Not interested in send RNH to the Wild, besides didn't they just sign their #1C in free agency
In the same shop you just picked up your #1 defenseman
Proposal: WPG-MIN-EDM 3 way
- Thread starter Toby Flenderson
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In the same shop you just picked up your #1 defenseman
That's good because there is no sane GM on the planet who would deal Spurgeon for RNH. The other two trades are debatable.
Seachd
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I'd be curious to hear exactly what you think the Hall trade says about the Oiler forwards, and how you think it even remotely relates to this proposal.
Not that I vehemently disagree with the sentiment, but this is sarcasm, right? The three forwards most often dangled by Edmonton are smallish underachievers. So you'd be happy with new smallish underachievers who are paid more? A lot more.
Over the last 5 seasons, Eberle has gone 356gp - 127g - 161a - 288 pts, for 24th in the NHL over that timeframe.
A similar winger in the same time frame went 341gp - 136g - 142a - 278pts. Same height, 6 years older, 15lbs heavier, almost identical stats. That said, he's paid 1.53m per year more than Eberle.
If you think that Eberle is underachieving, what do you think of Zach Parise?
Can't see either of these trades happening. Brodin sucks the offence out of his teammates. While everything he does looks nice, he magically gets his teammates to play a style of hockey that doesn't include offence all the while there isn't one thing in particular that Brodin is elite at.
If we had a superstar d-man on the right side at this point I'd be to some extent interested in picking up Brodin since Brodin can comfortably play both sides.... but that's really the only motivation I'd have to make a move for Brodin... just to have that depth.
If we made a move for Brodin we'd still need to go out and find another top 4 d-man that distributes the puck and then we'd be too defence heavy.
If we had a superstar d-man on the right side at this point I'd be to some extent interested in picking up Brodin since Brodin can comfortably play both sides.... but that's really the only motivation I'd have to make a move for Brodin... just to have that depth.
If we made a move for Brodin we'd still need to go out and find another top 4 d-man that distributes the puck and then we'd be too defence heavy.
TwiztedHeat
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Do you really believe Eberle to be a comparable to Parise? Like honestly, I'm genuinely curious if you do.
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Until he starts putting up some offensive stats then I agree with you that he's a borderline top 4.
What he does well that doesn't show up on the stat sheet is his ability to make a nice accurate first pass out of the dzone. I think he's going to be a late bloomer type that once he gains some confidence to carry the puck out he'll start generating some offense.
He's very smart, works hard and let's not forget there were many who thought he was a good Calder candidate. He just turned turned 23, and I don't think he even shaves yet
He's going to be well worth his 4.1m cap hit. JMOi think he's a completely different kind of player than Eberle. And you're not exactly making your point to me, as I've never been a Parise tire-pumper. Obviously I appreciate what he brings to the table and he absolutely was a great free agent signing --meaning we had to give up nothing but the cap space for him. Take that into account too with your comparison if you just want to acrobatically read off stats. Here's another one for you: all of Eberle's teams have been horribad. perhaps if he had the drive and motor or leadership of a Parise those oiler teams would be bubble playoff teams. Add the rest of the talent on top of a Parise in Edmonton and the playoffs would be a guarantee.
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I think this statement is ridiculous. We could have swapped Eberle for any player in the league on our team would have been awful. That's what happens when a team has poor depth players, bad goaltending and asks almost everyone to play above where they should play. It's only now that some of those areas are looking better.
and none of them, save Hall, looked like they gave a flying **** at any point when the going got tough. Sorry, you have to have a few people playing important roles who actually care. Eberle wasn't one of them. Now suddenly people say the Wild had depth? I thought that was LOL'd down every time a Wild fan mentioned it. Wild have no top end scoring talent, no sexy D. Yet we managed to be at least mediocre. I'll grant that a lot of that had to do with structure, but if the character wasn't there, no one was going to play structured hockey when we were in our really really bad swings every year. We always pulled ourselves out of the hole by the end of the season though. character.
ManofSteel55
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The Wild structure helped, yes. And compared to some of the scrubs our management gave key roles to, yes, you guys have had depth. At least you were playing with actual NHL'ers in your complete lineup for the most part. And you might not have top end scoring or "sexy D", but you have had one of the top 10 defensemen in the world anchoring that D, whether he is "sexy" or not doesn't really matter much. I'll say it again, swap Eberle with anyone in the league - Crosby, Toews, Tavares, Ovechkin, Benn...and the Oilers would still have been a bottom feeder for the last few years, for a LOT of reasons. Jordan Eberle's character isn't one of them. That's just making him a scapegoat. He is the most consistent offensive producer that we have had for years now. Sounds to me like you don't really understand the Oilers situation over the last few years.
You also lost me when you claimed that Hall cared when the going got tough. He showed anger about losing, but he mailed in the final 3 months of this season. And it wasn't the first time. He's a great talent when playing at his peak, truly one of the best, but I won't miss him giving up on the team for parts of the year. I believe its part of the reason Chiarelli was willing to move him.
I would think he had a UFA contract, is significantly more physical, plays better defense to a degree that seems unkind to quantify, and brings a level of leadership and marketability that Eberle couldn't touch. And I would be right.
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If Ryan Suter doesn't fill this role then the Oilers are icing Bantam level defenders.
Minute eating, puck moving, shutdown 50 point d-man
Just read the first page but Eberle was getting underrated IMO (first response called him tainted!?!).
Lucic opened up lot of ice for whomever as on the ice with him. If they put Eberle with Lucic it could do wonders to an already good/great stat line.
I am far from an Oiler fan but I don't think they would do Eberle for Meyers just do to RW depth. I like Meyers but I think that would just create a larger hole for the Oilers.
Lucic opened up lot of ice for whomever as on the ice with him. If they put Eberle with Lucic it could do wonders to an already good/great stat line.
I am far from an Oiler fan but I don't think they would do Eberle for Meyers just do to RW depth. I like Meyers but I think that would just create a larger hole for the Oilers.
I think "Sexy D" implies high end "showoff" type offensive dmen like Subban/Weber/Karlsson/etc. Suter isn't fantastic at offensive. He's elite at everything else though.
Exactly--sexy is the flashy D. Dumba has some real potential to be sexy. Suter isn't a big hitter or shooter, though he is elite.
Would agree the Oilers would improve immensely and immediately having a guy with his level of competence and endurance playing half a game back there even if he wasn't dropping bombs or leveling people.
Larsson should IMO be that type of player, where before that trade most Oiler fans seemed to be looking for a guy with offense as the primary attribute.
Would agree the Oilers would improve immensely and immediately having a guy with his level of competence and endurance playing half a game back there even if he wasn't dropping bombs or leveling people.
Larsson should IMO be that type of player, where before that trade most Oiler fans seemed to be looking for a guy with offense as the primary attribute.
