Proposal: WPG-MIN-EDM 3 way

[gwh]

Hero chart for D needs to die a quick death.

Here we are comparing Allstar Klefbom to some random depth blueliner.
http://public.tableau.com/shared/Y5X5Q4RTP?:display_count=yes

 

[rockinghockey]

EDM already paid too much for one right shooting dman not moving Eberle for Myers
EDM is fine keeping Eberle and his 30-35 goals he will put up for the next few years

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Please close this thread...

 

[belair]

Noone is interested in the oilers tainted wingers, look at the Hall trade for reference. A trade for Eberle could be career suicide, there are not many other teams in the league other then the oil that Eberle could get away with playing no defense, not taking or giving a hit and basically not giving any effort. The market for a neuteured Kessel isn't very large.

What a bunch of verbal diarrhea.

 

[Sharppi]

Hero charts for defensemen are absolutely useless garbage.

Like your trade proposal.

 

[Homesick]

What a bunch of verbal diarrhea.

Just look up his other 21 posts. Its blatantly clear what that account was recently created for.

 

[zar]

The Jets posters do not have any interest in discussing any trades for Myers, Trouba or Byfuglien unless they are bending the other team over.

Truly the 2nd trade with the Oilers favors the Oilers too much and I would not be trading an asset like Eberle for Dman who just had major knee and hip surgery.

 

[Loopy0ne]

From a wild standpoint, going to need to switch that eberle for drai or no deal

 

[smackdaddy]

So which teams are doing the high five in this 3 way?

 

[zar]

From a wild standpoint, going to need to switch that eberle for drai or no deal

Then no deal.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Then no deal.

Good.

 

[Vashanesh]

Then no deal.

So, now that we have Wild fans, Jets fans, AND Oilers fans all agreeing that this is a bad deal, can we be done with it?

Wild will not trade a defensemen for anything other than an up and coming or clear upgrade center.

Oilers won't trade an up and coming center for any of the Wild's D.

Jets see no value in Brodin, especially just to switch handedness. So it makes no sense for them to bridge the gap between the Oilers and Wild by giving up Myers.

Tied up in a neat, tidy package of "nope".

 

[sportsdynasty]

Edmonton cannot afford to lose Eberle. He is their highest goal scorer and McDavid needs him on his wing. He is also a good play maker. His soft hands are good in shoutouts.

Eberle is underrated both by Oilers fans and other teams fans. He is more valuable than any of these players in this proposal.

Oilers have no replacement for Eberle on RW. Yakupov doesn't belong in the NHL and pool party is a rookie. Easy pass on this proposal.

 

[Maukkis]

The Jets posters do not have any interest in discussing any trades for Myers, Trouba or Byfuglien unless they are bending the other team over.

Truly the 2nd trade with the Oilers favors the Oilers too much and I would not be trading an asset like Eberle for Dman who just had major knee and hip surgery.

Why would we? We have absolutely zero additional blue liners to give up.

 

[nickschultzfan]

This is pure dung for the Wild.

Opinions of Brodin from fans of other teams is garbage on this board.

 

[Kase]

Good God! I hope not. We don't want just any LHD. We want a good one. That lets Brodin out.

[/IMG]

Im not claiming to be expert when talking about these hero charts, but i've learned that they need to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially with defencemen. If im not mistaken, these charts don't take usage into account, like zone starts and quality of competetion, which crucially effects on those numbers.

Despite Brodin's somewhat horrible looking numbers, that chart says his designated role to be a top pairing shutdown dman, which he kind of is..

 

[Hunter368]

The Jets posters do not have any interest in discussing any trades for Myers, Trouba or Byfuglien unless they are bending the other team over.

Truly the 2nd trade with the Oilers favors the Oilers too much and I would not be trading an asset like Eberle for Dman who just had major knee and hip surgery.

Why would the Jets trade one of their top 4, when we have no replacements?

Why would we make any lateral moves?

Why would we make a trade just for the sake of saying we made a trade?

Why would we do some other team a favor and give them a top 4 D at a discount?

Buff & Trouba are studs, no reason to trade them. Myers is signed long term on a decent contract and a very solid top 4, no reason to trade him. Toby is a top 4 D and has a full no move clause. As mentioned before we have no replacements for these guys of course were not trading them unless it's an overpayment or clearly an upgrade.

 

[ManofSteel55]

The Oilers don't need Myers and he's really only average at best defensively.
Just trade Myers to Minnesota for Brodin. Solves the LH/RH problems for both clubs

Just so stacked for quality RD I guess. Close it up Edmonton doesn't need to be making any proposals for RD. They've got all they need. Hand them multiple cups right now

Myers is coming off of major surgery. We don't know if he is even the same player as he used to be. No chance we want to risk taking damaged goods.

We don't need Brodin either. We need a 2nd pair puck mover. Brodin would be fine on any teams 2nd pair but is in no way a puck moving threat.

 

[mondo3]

The Jets posters do not have any interest in discussing any trades for Myers, Trouba or Byfuglien unless they are bending the other team over.
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I disagree...I think Myers would be available for an equivalent LD as we are overloaded at RD. While Trouba is playing ok at LD, he would be better in his natural RD position. Now if Brodin is not nearly as good as Myers, then this trade offer would not work. I would like to see some other team make a 1 for 1 offer of an equivalent LD for Myers, especially since I keep hearing that overall there is more of a demand for RD than LD

 

[DANOZ28]

i guess i would tend to agree brodin isnt the right fit for edm. i think edm needs a big crease clearing defensive defenseman & they need a pmd with plenty of offense (like dumba). brodin fits well in our system as a #4 D. as for eberle its not that hes bad however at 6 mill we would have to dump trade pominville before we could even consider needing a RW like eberle. keep in mind we have coyle ; nino ; stewart & prospect tuch for RW spots.

 

[Jeti]

The Jets posters do not have any interest in discussing any trades for Myers, Trouba or Byfuglien unless they are bending the other team over.

Pretty much every Jets poster wants to trade Myers for an equivalent LHD. It's hard to find more of a consensus on any forum than on that. With the shortage of good RHD in the league, making a straight-up swap shouldn't be that hard. The Jets shouldn't have to downgrade.

Of course, they'll have to wait until Myers proves the off-season surgeries are no longer an issue.

 

[Whileee]

Pretty much every Jets poster wants to trade Myers for an equivalent LHD. It's hard to find more of a consensus on any forum than on that. With the shortage of good RHD in the league, making a straight-up swap shouldn't be that hard. The Jets shouldn't have to downgrade.

Of course, they'll have to wait until Myers proves the off-season surgeries are no longer an issue.

I'm not convinced that the Jets need to be all that desperate to move Myers for a LHD. Trouba played very well with Byfuglien on the left side, and if that is a very effective top pairing, the Jets will be in good shape. Morrissey should start working his way into the line-up behind Trouba and Enstrom on the left side, and Chiarot still should be considered a decent 3rd pairing LHD, as needed.

The main issue for the Jets might be what they do about the expansion draft. It looks like they'll end up protecting 4D, which will mean losing a good young forward.

 

[JetsHomer]

Im not claiming to be expert when talking about these hero charts, but i've learned that they need to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially with defencemen. If im not mistaken, these charts don't take usage into account, like zone starts and quality of competetion, which crucially effects on those numbers.

Despite Brodin's somewhat horrible looking numbers, that chart says his designated role to be a top pairing shutdown dman, which he kind of is..

You are mistaken

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Doubt Chia makes any deals for a defenseman we would risk losing for nothing to expansion anyway. He probably wants to see how Davidson does over a full 82 as well.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Doubt Chia makes any deals for a defenseman we would risk losing for nothing to expansion anyway. He probably wants to see how Davidson does over a full 82 as well.

This. We could certainly still use help on the blueline, but I'm anticipating that Chiarelli is looking to upgrade what we currently have (ie, player+ from us for a better player) for defensemen rather than trading forwards for them at this point. As excited as some Oiler fans are, this is still a developing defense core as well, and the bulk of its improvement will come from bringing in Larsson and the development of our young guys (Klefbom, Davidson, Nurse, Reinhart).