playing there.

Toronto nope.

It's because they actually built a winning culture. They weren't afraid to ship out young stars that didn't fit like Thornton, Kessel, and Seguin. Boston had a similar drought to Toronto's and then they started putting team before player.

Yet here's Toronto holding onto 10.6M Marner who has scored one playoff goal in 3 years. Individual regular season accolades don't always equal post season success.

 

[The CyNick]

It's funny that players want to get as much money out of Toronto as possible .
Boston always seem to get sweet deals on there players.

They love playing there.

Toronto nope.

Toronto is not a desirable locations for stars.

Washed up vets love it here though

 

[soliak]

Oh let’s add a piece to the area we least need it. McDavid has made plugs like Chiasson look good, does he really need a 5m winger to keep him happy? What about secondary scoring? The McDavid line is going to be a beast offensively no matter what. Hyman will probably score 30 and everyone will be pumped for the trade…at least for a couple more years, but then what about D? A goalie? Maybe some decent other forwards? This was the opportunity to use that cap space!

Mind boggling moves.

 

[Mess]

Whatever number Dubas set as the max for Hyman for the love of God just stick to it. Let agents know that bluffing isn't going to work anymore.

So help me if Dubas caves here and goes to 4.75 X 8 or whatever then just give agents a blank contract from now on and let them fill in their own amount.

If Leafs are offering a little over $4 mil per X 8 years and Edmonton is rumoured at $5-$5.5 mil X 8 years.

If you split the difference a pretty common negotiating tactic to meet in the middle ground of $1.5 mil difference on the high-end that makes it $750k /year difference or $4.75 mil X 8 years to stay in Toronto for Hyman..

You might just be nearly spot on what the Hyman camp might to trying to draw out of Leafs and then can also claim a hometown discount was given, and Zach took less to stay showing his loyalty to the team.

For most fans it seems to the term is the greatest concern (as no more than 5 years), but it seems 8 years is not a problem for Leafs nor Edmonton as both teams have extended him offers on full term, its just down to the dollar amount that needs finalizing now.

Which side is going to flinch now?

 

[budzz]

Well considering goodrow just got 6 years at 3.64, that should price hyman down a bit in my mind. Hym's has scored more goals, goodrow is a bit bigger, both "versatile forwards". I'd say dubas is right on, not a penny above 4, but 8 years scares me alot for a guy with a questionable knee.

 

[Burnie97]

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Thanks for the update.

 

[Vukotal Recall]

So bizarre to me that so many of you think it's a bad deal because of its length and his bad(-ish) knees and playing style. That perversely makes this quite a good deal. Hyman gets his well-deserved upfront payday with a lower AAV for Edmonton, he'll be great for around 3 years and then be forced to retire because of injuries, and only the insurance company suffers.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Let's be honest oilers have to overpay - our GM has all kinds of leverage but fails to use it

 

[Superstar]

If Leafs are offering a little over $4 mil per X 8 years and Edmonton is rumoured at $5-$5.5 mil X 8 years.

If you split the difference a pretty common negotiating tactic to meet in the middle ground of $1.5 mil difference on the high-end that makes it $750k /year difference or $4.75 mil X 8 years to stay in Toronto for Hyman..

You might just be nearly spot on what the Hyman camp might to trying to draw out of Leafs and then can also claim a hometown discount was given, and Zach took less to stay showing his loyalty to the team.

For most fans it seems to the term is the greatest concern (as no more than 5 years), but it seems 8 years is not a problem for Leafs nor Edmonton as both teams have extended him offers on full term, its just down to the dollar amount that needs finalizing now.

Which side is going to flinch now?

You wonder how much endorsement money Hyman loses playing for the Oilers instead of the Leafs.

 

[trellaine201]

It would be hilarious after all this and he ends up staying.

 

[Marshy]

July 28 comes and the Leafs money earmarked for Hyman gets spent elsewhere.

Tick tock Reynolds.

 

[kb]

So bizarre to me that so many of you think it's a bad deal because of its length and his bad(-ish) knees and playing style. That perversely makes this quite a good deal. Hyman gets his well-deserved upfront payday with a lower AAV for Edmonton, he'll be great for around 3 years and then be forced to retire because of injuries, and only the insurance company suffers.

Why would he retire and walk away from 5 years of salary? That doesn't make sense.

Why isn't Shea Weber retiring then?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Let's be honest oilers have to overpay - our GM has all kinds of leverage but fails to use it

What leverage?

The decision is Hyman’s, if he wants the extra year, and Edmonton’s if they want to give up the assets. Or they can wait until next week and take him without giving anything up.

 

[Superstar]

It would be hilarious after all this and he ends up staying.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hyman is ripping his hair out with this decision...is several hundred thousand a year really worth leaving the Leafs if you're already making well over $4 million per year? He also needs to consider life after hockey and what it would mean...not like the Oilers are Cup contenders.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[budzz]

Wasn't it Dreger that was saying Hyman would need something north of 6 million not long ago? Guy does everything he can to drive up prices on leaf players. he was screaming that marner needed Matthews money "no question" for months and months... single handedly drove his price up.