Proposal: WPG-MIN-EDM 3 way

[SupremeTeam16]

This. We could certainly still use help on the blueline, but I'm anticipating that Chiarelli is looking to upgrade what we currently have (ie, player+ from us for a better player) for defensemen rather than trading forwards for them at this point. As excited as some Oiler fans are, this is still a developing defense core as well, and the bulk of its improvement will come from bringing in Larsson and the development of our young guys (Klefbom, Davidson, Nurse, Reinhart).

As well with the how the expansion draft rules are laid out I see Vegas ending up with a real solid defensive core but lacking high end offensive talent. If Yak and or Eberle puts up good numbers this year they would likely be very desirable for a team like Vegas.

 

[Maukkis]

As well with the how the expansion draft rules are laid out I see Vegas ending up with a real solid defensive core but lacking high end offensive talent. If Yak and or Eberle puts up good numbers this year they would likely be very desirable for a team like Vegas.

Very true. Having a decent forward exposed could be enough to save some defensemen who are better, purely because of the scarcity of available forward studs.

 

[Homesick]

As well with the how the expansion draft rules are laid out I see Vegas ending up with a real solid defensive core but lacking high end offensive talent. If Yak and or Eberle puts up good numbers this year they would likely be very desirable for a team like Vegas.

Why would the Oilers expose them if they have good seasons?
-Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
F) Lucic, Eberle, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, Pouliot, Maroon
D) Sekera, Larsson, Klefbom
G) Talbot
McDavid, Puljujarvi, and Nurse are ineligible for the expansion draft

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Why would the Oilers expose them if they have good seasons?
-Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
F) Lucic, Eberle, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, Pouliot, Maroon
D) Sekera, Larsson, Klefbom
G) Talbot
McDavid, Puljujarvi, and Nurse are ineligible for the expansion draft

I didn't mean we would expose them. What I'm saying is that they are likely to end up with a bunch of good defenders and possibly one that suits our needs, but they are also likely to end up with a shortage of top 6 players. Any of Eberle, RNH, Yak would probably be very desirable to them so the two teams will likely be good trading partners next off season.

Nobody is going to expose any 1st line offensive players and the pickings of even 2nd line players will most likely be slim, chances are they end up with a bunch of bottom 6 players maybe a couple that have top 6 upside or guys on the downside of their careers. My guess is they are going to be desperate for top end scoring and Edmonton should look to take advantage of that desperation.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

Eberle for Brodin? Easy pass.

The Oilers don't need Myers and he's really only average at best defensively.
Just trade Myers to Minnesota for Brodin. Solves the LH/RH problems for both clubs

Minnesota doesn't have a LH/RH problem. Spurgeon and Dumba are both righties. If Dumba can't handle top 4 duties, we've Brodin that has proven to be an effective defender on the right. Still have Folin and Prosser for rightie depth.
Likely going to lose a defender to Vegas. No reason to trade one away, unless it is for something significantly better than Eberle.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I didn't mean we would expose them. What I'm saying is that they are likely to end up with a bunch of good defenders and possibly one that suits our needs, but they are also likely to end up with a shortage of top 6 players. Any of Eberle, RNH, Yak would probably be very desirable to them so the two teams will likely be good trading partners next off season.

Nobody is going to expose any 1st line offensive players and the pickings of even 2nd line players will most likely be slim, chances are they end up with a bunch of bottom 6 players maybe a couple that have top 6 upside or guys on the downside of their careers. My guess is they are going to be desperate for top end scoring and Edmonton should look to take advantage of that desperation.

I wonder if they could protect all of their forwards, leaving one of Davidson or Reinhart exposed, and then flip the forward to Vegas to get the d-man back. Is there a loophole there, or did the NHL put in a rule preventing that sort of thing.

 

[Lennu32]

Cant see Wilds give up Brodin for Eberle. If they gonna trade a D-man they want a first-line center caliber player, so swap Eberle to RNH and they will listen more. (Not sure they want Drai instead, do they?)

Absolutely

 

[Wabit]

Cant see Wilds give up Brodin for Eberle. If they gonna trade a D-man they want a first-line center caliber player, so swap Eberle to RNH and they will listen more. (Not sure they want Drai instead, do they?)

Wild would probably give your choice of dman+ (not Suter) for Drai.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Spurgeon for RNH+
Brodin for RNH
Dumba+something small+cap evener for RNH

Those are the deals that could work from a Minnesota perspective around RNH even though he worries me with the concussion he had. The Edmonton fans who think RNH would get one of the dmen+one of Coyle/Nino are delusional. Just waiting on the first one for this thread...

 

[rynryn]

We didn't want to do Dumba + 2nd for RNH so...I don't think a trade there is going to happen.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

We didn't want to do Dumba + 2nd for RNH so...I don't think a trade there is going to happen.

As was pointed out before, hard to trade a 2nd when you don't have one and RNH's cap won't fit under the ceiling in that scenario.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Spurgeon for RNH+
Brodin for RNH
Dumba+something small+cap evener for RNH

Those are the deals that could work from a Minnesota perspective around RNH even though he worries me with the concussion he had. The Edmonton fans who think RNH would get one of the dmen+one of Coyle/Nino are delusional. Just waiting on the first one for this thread...

None of those would be worth it for Edmonton at this time.

Doubt Chia is interested in starting the season with a 19 and 20 year old at 1-2C who have a year experience between the two of them. Do you think that's a smart idea?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

None of those would be worth it for Edmonton at this time.

Doubt Chia is interested in starting the season with a 19 and 20 year old at 1-2C who have a year experience between the two of them. Do you think that's a smart idea?

If you have legit contending aspirations, no. Although, McDavid ain't your normal 19 year old.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

None of those would be worth it for Edmonton at this time.

Doubt Chia is interested in starting the season with a 19 and 20 year old at 1-2C who have a year experience between the two of them. Do you think that's a smart idea?

I know those deals favor Minnesota and the main reason is because I don't believe RNH is the guy we are looking. Ryan Johansen was a perfect example of what we need and we couldn't get the deal done (emphasis on a big 30 goal scorer).

Do I think it's a smart idea? How much worse can it get? I've always thought through scenarios of what I would do if I was the Edmonton GM. You've got a good goalie. There's solid, but not fantastic, LHD depth. RHD is a question mark that could have an answer in Adam Larsson. You added some grit in Lucic, but also lost some grit in Taylor Hall. The forward group is a giant question mark with what I consider soft players in Eberle, RNH, and Yak. If your preference is to keep RNH, then I think one or both of Eberle/Yak need to be traded for grittier players that are defensively responsible. Prefer Eberle? Then one or both of RNH/Yak need to go. Depth defenders need to hit, hit, hit too. There's too many soft players on Edmonton. Also, to end this block of text, you're two highest returning point getters are Draisaitl (51 in 72) and McDavid (48 in 45). Food for thought.

 

[McWeber]

I know those deals favor Minnesota and the main reason is because I don't believe RNH is the guy we are looking. Ryan Johansen was a perfect example of what we need and we couldn't get the deal done (emphasis on a big 30 goal scorer).

Do I think it's a smart idea? How much worse can it get? I've always thought through scenarios of what I would do if I was the Edmonton GM. You've got a good goalie. There's solid, but not fantastic, LHD depth. RHD is a question mark that could have an answer in Adam Larsson. You added some grit in Lucic, but also lost some grit in Taylor Hall. The forward group is a giant question mark with what I consider soft players in Eberle, RNH, and Yak. If your preference is to keep RNH, then I think one or both of Eberle/Yak need to be traded for grittier players that are defensively responsible. Prefer Eberle? Then one or both of RNH/Yak need to go. Depth defenders need to hit, hit, hit too. There's too many soft players on Edmonton. Also, to end this block of text, you're two highest returning point getters are Draisaitl (51 in 72) and McDavid (48 in 45). Food for thought.

As the it stands right now we have one of the biggest rosters ( height and weight) in the NHL. If RNH and Eberle are the two softest guys on the team I am more than happy with that. Losing Purcell and Jultz while bringing in Maroon and Nurse alone made a massive difference. It would be easy to go too far the other way and not have enough guys who actually make plays and score.

 

[spaghtti]

Spurgeon for RNH+
Brodin for RNH
Dumba+something small+cap evener for RNH

Those are the deals that could work from a Minnesota perspective around RNH even though he worries me with the concussion he had. The Edmonton fans who think RNH would get one of the dmen+one of Coyle/Nino are delusional. Just waiting on the first one for this thread...

Not interested in send RNH to the Wild, besides didn't they just sign their #1C in free agency

 

[DigitalBoldy]

As the it stands right now we have one of the biggest rosters ( height and weight) in the NHL. If RNH and Eberle are the two softest guys on the team I am more than happy with that. Losing Purcell and Jultz while bringing in Maroon and Nurse alone made a massive difference. It would be easy to go too far the other way and not have enough guys who actually make plays and score.

Lucic, McDavid, Draisaitl, the 1-2 of Eberle/RNH/Yak, etc. Lots of guys who should be able to make plays. Not to mention if Pulj is ready to go sooner than later

Not interested in send RNH to the Wild, besides didn't they just sign their #1C in free agency

I guess it's a good thing he's signed to 3rd liner money if he's not a 1st line center.

 

[Fourier]

I know those deals favor Minnesota and the main reason is because I don't believe RNH is the guy we are looking. Ryan Johansen was a perfect example of what we need and we couldn't get the deal done (emphasis on a big 30 goal scorer).

Do I think it's a smart idea? How much worse can it get? I've always thought through scenarios of what I would do if I was the Edmonton GM. You've got a good goalie. There's solid, but not fantastic, LHD depth. RHD is a question mark that could have an answer in Adam Larsson. You added some grit in Lucic, but also lost some grit in Taylor Hall. The forward group is a giant question mark with what I consider soft players in Eberle, RNH, and Yak. If your preference is to keep RNH, then I think one or both of Eberle/Yak need to be traded for grittier players that are defensively responsible. Prefer Eberle? Then one or both of RNH/Yak need to go. Depth defenders need to hit, hit, hit too. There's too many soft players on Edmonton. Also, to end this block of text, you're two highest returning point getters are Draisaitl (51 in 72) and McDavid (48 in 45). Food for thought.

Your description of the Oilers roster as soft no longer holds. Moreover, of the three players you mention only Eberle is actually a soft player. Nugent Hopkins is not a big guy but he has never been soft. He is certainly more physically aggressive than Draisaitl for example. Yak definitely is not soft. His issues are mostly between his ears in knowing what to do on the ice. Not that the "hits" stats is perfect by any stretch but RHN averages .9 hits/gm and Yakupov averages 1.0 hits per game over their careers.

And as far as Nugent-Hopkins concussion goes, he was skating with the team the next day after being diagnosed with a very mild concussion. They kept him out for precautionary reasons. If you would be worried about this then you are likely worried about pretty much every player in the game because almost all of them have likely had similar injuries at some point in their career with most never even knowing it.

The Oilers forwards could look like

Lucic McDavid Eberle
Pouliot RNH Puljujarvi
Maroon Draisaitl Yakupov
Hendricks Letestu Kassian
Khaira/Lander Pakarinen

They will actually be one of the biggest forward groups in the league, with guys like Benson, Slepyshev and Caggiula as the top forward prospects. They certainly don't need to move skill for grit.

 

[Paradise*]

None of those would be worth it for Edmonton at this time.

Doubt Chia is interested in starting the season with a 19 and 20 year old at 1-2C who have a year experience between the two of them. Do you think that's a smart idea?

Does it really matter? How bad could it really be considering how the last 10 years have gone.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Does it really matter? How bad could it really be considering how the last 10 years have gone.

Exactly. So let's continue to rely on young players with limited experience cause it's worked so well for us the last 10 years.

 

[Paradise*]

Exactly. So let's continue to rely on young players with limited experience cause it's worked so well for us the last 10 years.

Nothing to lose.

 

[major major]

I think the Jets are the only team that doesn't benefit in the OP deals.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Nothing to lose.

I see you use the same train of thought as Kevin Lowe and Craig McTavish.

 

[rynryn]

As was pointed out before, hard to trade a 2nd when you don't have one and RNH's cap won't fit under the ceiling in that scenario.

...or an asset equivalent to a second. A second is a relatively minor consideration. Who do we have right now that might be worth a second on the open market? Haula?

 

[Golden Gophers 4649]

From the Wild standpoint I'm disappointed the current GM is more than happy going into next season with basically the same underachieving group of smallish forwards. I'm breathless with anticipation to watch the Koivu, Zucker, Granlund line work their "magic". YUCK! At this point I would take Eberle over that $*#& storm!