Value of: Yzerplan put 18.1 million to Holl, Gostisbehere, Reimer, Compher, Sprong and Kostin

[TCNorthstars]

As a Flames fan located in Wing territory, I kind of thought Yzerman might make a big splash and try to land Lindholm and Hanifin. Major improve to the top of the line up and idealistically a great prospect and some picks to Calgary!

It takes 2 to tango. Too many people, not saying you, think that GM’s can magically make another GM give them whatever they want.

 

[Guffman]

After 4 seasons the rebuild is a fail? I think you are unpatient. From SY 1st rounders are only two playing in the NHL the rest is developing. Some people say a proper rebuild takes 10 years so we have to wait a bit longer, Do you have an example where a rebuild was much faster, successful and sustainable, not only one or two play off apperiances and not starting a rebuild again?

Detroit has missed the playoffs for 7 straight seasons. I suppose you could say the rebuild started 4 years ago but not many players have graduated to the NHL club since last you made the playoffs.

A pity that you didn’t collect more big pieces while tanking. This UFA infusion looks like a signal that Detroit wants to start competing and build a winning culture (but no more premier 1st rounders coming).

I guess my question to you is do you have enough prospect talent in the pipeline to make this a very successful rebuild?

 

[dekelikekocur]

Detroit has missed the playoffs for 7 straight seasons. I suppose you could say the rebuild started 4 years ago but not many players have graduated to the NHL club since last you made the playoffs.

A pity that you didn’t collect more big pieces while tanking. This UFA infusion looks like a signal that Detroit wants to start competing and build a winning culture (but no more premier 1st rounders coming).

I guess my question to you is do you have enough prospect talent in the pipeline to make this a very successful rebuild?

Signing stop gaps is a sign they're done? Ya all over react in such a predictably dumb way. As others have pointed out, next year we'll have roughly 40m available cap, 5 of the ufa's signed between last year and this year will be back off the books (either TDL trades or just expiring contracts). There isn't a way to collect more "big pieces" when the cupboard was bare to begin with and you had nothing for trade assets and lottery luck has treated you like a red headed step child.

 

[Guffman]

It's been 4 years. Did people actually expect Yzerman to come in and perform a miracle to make us contenders again?

Moritz Seider is on track to be a top 10 defenseman in the league sooner rather than later. We have a deeper center group both rostered and prospects than we've had since the Datsyuk/Zetterberg era.

But it's a failed rebuild I guess. May as well ship Mo, Raymond, Edvinsson, Cossa, Kasper, Danielson and ASP out.

I swear hfboards is more full of mouthbreathers than reddit sometimes.

Tell me more about your deep center group. It’s below average roster group.

At what point are you projecting this to be a successful rebuild?

 

[kilowatt]

Yzerman would draft Nikita Kucherov, Andrei Vasilevskiy, Brayden Point, Ondrej Palat, Anthony Cirelli, and Callan Foote, signed undrafted players Tyler Johnson and Yanni Gourde, and acquire Ryan McDonagh, Mikhail Sergachev, Erik Cernak, Patrick Maroon, Kevin Shattenkirk, Curtis McElhinney and Jan Rutta via trades and contract offers as future cornerstone rosters. Soon, the team would reach the Stanley Cup Finals in 2015, where they were defeated by the Chicago Blackhawks.[73] On June 24, 2015, Yzerman won the NHL General Manager of the Year Award; he was the first Lightning general manager to receive the honor. The team built by Yzerman set franchise records with 50 wins and 108 points during the regular season, and also led the league with 262 goals and 32 home wins.

Just a little cut and paste…

Ok but besides that??? Anyone could have done that

 

[Guffman]

Signing stop gaps is a sign they're done? Ya all over react in such a predictably dumb way. As others have pointed out, next year we'll have roughly 40m available cap, 5 of the ufa's signed between last year and this year will be back off the books (either TDL trades or just expiring contracts). There isn't a way to collect more "big pieces" when the cupboard was bare to begin with and you had nothing for trade assets and lottery luck has treated you like a red headed step child.

Signing stop gaps will push Detroit to the mushy middle. It doesn’t mean they are done. They just can‘t catch high first round draft picks.

 

[KapG]

Still can’t believe he gave that contract to holl lol

 

[Akrapovince]

Let’s hear a trade proposal then…

Yzerman is going to flip all these free agents after pumping up their stats with ice-time and using the assets returned to help fill out his core or package them for players they need.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Signing stop gaps will push Detroit to the mushy middle. It doesn’t mean they are done. They just can‘t catch high first round draft picks.

So not much different then? Instead of 9th maybe it's 12th? Oh no.

 

[saska sault]

So.. we got 10 million in cap space still... will have approx 20 next off season if needed. Didn't trade away picks (yet), improved prospect pool, and team.. and people think its a bad off season? Gotcha. This team is improved again in all aspects this off season but people like to nitpick. Holl overpaid? Who cares, not my money and wont have any harm on the salary cap in 2 to 3 years when it matters.

 

[1878rgw]

I guess my question to you is do you have enough prospect talent in the pipeline to make this a very successful rebuild?

In my opinion not yet, especially offensive players.
You have to realize when he took over the farm was empty and the players in the big club were AA, Mantha, Nielsen, Daley, DeKeyser, Ehn, Abby and a lot more old players with Franzen and Zetterberg on top of LTIR.

So you owe me the answer to my question.

 

[Shaman464]

What many seem to forget that as of right now - the Red Wings are a better team than what they were last summer.

No they aren’t. Going into last year they had Vrana and Bert both looking healthy. Those two were penciled in to generate more offense than the whole lot of what was signed yesterday.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Yzerman is going to flip all these free agents after pumping up their stats with ice-time and using the assets returned to help fill out his core or package them for players they need.

He should have just taken on cap dumps to gain extra picks like Chicago or Philly did.

Or sign or take on bad contracts from other teams but limit the terms to 2 years. Then look to deal these players at the deadline.

Giving Holl a 3 year term and Compher a 5 year term are simply bad moves that carry unnecessary risk and they'll be stuck with them for multiple seasons now.

 

[Philadelphia Ducks]

Yzerman really needs to hire some of us hfboarders to help him right the ship.

 

[WaW]

Walman #2? Yikes

Oh man, thanks for telling us you've never watched Walman without telling us you've never watched Walman.

 

[Ezekial]

He was hired as GM of Tampa in 2010, remind me how long it took for his team that he inherited Stamkos and Hedman on to win the cup after that.

Talk about mental gymnastics - thinking they should be in some form way ahead of where they are now considering what he started with and how the lotteries have gone.

 

[Guffman]

In my opinion not yet, especially offensive players.
You have to realize when he took over the farm was empty and the players in the big club were AA, Mantha, Nielsen, Daley, DeKeyser, Ehn, Abby and a lot more old players with Franzen and Zetterberg on top of LTIR.

So you owe me the answer to my question.

Each team rebuild is unique. What prospects are you starting with, what do you have on your roster that you can liquidate for rebuilding assets, how easy is it to dismantle the current roster to then get better draft picks, how rich are the draft classes when you are within the rebuild. It makes comparisons to other team rebuilds not easy.

I think Detroit probably had a lot of factors going against it, which is why this is going to be a longer rebuild than some others.

Of course, some rebuilds fail and you have to restart it (e.g., Buffalo).

Hard to say at this point how well this all will pan out for Detroit but I would defer to level-headed Detroit fans to make that assessment.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Do people bother looking at a team’s roster before criticizing moves? Detroit traded away 3 forwards last deadline, let 2 forwards walk away in FA, and potentially lost another to a career ending injury. 6 forwards gone, 4 were signed. Compher joins Larkin and Copp as the only forwards signed beyond next year. The team still has a bunch of cap space with a ton more coming in next year. What sort of roster were people expecting Detroit to ice? A guy like Compher will be good insulation to play next to all the young players coming up. Sure, I think he’s overpaid a bit, but he’s only signed until he’s 32 and does not effect cap plans at all.

 

[ZDH]

Who are the 1C and 2C in 3 years?

We are more than 3 years from being a contender ser. Larkin will still be our #1 and if we get draft luck finally there would be our 2. If not Kasper/Danielson might slot in there. Our C situation was an issue a few years ago sure but the future is bright now.

Well, that's why I asked. So what are you thinking is the timeframe? 2 or 3 more years?

At least 3 but more likely 4 or maybe even 5. Which is fine, this is going to take a while.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

It's an extremely mediocre roster. Won't be finish bottom of the league but it won't make playoffs either.


Not really sure what Yzerman is trying to do honestly... Does he want to be mediocre and not good right now?

 

[Sabre the Win]

They will be fine. The young guys will learn to win a few games and then when they take another step most of these contracts wont matter. He did the same thing in TB.

He already inherited a good team and had a true #1C in Stamkos to build around.

 

[Double Dion]

It's been an interesting offseason in Detroit. I'm not sure what to make of it. Yzerman deserves the benefit of the doubt for sure. I like Compher as a role player, but he's being paid like a core player and he got term. Seems like some odd cap management given the amount of actual core players deemed to be on the trade block.

That said, next year with the cap going up contracts to UFAs will be crazy. This could be Yzerman getting his depth now while prices are lower. The Compher and Holl deals are tough to wrap your head around.

 

[Bleedred]

He's probably starting to become number 2 in the league behind Lou in the ''What's he trying to do? I don't understand what he's doing over there?'' category.

He's still a DISTANT number 2 behind Lou, but probably still number 2.

It's almost like he's now trying to make the leap from 80-85 point team to an 85-90 point team, but still needs more young, high end talent if they're ever going to be a contender/sustainable playoff caliber team further down the line.

Some of the contracts he's been giving out are to mediocre/bad/middling players at overpayment. The guys he is signing aren't even going to put you over the line and some of them are just terrible players.

 

[DFC]

He already inherited a good team and had a true #1C in Stamkos to build around.

It was more about Hedman than Stamkos. Yzerman was able to draft forwards and the team won a cup with Stamkos playing like 4 minutes of playoff hockey. The most important parts of those teams were Hedman (inherited), Kucherov, Point, and Vasilevskiy.

He still needs cornerstone pieces, no doubt, and the wings haven't been quite bad enough to get them, and it's getting tougher to find Brayden Points in the 3rd round. But I think what we're seeing here is, the top-3 regular season teams in the Atlantic are all looking like they're going to take steps backward. So the Wings are going to be competing with the Sabers and Sens to snag one of those spots.

So the Wings are gonna try to start really competing for a playoff spot, but I don't think anyone, including Yzerman, believes these are key components of a contender. This is more about surrounding your guys with better players. Like, late stage transitional pieces (Filppula, Salo, Carle, B. Boyle). I think we will see a competitive Wings team next year, but true contention still requires some key, very hard to find, pieces.

 

[SwedishFire]

Yzerman lacking creativity to make good trades. Instead he's resorted to the tell tale sign that a GM is worried about his job by filling roster spots with overpaid free agents.

Its to many teams now, and diluted talent pool in NHL.