Value of: Your Team's best offer for Noah Dobson

[Xirik]

Compete at what...?

Ask Lou

 

[impaaaaaact]

Pinto, Grieg &zub for Dobson

Done

 

[impaaaaaact]

From Montreal

Reinbacher or Mailloux
Owen Beck
Adam Engstrom
CAL/FLA 2025 1st
Habs 2026 2nd + Columbus 2026 2nd.

Josh Anderson for salary matching

Deal is only valid if he agrees to a long-term extension with Montreal first.

I mean… yeah kind of have to do this. It’s so much stuff

 

[bobbyb2009]

2025 1st
2026 2nd
Willander
Hoglander

I personally do this because I think the Canucks should go for it during Demko's prime and cheap contract but I also believe that Willander will be better than Dobson in 3 or less years

Isn't there this thing called a salary cap? How do you fit him in next year?

Canucks should be interested in him, and if the earlier comments are true, Barzal too.

Petey, Garland, Hogs and Vinnie D (RHD and Salary)for Brazal, Dobson, and Pageau (salary)... Flame away.

 

[HuGort]

24 year old RHD in the last year of his RFA deal. Scored 70 points last year on a team no one would confuse for an offensive juggernaut. Very bad in his own zone.

Islanders most likely looking for a hockey trade for a similarly aged and valued player, or slightly below with value made up by prospects/picks.

From Montreal, one of our young D and young forwards. Maybe the Flames first? Although that sounds a bit much. Struble and Kapanen?

 

[oceanchild]

Elias Pettersson
Hoglander
Vincent Desharnais

For​

Brock Nelson
Noah Dobson

Pettersson is closer to being Huberdeau than Dobson is to being Ekman-Larsson

Hahahaha

 

[TGWL]

Panarin 11.6+ x 2 retained 5.6+ to 6 even
Trouba 8 x 2 retained 3.0 to 5 even

for

Dobson + raty

presumes both waive b'c LI is close enuf
bread not sniffing 11+ w/Rs
he will not leave now -- local NJ/LI possible exception -- but will waive before last min to avoid ugly look if he is not extended

Trouba has been good but we have elc Mancini + want cap space
next season, his wife finishing current commitments, Trouba nets nice return prob from DET

bread you get dibs on if you want to extend and how much, and

if you need a short term cap dump for balance, we may be able to add

This is so bad for both teams.
Islanders want futures - whether it's top picks, top prospects, or young roster players. They aren't looking for next year bounce back in the scoring department only. Panarin's next deal is completely irrelevant to his current deal. He's needed on NYR for offense and you can't get around that by grabbing another solid dman, one that most likely doesn't take Fox's powerplay time. He'd become another Miller in the lineup when you're not even using him to his fullest ability. You don't blow your open window because one of your highest valued players will stop being valuable when the contract runs out.

Also, and I'm sure it's been brought up within the rest of the responses - Raty isn't in their organization anymore.

 

[icelander25]

As an Isles fan, the only way we're trading Dobson is if we're absolutely blown away. The Isles don't have to settle for anything when they're trading a 70-point 24yr old RHD. The only possible way I see a trade is if its a RHD prospect who close/in the nhl + a stud young nhler (< 24yr). I'm not as interested in picks unless its literally a top 5-8 pick this year, future draft picks don't help us at all. This trade is probably with one of the bottom dwellers who are ready to part with their best prospects to start performing now. I know this limits a lot of teams but that's kind of the point since in reality it shouldn't and probably won't happen at all.

 

[junyab]

Habs shouldn't be in on this if he's as bad defensively as some are stating in here.

 

[bernmeister]

This is so bad for both teams.
Islanders want futures - whether it's top picks, top prospects, or young roster players. They aren't looking for next year bounce back in the scoring department only. Panarin's next deal is completely irrelevant to his current deal. He's needed on NYR for offense and you can't get around that by grabbing another solid dman, one that most likely doesn't take Fox's powerplay time. He'd become another Miller in the lineup when you're not even using him to his fullest ability. You don't blow your open window because one of your highest valued players will stop being valuable when the contract runs out.

Also, and I'm sure it's been brought up within the rest of the responses - Raty isn't in their organization anymore.

I acknowledge forgetting Raty was dealt
deal has to be reworked if possible

As far as Rs are concerned, the smart play is to gradually move all higher priced vets, probably Kreider the exception, for quality youth which extends window w/better depth + cap mgmt

As for Is, the question is what is the best return on the table.
I saw some crazy ass props I don't believe.
bread = scoring now which facilitates moving others
also = dibs on if he wants to extend here at a number LI likes

 

[WangMustGo]

Habs shouldn't be in on this if he's as bad defensively as some are stating in here.

He has been very hot and cold in his young career. He puts together 50-60 games where he looks like a top 10 defenseman, but then he will go off the rails for a bit and make a lot of bone headed plays. Thus far he hasn’t been good this season, but hopefully he shakes it off soon.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Man, that Kreider shortie really broke the fanbase. You guys looked like the better team most of the game.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Man, that Kreider shortie really broke the fanbase. You guys looked like the better team most of the game.

Didn’t watch that one game but none of his deficiencies have anything to do with the PP. Hes a top ten PPQB at the very worst

 

[TGWL]

I acknowledge forgetting Raty was dealt
deal has to be reworked if possible

As far as Rs are concerned, the smart play is to gradually move all higher priced vets, probably Kreider the exception, for quality youth which extends window w/better depth + cap mgmt

As for Is, the question is what is the best return on the table.
I saw some crazy ass props I don't believe.
bread = scoring now which facilitates moving others
also = dibs on if he wants to extend here at a number LI likes

Moving Panarin for Dobson doesn't extend the window, it closes the current window. We don't have anything to make up for the loss of Panarin. Even if you want to say he goes invisible in the playoffs, we still need to get there. We can look at 2 years down the road and say it would be great to have a Dobson now, but we absolutely need Panarin unless they find a replacement.

 

[seabass45]

Even with OP saying Dobson is terrible defensively, people are still offering a boatload for a guy who will use his 70 point season to get a way too above his on ice value contract.

Lou had a window to rip someone off.

FWIW he wasn’t getting this criticism at this time last year, when the team was getting drilled with injuries on D and he was asked to do a ton. He tailed off a bit at the end and people attributed it to running out of gas but I wonder if a lot of this is just struggling to find his game under a new system with Roy.

So… I’m not convinced that the window is closed yet if they decide to move him in a retool/rebuild.

 

[bernmeister]

Moving Panarin for Dobson doesn't extend the window, it closes the current window. We don't have anything to make up for the loss of Panarin. Even if you want to say he goes invisible in the playoffs, we still need to get there. We can look at 2 years down the road and say it would be great to have a Dobson now, but we absolutely need Panarin unless they find a replacement.

respectfully disagree
what you suggest is shortsighted

bread is gone in 2 yrs
don't swap coke for pepsi
get youth w/upside as opposed to nothing on Panarin self rental
also, this moves Trouba now

 

[impaaaaaact]

Elias Pettersson
Hoglander
Vincent Desharnais

For​

Brock Nelson
Noah Dobson

Done

 

[TGWL]

respectfully disagree
what you suggest is shortsighted

bread is gone in 2 yrs
don't swap coke for pepsi
get youth w/upside as opposed to nothing on Panarin self rental
also, this moves Trouba now

Trouba isn't moving right now so we can't end that. Beyond that I don't think you realize how bad were going to be without Panarin.

 

[bernmeister]

Trouba isn't moving right now so we can't end that. Beyond that I don't think you realize how bad were going to be without Panarin.

In theory Trouba might move to close enuf LI

Obv like moving on from Shesty, moving on from bread = signif adjustment
but this is loss that has to be viewed as several steps backwards to eventually go more steps forwards = profit
self rental on bread is not long term best move if he agrees to not wait til last minute, and like Trouba, if he wants to stay in Gotham, LI might be close enuf

You are ignoring
- benefit of adding Dobson,
- structural cap improvement
- Gabe P likely to make team out of camp and do well

plus I gotta figure something else to replace Rary

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Okay.

Penguins trade Karlsson next year 50% retained. We bring in Noah Dobson.

Karlsson at 5 million for 2 years. Some team gives us a 1st + a conditional 3rd.

We offer 2025 1st Penguins top 2 protected.
Still could be a 3rd overall pick
Karlsson 1st we get.
Murashov - goalie prospect
Broz - center prospect. Honestly I see bottom 6 or low end 2C potential. A 2nd is his value

Upsides
0 cap back. Do whatever you want with the cap.

2 1sts
A goaltender who could be a cheap cost controlled back up in a few years.
Another forward prospect.

Downside
Not a single asset that helps you today. Just futures.

I did my best the Penguins just don't have exciting youth on our roster.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Okay.

Penguins trade Karlsson next year 50% retained. We bring in Noah Dobson.

Karlsson at 5 million for 2 years. Some team gives us a 1st + a conditional 3rd.

We offer 2025 1st Penguins top 2 protected.
Still could be a 3rd overall pick
Karlsson 1st we get.
Murashov - goalie prospect
Broz - center prospect. Honestly I see bottom 6 or low end 2C potential. A 2nd is his value

Upsides
0 cap back. Do whatever you want with the cap.

2 1sts
A goaltender who could be a cheap cost controlled back up in a few years.
Another forward prospect.

Downside
Not a single asset that helps you today. Just futures.

I did my best the Penguins just don't have exciting youth on our roster.

Easy decline from the Isles especially based on what other teams are offering.

 

[604]

I wonder if EP40 straight across for Dobson could possibly be a old school traditional hockey blockbuster. EP is signed and maybe Dobson would agree to deal beforehand.

EP40 + 1st for Dobson + Barzal

Think EP40 is the best player in the deal but Canucks need a top 4D and Dobson is affordable this year.

EP40 to Barzal is a big drop stats wise but Dobson for a 1st makes up for it.

 

[Coffee]

Canucks arent trading EP40 lol

@impaaaaaact

im not trying to be rude, im just trying to be realistic

 

[centipede2233]

EP40 + 1st for Dobson + Barzal

Think EP40 is the best player in the deal but Canucks need a top 4D and Dobson is affordable this year.

EP40 to Barzal is a big drop stats wise but Dobson for a 1st makes up for it.

Adding barzal means the Canucks won’t be cap compliant, I think it’s too messy to add a piece like barzal in here. If the Canucks season sours in the playoffs and EP underperforms, I can see an EP for Dobson trade next summer, small adds if need be.

 

[Isles72]

the ''win now'' Isles , hmm

how about something around Weeger and Kads (retained) with Dobber and Pageau headed west