Proposal: Would you trade Stutzle for Matthews?

[TML Dynasty]

TS is an awesome player, would love him on the team. Matthews is the better player.

I get the concern over contracts, but I’m optimistic he won’t take us to the cleaners. If it’s about $ then the earning potential is here…..4th liner Acciari got a cookie sponsorship ffs lol. Matthews will clean up.

TS definitely has the POTENTIAL to ascend to AMs level. But I’m not sure I take that over someone who is already there.

Willing to change opinion next year after contract is figured out and Matthews proves this ‘down year’ isn’t his new level.

 

[Jerkbait]

Still doesn’t change fact you back pedalled.

On what??? He will most liley never score 50, neither will Nylander LOL make the trade

The point is not that 50 will win it, the point is that TS's development is no where near complete, he may hit 50, he may hit 60, you have no idea. To say it's a guarantee that he never will, while mentioning players that couldn't do what he is doing at the same age as some sort of evidence, really makes you look uninformed and just plain silly.

This isn't hard, your right, stop being so committed to being wrong and you'll see that.

Iam not wrong ...your trying to predict at something that won't happen to fit your narrow narrative. He isnt on Matthews level as far as value goes, he won't win a rocket or hart and yes its a guarantee....when he does come.back LOL think we ve waiting a while
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[Golden_Jet]

On what??? He will most liley never score 50, neither will Nylander LOL make the trade


Iam not wrong ...your trying to predict at something that won't happen to fit your narrow narrative. He isnt on Matthews level as far as value goes, he won't win a rocket or hart and yes its a guarantee....when he does come.back LOL think we ve waiting a while
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So to sum it up

Other posters should not make predictions or say something is possible ,
but everyone should take your word on predictions, Funny guy.

 

[Jerkbait]

So to sum it up

Other posters should not make predictions or say something is possible ,
but everyone should take your word on predictions, Funny guy.

Make your silly predictions that are cleary impossible...give her ...ll stick to history, facts, stats, logic and common sense.

With that amount of elite talent currently in the NHL and the amount coming up ...its as safe as bet as there is . Again for TS to win a rocket ( let alone a hart) he would need a collapse of mcdavid , a total no show of Am34, leon to quit, Kutcherov to go back to Russia, Tage to retire , DP to get traded to Arizona, Rantan to lose a hand in a farm accident, conner # 2 to switch to table tennis etc etc ....ill stick to the guarantee son...

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

On what??? He will most liley never score 50, neither will Nylander LOL make the trade


Iam not wrong ...your trying to predict at something that won't happen to fit your narrow narrative. He isnt on Matthews level as far as value goes, he won't win a rocket or hart and yes its a guarantee....when he does come.back LOL think we ve waiting a while
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My narrative is more feasible than the crap your peddling, he isn't on Mathews level now, but everything he has done so far indicates he will be, how does it not? Again at the same age, Matthews had less points and all the people you used, except McJeesus were not putting up anywhere near what TS is now at the same age, care to explain that? Maybe just maybe they developed into these players, but TS isn't capable of that for some reason, even though he is developing at a higher rate than most of the people you mentioned.

Maybe think about your response, because your sounding less and less knowledgeable with each post bud.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Make your silly predictions that are cleary impossible...give her ...ll stick to history, facts, stats, logic and common sense.

With that amount of elite talent currently in the NHL and the amount coming up ...its as safe as bet as there is . Again for TS to win a rocket ( let alone a hart) he would need a collapse of mcdavid , a total no show of Am34, leon to quit, Kutcherov to go back to Russia, Tage to retire , DP to get traded to Arizona, Rantan to lose a hand in a farm accident, conner # 2 to switch to table tennis etc etc ....ill stick to the guarantee son...

Great with the goalpost movement, you’re the only one talking about him getting a rocket, no one here brought it up but you.
Since you don’t watch him. He’s a playmaker first, goal scorer second.
Time to find something else to troll there buddy.
Lol with your guarantees, and you’re moving into childish now.

 

[Jerkbait]

My narrative is more feasible than the crap your peddling, he isn't on Mathews level now, but everything he has done so far indicates he will be, how does it not? Again at the same age, Matthews had less points and all the people you used, except McJeesus were not putting up anywhere near what TS is now at the same age, care to explain that? Maybe just maybe they developed into these players, but TS isn't capable of that for some reason, even though he is developing at a higher rate than most of the people you mentioned.

Maybe think about your response, because your sounding less and less knowledgeable with each post bud.

LOL....some novices just don't understand hockey logic...ill remind you next year when TS is about 12th in scoring and the rocket and hart sit comfortably on someone else's shelf ...and that continues to be a guarantee

 

[Golden_Jet]

LOL....some novices just don't understand hockey logic...ill remind you next year when TS is about 12th in scoring and the rocket and hart sit comfortably on someone else's shelf ...and that continues to be a guarantee

You didn’t respond to one point in your quote, other than your infatuation with Stutzle. You’re the only poster in this thread harping about Hart and Rockets, and guarantees.
One poster, that’s it,

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

LOL....some novices just don't understand hockey logic...ill remind you next year when TS is about 12th in scoring and the rocket and hart sit comfortably on someone else's shelf ...and that continues to be a guarantee

Some children can't respond to logical arguments, notice how you've been presented over and over and you've yet to provide any sort of counter-argument, just keep pushing the same narrative over and over, even though it's full of holes, it honestly makes you look more uninformed every single post. It's almost as if you know your wrong your ego just won't let you admit it, sad really.

 

[LeProspector]

Matthews is the better player.

 

[robsenz]

Absolutely not he'll likely regress hard at some point

 

[sennysensen]

Which is funny because not even a month ago we had Sens fans claiming Tkachuk is better than Marner

Brady Tkachuk vs Mitch Marner

Marner has proven he is soft and can't show up when it matters. So you need to subtract that from his regular season accomplishments. It's a big subtraction. We've been waiting a long time for Playoff Warrior Tkachuk to show up.

forums.hfboards.com

So you can see why Leaf fans aren't taking these comparisons seriously. Eventually every Leaf will lose to the shiny new toy until something shinier and newer comes along.

I'm me, I'm not "Sens fans". I've always held Marner in high regard, and think he might be better than Matthews.

It is amusing that you think I am somehow responsible for the statements of other Sens fans.

It's also amusing that you're upset by the fact that I said Stutzle could surpass Matthews someday which is certainly true. Notice carefully that I said could, not will. More likely Matthews will always be better, but that's not for certain.

Thanks for the chuckle, though. I certainly don't take you seriously.

 

[TS Quint]

TS is an awesome player, would love him on the team. Matthews is the better player.

I get the concern over contracts, but I’m optimistic he won’t take us to the cleaners. If it’s about $ then the earning potential is here…..4th liner Acciari got a cookie sponsorship ffs lol. Matthews will clean up.

TS definitely has the POTENTIAL to ascend to AMs level. But I’m not sure I take that over someone who is already there.

Willing to change opinion next year after contract is figured out and Matthews proves this ‘down year’ isn’t his new level.

Toronto fans always talk about this sponsorship money that’s going to help save them cap space yet pay more for their players and didnt help keep Hyman like they thought it would.

Matthews doesn’t need to be in Toronto to get sponsorship money. In fact being the great American hype he would more likely do better in the US.

Mtthews took the Leafs to the cleaners on potential last negotiation. Now he has the hardware for this negotiation. He’s not going to leave a penny on the table but he will leave years just like last time.

The only people bringing up the “down year“ are straw man building Leafs fans.

 

[crazyhawk]

You didn’t respond to one point in your quote, other than your infatuation with Stutzle. You’re the only poster in this thread harping about Hart and Rockets, and guarantees.
One poster, that’s it,

I have often found that a person's username is an apt description of their content.
Yours truly included!

 

[CornerStone61]

Matthews is the better player.

I think that's pretty well established here, but given contract status there certainly is a conversation to be had here.

 

[Atomos2]

I'm me, I'm not "Sens fans". I've always held Marner in high regard, and think he might be better than Matthews.

It is amusing that you think I am somehow responsible for the statements of other Sens fans.

It's also amusing that you're upset by the fact that I said Stutzle could surpass Matthews someday which is certainly true. Notice carefully that I said could, not will. More likely Matthews will always be better, but that's not for certain.

Thanks for the chuckle, though. I certainly don't take you seriously.

You shouldn't take me seriously. I'm in a thread where people are valuing Stutzle over the reigning MVP. All the seriousness left the building when the thread started.

 

[jbeck5]

Matthews is the better player.

Not saying he's not...

But have you ever said the sens player is better in any poll or anything ever? Just curious. I only see you in threads shitting on sens.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I honestly cannot believe this is an actual thread LMAO. This is going to age just as the Marner and Tkachuk debates.

Let it go Sens fans, your star players aren't even good enough to get you into the playoffs.

The Marner vs Tkachuk debates?
That one works both ways depending on which Tkachuk.

 

[mydnyte]

I'm me, I'm not "Sens fans". I've always held Marner in high regard, and think he might be better than Matthews.

It is amusing that you think I am somehow responsible for the statements of other Sens fans.

It's also amusing that you're upset by the fact that I said Stutzle could surpass Matthews someday which is certainly true. Notice carefully that I said could, not will. More likely Matthews will always be better, but that's not for certain.

Thanks for the chuckle, though. I certainly don't take you seriously.

Matthews is arguably the 2nd best player in the world ...Stutzle is arguably the 2nd best player on his team depending on how much people value Tkachuk.
do you think the Oilers would trade Drais (who is one of the other players along with MacKinnon in the argument as being #2 behind McD) for Stutzle?
do you think Col would trade Mackinnon for Stutlze?
do you think Dal would trade Robertson for Stutzle?
do you think Buffalo would trade TT for Stutle?
Stutzle is a good player, and may be a 'great' player, but, he's not a world class player.

I remember the same argument being made by Vancouver fans about Pettersson who is having a phenomenal season after a few rougher ones; better than Stutzle's, but, i havent heard the i wouldnt trade him for X in a while.
do you think they would traed Pettersson for Stutzle?

neither is as good as Matthews.
the only true Matthews compatibles in my post here are Drais, and MacKinnon

GM's trade for the best player regardless of contract status, or cap hit, and then make it work later, like NYI with Horvat (no contract or idea if he'd resign), or LVGK with every 'star' trade they made i.e. Pietrangelo, and Eichel.

Eichel ...there is another one that was 'on par' with Matthews, didnt end up that way did it?
there is one, i'd definitely keep Stutzle over
and i'd also keep him over Robertson, but dont think Dallas would.
the rest, nope.
the only person of those i mentioned that i'd even consider would be MacKinnon but, even that would be a 'maybe' and likely a pass.

 

[LeProspector]

Not saying he's not...

But have you ever said the sens player is better in any poll or anything ever? Just curious. I only see you in threads shitting on sens.

Why would I say Stützle is the better player here?

Wrong thread to pick this fight.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why would I say Stützle is the better player here?

Wrong thread to pick this fight.

You wouldn’t, since you open a new Sens troll thread daily.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Not saying he's not...

But have you ever said the sens player is better in any poll or anything ever? Just curious. I only see you in threads shitting on sens.

saying matthews is better isn't shitting on the sens. i think the majority would agree matthews is the better player. stutzle has term which is why he wins this poll.

 

[Ninety7]

Matthews 150,000% of the time.

 

[SpezDispenser]

You guys are still on this? Matthews is the better overall player and will get paid like it. going either direction isnt even that bad, personally I would rather take the better player. when the cap is rising how it was suppose to that tiny bit of cap savings isn't going to make much of a difference.

I mean would u trade Stutzle for MacKinnon or others that are viewed in the same tier as Matthews?
if the answer is still a No then it's likely homerism

Matthews has been injured all season just like Ive been questioning since the season started and is still over ppg.
not trying to knock Stutzle at all he's a awesome young player but he's not on Matthews level yet.

If the only way Stutzle wouldnt be traded is if Matthews left as a UFA after next season then this thread is pointless because that's obvious especially for Ottawa's position

That's not really the whole point. It navigated the point well though.

If Matthews gets 13 million, is he 5 million dollars better than Stutzle?

The answer is, once again, obviously not.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Matthews is arguably the 2nd best player in the world ...Stutzle is arguably the 2nd best player on his team depending on how much people value Tkachuk.
do you think the Oilers would trade Drais (who is one of the other players along with MacKinnon in the argument as being #2 behind McD) for Stutzle?
do you think Col would trade Mackinnon for Stutlze?
do you think Dal would trade Robertson for Stutzle?
do you think Buffalo would trade TT for Stutle?
Stutzle is a good player, and may be a 'great' player, but, he's not a world class player.

I remember the same argument being made by Vancouver fans about Pettersson who is having a phenomenal season after a few rougher ones; better than Stutzle's, but, i havent heard the i wouldnt trade him for X in a while.
do you think they would traed Pettersson for Stutzle?

neither is as good as Matthews.
the only true Matthews compatibles in my post here are Drais, and MacKinnon

GM's trade for the best player regardless of contract status, or cap hit, and then make it work later, like NYI with Horvat (no contract or idea if he'd resign), or LVGK with every 'star' trade they made i.e. Pietrangelo, and Eichel.

Eichel ...there is another one that was 'on par' with Matthews, didnt end up that way did it?
there is one, i'd definitely keep Stutzle over
and i'd also keep him over Robertson, but dont think Dallas would.
the rest, nope.
the only person of those i mentioned that i'd even consider would be MacKinnon but, even that would be a 'maybe' and likely a pass.

Agreed. There has been some pretty dumb threads on both sides. The Matthews vs McDavid one’s of last year were equally as bad.
I think most would rank Matthews around fifth or sixth even after a down year. Behind McDavid, Draisaitl, Mack and Makar. And likely Kucherov as well.
That said Stutzle would probably be the choice of rebuilding teams who won’t compete for a few years yet.
But the poll itself is pretty meaningless as someone Stutzle’s age who just turned 21 is obviously going to be the inferior player compared to a more established player. There’s also a good chance he never reaches Matthews level but only time will tell.