Value of: Would anyone take Barclay Goodrow?

[Groo]

Honestly he does strike me as a Grier type at this point but the Sharks need to get worse, not better.

I wouldn't be all that concern as it looks like the Sharks will soon be parting with Meier and possibly Karlsson. Not to mention our goalie and any other bottom 6er that might draw an interest.

 

[GAGLine]

Haha I just want him not for his type but because he has a big contract that can possible facilitate a Meier move that may include a Kakko, Chytil, Lafreniere, or a 1st rd pick.

We won't be trading for Meier. He's going to get too much on his next contract.

 

[Djp]

Age 29
4 years remaining at $3.6M AAV
49 GP, 9G, 14A, 23P this season
Good third liner, penalty killing, leadership, locker room guy, Cup experience, intangibles etc etc.

Rangers desperately need the cap space in the offseason and getting rid of him might be the only way.

It will be ery hard without retention Or take back salary Or adding a sweetener.

look at cap space in the off season with teams snd sfter thry resign their RFAs. There isn’t going to be much space with good teams. Teams like chicsgo and Anaheim coukd take him…but ehy?

4 yrs is near impossible to move. Most teams don’t want that length with cap uncertainty.

in the off season you have players with 3 full years left who are looked to be moved who many would put in the same group such as Laughton from flyers and canaucks winger Garland and a few others.

he’s going to be 30 next year at some point so these years are 30-34 which is usually on the downside of a career. Do you want to pay that much for a 4Th liner?

 

[Brobust]

Leafs offer: Pierre Engvall (pending UFA) + 3rd

for

Barclay Goodrow (50% retention)

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I wouldn't be all that concern as it looks like the Sharks will soon be parting with Meier and possibly Karlsson. Not to mention our goalie and any other bottom 6er that might draw an interest.

They shouldn’t acquire Goodrow unless they’re paid to do so. Your original idea of getting Cuylle with him is the right track for the Sharks. I don’t think the Rangers have to do more than retain a bit to move Goodrow but he’s not a contract they should pick up on its own.

 

[smoneil]

Haha I just want him not for his type but because he has a big contract that can possible facilitate a Meier move that may include a Kakko, Chytil, Lafreniere, or a 1st rd pick.

There is no cap space to extend Meier, so there is no way the Rangers are trading high value pieces for what would be a pure rental. Not a knock on Meier at all--frankly, he's EXACTLY what the team needs. But he's likely priced (as he should be) at a value that reflects his RFA status and potential for extension, and that's not something the Rangers can do.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

There is no cap space to extend Meier, so there is no way the Rangers are trading high value pieces for what would be a pure rental. Not a knock on Meier at all--frankly, he's EXACTLY what the team needs. But he's likely priced (as he should be) at a value that reflects his RFA status and potential for extension, and that's not something the Rangers can do.

never say never, Meier is perfect for you guys, Go RANGERS!

 

[smoneil]

Leafs offer: Pierre Engvall (pending UFA) + 3rd

for

Barclay Goodrow (50% retention)

You can get Goodrow for free, or you can get Goodrow with retention for an actual asset. You can't get Goodrow with retention for free.

 

[Groo]

There is no cap space to extend Meier, so there is no way the Rangers are trading high value pieces for what would be a pure rental. Not a knock on Meier at all--frankly, he's EXACTLY what the team needs. But he's likely priced (as he should be) at a value that reflects his RFA status and potential for extension, and that's not something the Rangers can do.

Not to belabor the fact I'd like to see Cuylee. How about him and say and Othmann instead.
With Goodrow coming back as well

 

[GAGLine]

You can get Goodrow for free, or you can get Goodrow with retention for an actual asset. You can't get Goodrow with retention for free.

They can't get Goodrow with retention. We aren't retaining for 4 years.

Not to belabor the fact I'd like to see Cuylee. How about him and say and Othmann instead.
With Goodrow coming back as well

There's no deal to be made that involves Cuylle or Othmann.

 

[Groo]

They can't get Goodrow with retention. We aren't retaining for 4 years.


There's no deal to be made that involves Cuylle or Othmann.

Okay.

 

[smoneil]

never say never, Meier is perfect for you guys, Go RANGERS!

I agree, but I'm definitely saying Never. There is no way to make the math work. Most of the Rangers moderate to large contracts fall into three categories--Players we don't want to move (Zibanejad, Fox, Lindgren, Shesterkin, and Kreider/Panarin/Trocheck depending on who you talk to), players we CAN'T move due to cap hit or contract clauses (Trouba and Kreider/Panarin/Trocheck depending on who you talk to) and Barclay Goodrow. There is no combination of "the rest" (Chytil, Laf, Kakko, Vesey, K'Andre Miller, Blais, Kravtsov, Gauthier, Harpur, Schneider, and Halak) that adds up to cap space for Meier.

And there is no real life scenario where the Rangers would be able to move one or more of Trouba, Kreider, Trocheck, and Goodrow without taking salary back in the deal (assuming a trade partner could be found AND that these guys waived their respective NMCs/contract clauses).

So....yeah, probably never, despite how great a fit Meier would be.

Not to belabor the fact I'd like to see Cuylee. How about him and say and Othmann instead.
With Goodrow coming back as well

So now we're trading our top prospect, Cuylle, and Goodrow for a player we won't be able to re-sign? You have to consider the needs of the other team, man.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Goodrow (30% retention) for Pulju + 2024 2nd + 2025 3rd

Rangers can walk from Puljujarvi in the off season or offer a lower $$ vs the RFA qualifying offer. Nobody is giving him 3m next season.

 

[Brobust]

You can get Goodrow for free, or you can get Goodrow with retention for an actual asset. You can't get Goodrow with retention for free.

A 3rd plus a genuinely good 3rd liner is free?

Engvall is basically no different than Mikheyev.

 

[smoneil]

They can't get Goodrow with retention. We aren't retaining for 4 years.

My point was that, if the Rangers do their contract math, and end up only ~$2m short to get the three RFA's re-signed, I could see that being something they could do. With the cap going up in 2024, and the actual retention amount being small-ish (at the most it would be $1.8m), that's not a huge amount to eat for four years, particularly with so many pieces of the roster locked in, and the coming flexibility re: the clauses on Kreider and Trouba. If that kind of retention enables them to move Goodrow for a 2023 2nd+ or a 2024 1st rounder (and Goodrow at <2m would be an absolute steal for a contender)?

A 3rd plus a genuinely good 3rd liner [at 50% retention for four years ]is free?

Engvall is basically no different than Mikheyev.

Yes.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

A 3rd plus a genuinely good 3rd liner is free?

Engvall is basically no different than Mikheyev.

That's a fair offer without retention. 50% retention on the remaining contract, is least a 2nd in itself.

For me I offered a 2nd for 30%

 

[smoneil]

Goodrow (30% retention) for Pulju + 2024 2nd + 2025 3rd

Rangers can walk from Puljujarvi in the off season or offer a lower $$ vs the RFA qualifying offer. Nobody is giving him 3m next season.

I'd be tempted if you dropped the 2025 3rd and moved the 2nd to 2023, but the point would be moot. The Rangers want Goodrow this year for playoff run. They don't need the cap savings until the summer. This would almost certainly be an offseason deal.

 

[Dijock94]

Leafs are interested on paper, but the fact he is the odd man out for the Rangers who lack quality depth is a red flag

He’s great depth Rangers have a major cap crunch and him and Lindgren are the only moveable pieces. Lindgren is a top pair d man so Goodrow would be the preference to move first.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I'd be tempted if you dropped the 2025 3rd and moved the 2nd to 2023, but the point would be moot. The Rangers want Goodrow this year for playoff run. They don't need the cap savings until the summer. This would almost certainly be an offseason deal.

I'd do that. 2023 2nd + Puljujarvi for Goodrow (30% retained)

Not saying he's capable of filling Goodrow's shoes, but Puljujarvi has pretty decent D metrics and you'd get to see if a change of scenery can do him any good from deadline thru playoffs. Craps the bed, easy walk away and there's that cap space for next season.

For me the value is adding Goodrow experience and leadership. We need that in the room. I'd put that 2023 2nd on the table for it.

 

[Brobust]

That's a fair offer without retention. 50% retention on the remaining contract, is least a 2nd in itself.

For me I offered a 2nd for 30%

Underestimated Goodrow's salary and term. Sorry, I had a few drinks.

I would instead propose $1.6M retention and switch the 3rd with a 2nd.

I think this is reasonably fair as NYR get a player for this this season and playoffs and 2nd for the remaining term on Goodrow.

 

[Flan the incredible]

It will be ery hard without retention Or take back salary Or adding a sweetener.

look at cap space in the off season with teams snd sfter thry resign their RFAs. There isn’t going to be much space with good teams. Teams like chicsgo and Anaheim coukd take him…but ehy?

4 yrs is near impossible to move. Most teams don’t want that length with cap uncertainty.

in the off season you have players with 3 full years left who are looked to be moved who many would put in the same group such as Laughton from flyers and canaucks winger Garland and a few others.

he’s going to be 30 next year at some point so these years are 30-34 which is usually on the downside of a career. Do you want to pay that much for a 4Th liner?

This is a bad take. First Goodrow is not a 4th liner. If you think that please tell me how many 4th line players are going to score around 35-40 pts on the year? Zero.

Next Garland is nothing like Goodrow or Laughton. Goodrow can play center and makes over 2 million less and is currently 1 point less in scoring. I dont even understand why Philly would trade Laugton unless they got a very good return. Lastly the cap is going up and probably significantly in 2 years. 3.625 for a 3rd liner who can play anywhere in the lineup and would bleed for the team and is a great teammate is a solid deal.

The only reason the Rangers would trade him is to get cap space to sign their RFAs.

 

[smoneil]

He’s great depth Rangers have a major cap crunch and him and Lindgren are the only moveable pieces. Lindgren is a top pair d man so Goodrow would be the preference to move first.

He's really the only option. Lindgren manning the top pair for 3 million is an absolute steal. It'd cost twice that to replace him. Goodrow, meanwhile, can be replaced by several internal options (Cuylle, Othmann, etc). And even then, I think the Rangers will use bridge deals to try to see if they can make it work under the cap and still keep Goodrow. I don't think they'll have quite enough space, but they'll definitely try.

 

[GAGLine]

I'd do that. 2023 2nd + Puljujarvi for Goodrow (30% retained)

Not saying he's capable of filling Goodrow's shoes, but Puljujarvi has pretty decent D metrics and you'd get to see if a change of scenery can do him any good from deadline thru playoffs. Craps the bed, easy walk away and there's that cap space for next season.

For me the value is adding Goodrow experience and leadership. We need that in the room. I'd put that 2023 2nd on the table for it.

Did you not read the OP? The only reason we would trade Goodrow is for cap purposes. How does it help us to retain 30% of his contract, and take back a player with a 3 mil QO on top of that?

We are NOT retaining on Goodrow. 0%. If we need to move him and we can't find an acceptable trade for him, we can buy him out and save 3.8 mil next year.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The Rangers won’t retain cap for multiple years

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Did you not read the OP? The only reason we would trade Goodrow is for cap purposes. How does it help us to retain 30% of his contract, and take back a player with a 3 mil QO on top of that?

We are NOT retaining on Goodrow. 0%. If we need to move him and we can't find an acceptable trade for him, we can buy him out and save 3.8 mil next year.

I already commented on Puljujarvi and his contract status in my first offer.

I don't much care for how you come in here stating no retention like if you say it no other fans dare mention it. My offer gives NYR a 2nd and frees 2.5m of Goodrow cap hit. Don't like my offer, doesn't help moving 2.5m for an asset, oh well.