Proposal: Would you trade Stutzle for Matthews?

[Killer Orcas]

"He plays on the PK" random 4th liners play on the PK...

Elias Pettersson and JT Miller are random 4th liners to you I guess as they play the PK. Pretty sure Marner does to .

 

[Lemontree]

What a stupid comment lol. Stutzle isn't as good as Kerfoot then either because Kerfoot has career .43 Playoff PPG, Stutzle is 0.00, herpy derpy.

I didn't compare Stutzle to any player and I certainly wouldn't compare him to Kerfoot.

I'd also much prefer Jesse Puljujarvi over William Nylander, the 2nd round virgin.

Hahahaha......you seem like a very reasonable and rational poster.

 

[Jerkbait]

Stutzle has more chances of hitting 50 than Matthews has at scoring 60 again. Stu is at pace for nearly 45 goals right now. I don't see 50 goals impossible. He also passes on shooting a lot more than Matthews does.

Nah that's incorrect . Tim may get 50 someday. AM 34 will get 60 again probably more than once . His own reluctance is irrelevant. Regardless, nobody is trading a hart winner and perennial rocket winner unless its complete contract thing

 

[authentic]

Is Marner a random 4th liner on the PK, I’ll wait for your if ands and buts.

"He plays PK" okay case closed he's better than Matthews

Elias Pettersson and JT Miller are random 4th liners to you I guess as they play the PK. Pretty sure Marner does to .

Playing on the PK doesn't make a player better than one who doesn't.

 

[Golden_Jet]

"He plays PK" okay case closed he's better than Matthews
Playing on the PK doesn't make a player better than one who doesn't.

Atta boy, nice backtrack,

And bolded is not a generality,
So also , one who doesn’t play on PK, doesn’t make them a better player,
So that point doesn’t mean anything.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Playing on the PK doesn't make a player better than one who doesn't.

No but it shows that a player is probably slower and not capable of doing it

 

[authentic]

Atta boy, nice backtrack,

And bolded is not a generality,
So also , one who doesn’t play on PK, doesn’t make them a better player,
So that point doesn’t mean anything.

 

[McVespa99]

He pretty much has to be a top 3 or 4 amd he isn't...great player but its kot reality

No he doesnt. Doesnt even have to be top 10. Not when he is putting up lots of goals and points, is younger and still has room to grow, and makes 5 or 6 million a year less going forward. The poll disagrees with you

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

I think a lot of the value would come with the value of caphit. Matthews at MAX Cap Hit/term but signing Stutzle to a 8 year bridge deal similar to Thompson from Buffalo would give you a better chance a winning longer. One doesn't show up to the playoffs when they matter so far and one has never been to the playoffs. I would take Stutzle for less money longer term than over pay for injury prone Matthews and who has not performed or carried his team to a playoff series win yet. Matthews is great in the regular season but he has missed more games than Ovie in the same amount of time yet he is much younger than Ovie. I think Matthews is going through what most young players have to deal with is learning to win in the playoffs. It took Kucherov, Hedman, Stamkos, and Point a while to figured it out. Matthews and Stutzle are both great regular season players but I think it comes down to term and value of contract.

 

[AllDay28]

Sens fans not trading Timmy for Auston are the same people who thought these losers would make the playoffs What a waste of the end of Girouxs career

 

[Jerkbait]

No he doesnt. Doesnt even have to be top 10. Not when he is putting up lots of goals and points, is younger and still has room to grow, and makes 5 or 6 million a year less going forward. The poll disagrees with you

Yes he does .. logic and common sense agrees just fine ...its simple. It's easy ...Tim is a good player and will probably get better but he will never win a hart or Rocket...its just not happening. AM34 will probably win more rockets and could even be MVP again if mcdavid has an off year. Like I said the only way a trade wukf happen is if AM34 informed dubas he would not return and asked for a trade....the. Tim would be a excellent prize to recoup but that's where it ends.

 

[sennysensen]

Not a chance I would trade 8+ years of Stutzle for 1+ year of Matthews. You'd be crazy to. Will Matthews always be the better player? What about in say 2-3 years? You can't say for sure. He is a great player but it's arguable that Marner is just as good or even better so they inflate each other's stats. Stutzle plays with Tkachuk and other good players too, but not one as good as Mariner (I realize M and M aren't always on the same line, but they are sometimes plus the PP, maybe Matthews is well behind last year's pace from playing less with Marner) .

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Yes he does .. logic and common sense agrees just fine ...its simple. It's easy ...Tim is a good player and will probably get better but he will never win a hart or Rocket...its just not happening. AM34 will probably win more rockets and could even be MVP again if mcdavid has an off year. Like I said the only way a trade wukf happen is if AM34 informed dubas he would not return and asked for a trade....the. Tim would be a excellent prize to recoup but that's where it ends.

Love how AM will probably win more, if McDavid has an off year, but no chance Tim can win in the same situation, 21 years old and on pace of 43 goals and 93 points, but no chance he every scores close to AM, LOL oh leafs fans, AM is the better player now, no doubt, but this implication that a 21 year old won't get better, even though he is and that a guy who had 60 goals once (yes only once leafs fans) will be a perennial rocket winner (even though he's only won once) is f***ing hilarious.

Love how the trade could happen but only if AM asks out, as if any team gives up a player like TS for a guy that wants out, the level of delusion it would take to believe some of the crap you guys are peddling, WOW

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Post Stutzle‘s playoff stats since that seems to be your issue with Matthews.


Where did the #1 dman come from? You referenced Chychrun than magically a top dman showed up in the equation.

Your best players should play the best when it matters most, AM consistently goes silent at the most important times and isn't even a PPG in the playoffs, if you don't understand that's what the poster you responded to was saying than maybe you need to lose the bias? Coming back with asking how someone who has been stuck on one of the worst teams in the league has done while not making the playoffs just makes you sound dumb.

 

[Jerkbait]

Love how AM will probably win more, if McDavid has an off year, but no chance Tim can win in the same situation, 21 years old and on pace of 43 goals and 93 points, but no chance he every scores close to AM, LOL oh leafs fans, AM is the better player now, no doubt, but this implication that a 21 year old won't get better, even though he is and that a guy who had 60 goals once (yes only once leafs fans) will be a perennial rocket winner (even though he's only won once) is f***ing hilarious.

Love how the trade could happen but only if AM asks out, as if any team gives up a player like TS for a guy that wants out, the level of delusion it would take to believe some of the crap you guys are peddling, WOW

Do you see the difference or understand logic???? LOL...for Tim to win , mcdavid AND AM34 wouod have t9 have down year la. The absolute chance of that are NIL. Additionally, there are other players just as good right NOW that eouod have the same chance....DP, Thompson kutch even perhaps Marner. Tim would have to leap frog all those. Then wait ...there is a new talent coming in Berard ...by the time mcdavid is leaving his prime CB will be entering his...leaving little room if any for other stars players.

Now that we establish the tier system and how it works. Let's focus on value. One must assume AM wants to stay. His value right now is probably # 2/3 in league. His resume speaks for its itself. He isnt going to decline any time soon and his prime will overlap with tims. Matthews prime is elite, we know this, hell even mcdavid knows this. Tim will get better but does he project to elite? NO. $$ means little to Toronto as they will find a way to surround matthews amd marner. Come back in 3 or 4 years when Matthews has peaked and offer a proposal then. I would offer you Nylander and Holl though.....

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Do you see the difference or understand logic???? LOL...for Tim to win , mcdavid AND AM34 wouod have t9 have down year la. The absolute chance of that are NIL. Additionally, there are other players just as good right NOW that eouod have the same chance....DP, Thompson kutch even perhaps Marner. Tim would have to leap frog all those. Then wait ...there is a new talent coming in Berard ...by the time mcdavid is leaving his prime CB will be entering his...leaving little room if any for other stars players.

Now that we establish the tier system and how it works. Let's focus on value. One must assume AM wants to stay. His value right now is probably # 2/3 in league. His resume speaks for its itself. He isnt going to decline any time soon and his prime will overlap with tims. Matthews prime is elite, we know this, hell even mcdavid knows this. Tim will get better but does he project to elite? NO. $$ means little to Toronto as they will find a way to surround matthews amd marner. Come back in 3 or 4 years when Matthews has peaked and offer a proposal then. I would offer you Nylander and Holl though.....

By that logic AM would never have a chance at winning again either right? Oh and is this year not a down year for AM? So this year will never happen again for AM? TS is 21 and on pace for 97 points, if that alone isn't "elite" as you say I'd love to know your definition of elite is?........ AM has one season of 60 goals, but will be a perennial rocket winner, TS at 21 is on pace for 43 goals but will "somehow" never touch AM and his one (ONE) 60 goal season. ok then.......

You said the leafs could trade for someone like TS if AM wanted out, my argument is there is no chance in hell a team trades a player like TS for a player that wants out. Any chance you can counter argue that, since, you know, that was your argument? Unless the sheer lunacy of it has no counter argument, which makes sense if that's what ya wanna go with?

 

[Funk21]

Inspiration:



Stutzle: Just turned 21, signed for 8 more years at 8.35 AAV.

31G - 35A - 66P (23PPP) - 59 GP

Matthews: 25 years old, signed for 1 more year at 11.64 AAV.

29G - 33A - 62P (21PPP) - 57 GP

As a TML fan yes, as a senators fan absolutely not.

The true test of how long the AM era is in Toronto is approaching this summer. If he ask for more than 13 million per and I don’t think he is even worth that then I would trade him. Further that better be for 8 years. Lots of speculation about him and his next contract and of course Toronto media inflating his value it’s disappointing. If he wants one cent over that trade him to Zona for their 1st pick in 2023 and 3 more. Let him play in a college stadium in front of 5K fans and see how many National commercials come his way.

 

[guyzeur]

Ofcourse i would. Players like Matthews don't come around often. Tim will never sniff 50 goals, let alone 60!

I'm keeping this one

 

[K1900L]

I don't know dude, Stutzle has a .07 higher points per game than Matthews this season and he's -2 to Matthews +31. Matthews is a dominant two-way player.

+- is a bad way of judging a player's defensive abilities, because Toronto collectively is a better team and it shows in the statistics of the majority of players.
Stützle is pretty good defensively as well, he backchecks hard and gets a lot of penalty kill time. But he plays on a team without any defensive structure. That is not his fault.

 

[McSuper]

Matthew’s AINEC

In a vacuum yes. In a cap world that will be determined after Matthews signs his next deal. Cap has value. Also factor in how often Matthews seems to be injured.

Matthews > Stutzle
Matthews at 13M < Stutzle

 

[GCK]

If I was going into a playoff series today I’d take Matthews without hesitation.

If I look 2 years out I’m not sure if that will be the case.

When I look at where the contracts will be in 2 years I’m taking Stutzle without hesitation.

Both players are awesome.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Sens fans not trading Timmy for Auston are the same people who thought these losers would make the playoffs What a waste of the end of Girouxs career

If that's "wasting" the end of someone's career, then what exactly did your Leafs do to Spezza, Marleau and Thornton? Giordano and Simmonds next. And finally, Mr. Toronto himself Johnny T. Or is extending their season by 2 weeks considered a success to you?

Giroux is a point per game player right now, he has a few years left and Ottawa will give him at least 1-2 playoff runs. Who knows, he may even win a playoff series for his home team before Mr. Toronto does.

Ofcourse i would. Players like Matthews don't come around often. Tim will never sniff 50 goals, let alone 60!

Auston Matthews' 3rd season:
68GP 37G 36A 73P, -9 on a playoff team

Tim Stützle's 3rd season:
66GP 35G 43A 78P, -2 on a non-playoff team

Not trying to say Tim is better, but how can you confidently say that Tim will never hit 50 when his numbers at the same age are nearly identical as your boy wonder Matthews? Or was that an "off'" year for him too?

Stützle is playing at a 43 goal pace through 66 games and just turned 21, and you're saying he'll never sniff 50. You're kind of a clown and a bad look for the smart leaf fans.

 

[McSuper]

Sens fans not trading Timmy for Auston are the same people who thought these losers would make the playoffs What a waste of the end of Girouxs career

And how many players have done the same in Toronto? Some wasted their career there.

Sundin
Gilmour
Salming

Edmonton, the team I cheer for had this happen as well. Every team goes threw a rebuild from time to time.

I am not sure how fans get all high and mighty when they live in glass houses.

The first highlighted part is wrong. Maybe it is fans who understand the cap better than you may.

Now the calling a team losers? Might want to look at the history of your own team to see the definition. 1967 ! . I don't even like the Sen's and if it came down to TML vs Ottawa I would want TML to win

 

[KevinFinnerty]

If that's "wasting" the end of someone's career, then what exactly did your Leafs do to Spezza, Marleau and Thornton? Giordano and Simmonds next. And finally, Mr. Toronto himself Johnny T. Or is extending their season by 2 weeks considered a success to you?

Giroux is a point per game player right now, he has a few years left and Ottawa will give him at least 1-2 playoff runs. Who knows, he may even win a playoff series for his home team before Mr. Toronto does.


Auston Matthews' 3rd season:
68GP 37G 36A 73P, -9 on a playoff team

Tim Stützle's 3rd season:
66GP 35G 43A 78P, -2 on a non-playoff team

Not trying to say Tim is better, but how can you confidently say that Tim will never hit 50 when his numbers at the same age are nearly identical as your boy wonder Matthews? Or was that an "off'" year for him too?

Stützle is playing at a 43 goal pace through 66 games and just turned 21, and you're saying he'll never sniff 50. You're kind of a clown and a bad look for the smart leaf fans.

I'm not a Leafs fan first of all, second of all Zibby has 37 goals and is on pace to break 40 as well, is he a 60 goal player? No. And Stutzle won't be either. Matthews is.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I'm not a Leafs fan first of all, second of all Zibby has 37 goals and is on pace to break 40 as well, is he a 60 goal player? No. And Stutzle won't be either. Matthews is.

Comparing a 28 year old who is likely in his prime to a 21 year old who is still developing makes complete sense.........

Zibby likely has topped out at 28 years old, or at the very least is in his prime, how in the hell can you say that TS has when he is only 21? Like are you new to hockey?

This is honestly one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here. Good job....