Value of: Would anyone take Barclay Goodrow?

[smoneil]

Retain 600K and the Oilers would do Puljujarvi. NYR can walk from Puljujarvi at the end of the year. Oilers get a 3 line upgrade

As I said earlier, that would mean the Rangers would lose Goodrow for the playoffs, retain for FOUR years, and get nothing. You can have the player at full hit for free, or you can get the player with some retention for an actual asset we want (not greedy, but it has to justify four years of dead cap--in the 2nd round pick range). Regardless, no deals around Goodrow will happen at all until after the season (so Puljujarvi is irrelevant).

 

[smoneil]

Pretty sure NYR can trade Blais as a cap dump and fit Meier at 50% that way, plus whatever they'd give the Sharks in Lafreniere. I doubt Kakko will be moved since he's showing signs of life and no shot they trade Chytil since he's their best young player on the forward side at the moment

Because of the cap situation, there is no way to re-sign Meier. As such, there is no way the Rangers include any of their cheap young players for a rental. Market Meier to a team who can afford to re-up him. That team would be more incentivized to offer what Meier is worth.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Because of the cap situation, there is no way to re-sign Meier. As such, there is no way the Rangers include any of their cheap young players for a rental. Market Meier to a team who can afford to re-up him. That team would be more incentivized to offer what Meier is worth.

Part of me thinks they're doing it to the up the price on NJ which is obviously smart, I don't think they're in at Meier at all that seriously.

 

[smoneil]

Show me, but still not properly used.
Letting him go cheap would be unforgivably BAD asset mgmt, which can, and hopefully will be avoided.

In the short term, as I say, we are married to bread. He won't stay his whole 3 seasons after this b'c he is not getting an offer from us, for any $$$, due to cap, so he will waive before, but not now.

Also short term, Goodrow needs to be stapled to bread. Can't have a scenario where he gets bullied, Kreider or Zib step in, and break a hand. If that IS what we have to do in the POs, GG should start with that now.

So:
Goodrow - Zib - Panarin

We do
Kreider - Tro - Krav

then kid line

leaves Vesey brod Gauthier

I see a deal for LaF w/Sens, will post something later during the wk
I believe we can move enuf salary to possibly extend both Chytil + KAM, dep on what they want, but I think they work w/us on 3-5 yr deals since bread and trouba will be gone, and the team has a young core w/upside

Goodrow may have to go dep on that deal
Lindgren will have to go for picks and they need to admit to that reality and do it now to max the return, let Robertson get 3rd pair mins.

I don't want Robertson to turn into another Reunanen, a guy that was underutilized, and eventually we got nothing. If better ahead of him fine give those guys a few games off here and there, and up Reunanen value and deal. Same w/Robbie,

Thanks for Krav at pivot acknowledgment.
When bread goes, with Goodrow following or relocated in lineup, we can explore
Kreid - Krav - Zib
this keeps CK comfy on left, and on def/faceoffs utilizes zib as a righty. Again, on offense, no prob guys floating w/what works.

Bern, we aren't moving a legit 1st line center in Zibanejad to the wing just to accommodate a kid with 10 career points who played center in a tournament once. That's just nuts. Also no to moving Laf, no to moving Lindgren, and Robertson can break in when he's ready to break in. He's 21 years old and a big kid. When he's ready, he'll pretty easily displace Harpur. We got nothing for Reunanen because Reunanen was in a crowd of mediocre smallish D-prospects and never stood out. He ended up behind Fox, K'AM, Jones, Nils Lundkvist, etc etc.

Again, Kravtsov is 23 years old. He has 10 points. Even WITH poor usage, he should have more than that. He's in the same kind of category as Pavel Brendl for me--he has all the talent in the world, but to paraphrase Jo Dee Messina, his give-a-damn's busted. Best thing for him is to go to a team that will throw him in the top six. Best thing for us is to leverage what's left of his reputation to pick up a decent rental for the playoffs and enable us to cling to those 1st rounders a bit tighter (I don't want either of them traded for a rental).

 

[smoneil]

Part of me thinks they're doing it to the up the price on NJ which is obviously smart, I don't think they're in at Meier at all that seriously.

I'm a life-long fan of the Rangers, the Knicks, and the Jets. Never underestimate the capacity for stupidity in NYC front offices, haha. It would be a stupid move, but then it was clear that Buchnevich for Blais and a 2nd was a stupid move too. How many assets have they wasted trying to plug the hole they created with THAT trade?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I'm a life-long fan of the Rangers, the Knicks, and the Jets. Never underestimate the capacity for stupidity in NYC front offices, haha. It would be a stupid move, but then it was clear that Buchnevich for Blais and a 2nd was a stupid move too. How many assets have they wasted trying to plug the hole they created with THAT trade?

Ha, I feel you on the Jets. Yeah, that was a stupid move but at the time it was thought to allow Kakko to move in the top 6 for more time. Just so happened that the veteran coach rather go with a safe player like Dryden Hunt (lol) over giving the youth more time. The actual idea of trading Buch made sense but the value they got back + what Gallant did absolutely ruined it.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern, we aren't moving a legit 1st line center in Zibanejad to the wing just to accommodate a kid with 10 career points who played center in a tournament once. That's just nuts. Also no to moving Laf, no to moving Lindgren, and Robertson can break in when he's ready to break in. He's 21 years old and a big kid. When he's ready, he'll pretty easily displace Harpur. We got nothing for Reunanen because Reunanen was in a crowd of mediocre smallish D-prospects and never stood out. He ended up behind Fox, K'AM, Jones, Nils Lundkvist, etc etc.

Again, Kravtsov is 23 years old. He has 10 points. Even WITH poor usage, he should have more than that. He's in the same kind of category as Pavel Brendl for me--he has all the talent in the world, but to paraphrase Jo Dee Messina, his give-a-damn's busted. Best thing for him is to go to a team that will throw him in the top six. Best thing for us is to leverage what's left of his reputation to pick up a decent rental for the playoffs and enable us to cling to those 1st rounders a bit tighter (I don't want either of them traded for a rental).

moving Z to W has zero impact on how they play offense. Like I said, it is as to defensive end and faceoffs where same handedness is a plus

We were better off dealing Reunanen at some point, which was not done
don't make that same mistake w/Robertson
deal him, unless return for Lindy s so high you go that way

peeps were wrong about Chytil
they will be wrong about Krav if he doesn't get a correct chance per bern


people were quick to throw Chytil

 

[mouser]

Interesting contract. Why didn’t the Rangers frontload it? He might be harder to move because he is owed $5.1 million next year and $5 million in 2024-25. Also he has a 15 team no trade so he could list all the rebuilding teams.

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Likely because Escrow % was higher in 2021-22 vs 2022-23 and going forward.

Goodrow and his agent wanted the contract back loaded to reduce Escrow. More final take home pay for Goodrow after Escrow deductions.

 

[mouser]

The high salaries in years 3 and 4 make the contract very good for a buyout in those years. The assumption is Drury did that intentionally in case a buyout became necessary. If Goodrow were to be bought out this summer, the Rangers would save 3,841,666 against the cap (full cap hit plus a 200k credit).

My assumption is Goodrow’s agent wanted the contract structured that way to reduce Escrow. I doubt Drury or any GM structures a contract with the intent to make a buyout less painful.

If that were Drury’s goal he wouldn’t have agreed to a $1.25m signing bonus in the final year of the contract.

 

[Gliff]

His contract makes it pretty hard without retaining taking a bad contract back.

From a contender's POV, most team's could't afford a 3.6 mil 3rd liner for 4 more years after this.

From a bad team's POV (like the Ducks), I would gladly take him as a solid vet for the rebuild. But there is no way the Ducks would take that type of player that is owed over 16 mil in cash over the next 4 years for free.

 

[smoneil]

peeps were wrong about Chytil
they will be wrong about Krav if he doesn't get a correct chance per bern


people were quick to throw Chytil

I'm not one of those people. I've been a proponent of Chytil for years. But Chytil showed more at age 18 than Kravtsov is showing at 23. I don't think the team plans to wait 5 years to see if a 28 year old Kravtsov can produce like a 23 year old Chytil.

 

[QJL]

did this take into account like 3.4 dead cap recovered?
Also there are ways to squeeze another coupla mil

Yes Bern. Yes it did. It’s just the numbers on the books for next year.

I’m seeing people say it can be done but I’m not seeing any solutions besides major lowballs to everyone involved.

 

[HuGort]

Age 29
4 years remaining at $3.6M AAV
49 GP, 9G, 14A, 23P this season
Good third liner, penalty killing, leadership, locker room guy, Cup experience, intangibles etc etc.

Rangers desperately need the cap space in the offseason and getting rid of him might be the only way.

Habs may take him. We have like 20 million ish coming off our cap next season. What are your terms?

 

[bernmeister]

I'm not one of those people. I've been a proponent of Chytil for years. But Chytil showed more at age 18 than Kravtsov is showing at 23. I don't think the team plans to wait 5 years to see if a 28 year old Kravtsov can produce like a 23 year old Chytil.

Fair and enuf to deserve the like.
But we don't need 5 years to get high end results.
This is not a raw kid out of h.s. college only.
Krav has top level international competition under his belt
KK + Chytil further along, good chemistry not only with kid line
LaF right now obv has better w/kid line
they just need to give him correct line = Kred-Tro-Krav
that does not take 5 yrs
it takes GG admitting bern is right, solidify/stop juggling create correct reg lines
w/top mins this line Krav will be fine

 

[TGWL]

moving Z to W has zero impact on how they play offense. Like I said, it is as to defensive end and faceoffs where same handedness is a plus

We were better off dealing Reunanen at some point, which was not done
don't make that same mistake w/Robertson
deal him, unless return for Lindy s so high you go that way

peeps were wrong about Chytil
they will be wrong about Krav if he doesn't get a correct chance per bern


people were quick to throw Chytil

How much value do you think Reunanen ever had with us? Also, you do know we made a trade involving him, right?

 

[bernmeister]

How much value do you think Reunanen ever had with us? Also, you do know we made a trade involving him, right?

"How much value do you think Reunanen ever had"
Depending on the situation best case scenario to a club in need, a 3rd; realistically a 4th.

"Also, you do know we made a trade involving him"
Yes. At the very end when there was close to no team control, we traded him for a loser C.

I stand corrected, as I was technically inaccurate, but in my defense I obv meant to say we got nothing for him by not trading him earlier.

 

[HuGort]

Habs can take him on now if you give us a 2nd?

 

[LokiDog]

Honestly we’ll miss Goodie if we move him and the cap relief - while needed - isn’t significant enough to make it really appealing.

I’d be a lot more interest in putting tons of pressure on Kreider, Panarin or Trouba to waive and actually clearing meaningful cap space.

 

[theVladiator]

Honestly we’ll miss Goodie if we move him and the cap relief - while needed - isn’t significant enough to make it really appealing.

I’d be a lot more interest in putting tons of pressure on Kreider, Panarin or Trouba to waive and actually clearing meaningful cap space.

I would agree that getting rid of Goodrow may not clear up enough cap space for what I assume would be Rangers goals for this offseason (sign Chytil and Miller to long term deals, and bridge Lafreniere).

I also think that Panarin and Trouba are biggest cap drag players on the Rangers, and would be better candidates to send out of town.

 

[Mersss]

Habs may take him. We have like 20 million ish coming off our cap next season. What are your terms?

Habs don't need him. Especially if it's to help a team retaining all of their young kids.

if Rags want to get rid of him in order to sign KAM / Chytil / Laf who will all command expensive raises, it,ll cost them a 1st rd pick (see Monahan)

 

[crump]

No space on TO. I'm assuming that's why you want to trade him. As a hockey trade I would flip Kerfoot for him and a 2nd. Kerf comes off the payroll this year and can play with his Harvard buddy Vesey again for the playoffs. His length stings though. Otherwise ...

 

[bernmeister]

Honestly we’ll miss Goodie if we move him and the cap relief - while needed - isn’t significant enough to make it really appealing.

I’d be a lot more interest in putting tons of pressure on Kreider, Panarin or Trouba to waive and actually clearing meaningful cap space.

The other 2 yes, Kreider no.
Trouba is on the clock.
bread controls his own term throughout deal, but since it is obv he is not getting any offer, let alone a big $$$$ offer, it is in his best interest to waive sooner than later not at last minute.

 

[xsniper11x]

As some have already mentioned here, the Rangers should be able to fit everyone w/ RFA bridge deals. However, if we instead decide we want to give Miller and Chytil LT deals, then that might be worth parting w/ Goodrow for, as those are contracts that could be absolute steals in a few years. Chytil alone is in the top 25 in ES/60 this yr and is likely on a 75-80p pace if given top PP time.

 

[Cogburn]

The Canucks have the cap space here, so what would be included to get us interested?

 

[cwede]

... We were better off dealing Reunanen at some point, which was not done
don't make that same mistake w/Robertson ..

Reunanen was a never-was, who mostly only NYR fans were aware of
Robertson will be long-time D-man in NHL, following his strong WHL career
IMHO, people exaggerating the significance, of his sophomore season struggles, are missing the forest for the trees

and I've written this a lot lately, but
NYR recent string of seasons, with relatively few 'man games lost to injury', and without major injuries to core players,
have led may posters to undervalue the critical need for organizational depth
that can change in an eyeblink

look at Caps this season, very long stretches without Oshie, Backstrom, Carlson, Wilson
Avs missing Landeskog, Nicshsushkin, Manson, ...