GDT: World Junior Championships 2013 - Discussion II

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm sure Biggs likes playing with him. He is strong like bull ... which leads me to the Nichushkin penalty today. He deserved the 5 minutes, but it didn't look like he even put much effort into the hit. He's a bull as well. Too bad I'd liked to see him again today.

That was a bad penalty by Nichuskin, not sure what he was thinking. That was an easy call given the standard here, it would have been a NHL penalty.

This kid is a monster, I liked his game since the under 17 tourney, he plays big in big games too. So he making that hit really helped Canada, on the scoreboard and not having to deal with him. If there is a suspension it will be a big lost to Russia.

 

[DD03]

This tournament for the longest time has been about the older players on the team. The fact Drouin got top line minutes speaks volumes about his play.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Not to be an azz, but you actually thought the Finns were contenders of winning the gold. The way you were posting about them, one would have thought they were the favourites.

Remember what I cautioned you about on pre tourney games, and Canada and Russia not showing their cards in pre tourney games so obcourse the Finns with home ice and ref advantage looked better than what they truly are. I said it to you, but you did not listen, so excuse me if I will stick with Drouin being better than Kane was at the same age than your evaluation. I don't recall too many 17 year olds outplaying 2 former #1 picks a year and 2 years older than they are, in a big game for a quarter final bye against the other junior powerhouse team since this tourney's inception.

BTW all 3 teams, not 5 my last count for you are still in contention for the Gold. USA, CAN and Russia.

Honestly...... You even quoted my post. I DID NOT say they were going to win, I simply said they could contend. One of the top 3 prospects in the world, another two 1st rounders this year, Granlund, goaltending depth, Olli Maata.... Yeah, they had the talent to compete for gold in this tournament, to anyone who follows these kids. They had a lot of 1st round talent, and goaltending depth. I'm not at all the only one around here who thought they would medal, or at least contend.

Second, You say we're pals, but really, you're the most condescending poster on this board, and to think that I appreciate the way you try to talk like you're a professor, and I'm some child, who should've just listened to your lessons? Get a life.

I've been around the game of hockey my whole life. I've played, coached, and managed. Been a trainer..... I watch games every day (when the NHL is on), and have been a season ticket holder in Windsor since before I can remember going to games. I don't need to wise up and listen to you. I'll take my educated opinion over your biased, agenda driven garbage ANY DAY.

KANE WAS BETTER. Anyone who saw Kane play in junior will attest to this. It's not even debatable. Not at all.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This tournament for the longest time has been about the older players on the team. The fact Drouin got top line minutes speaks volumes about his play.

I will add the fact he has looked better than 18 and 19 year olds, is just as impressive.

I would still go with Jones, and Mackinnon over him, but absolutely no one in this draft other than the 2 mentioned above.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

That was a bad penalty by Nichuskin, not sure what he was thinking. That was an easy call given the standard here, it would have been a NHL penalty.

This kid is a monster, I liked his game since the under 17 tourney, he plays big in big games too. So he making that hit really helped Canada, on the scoreboard and not having to deal with him. If there is a suspension it will be a big lost to Russia.

He couldn't tie Tolchynski's skates at that tournament. The little guy was the better player by a mile.

 

[DD03]

I will add the fact he has looked better than 18 and 19 year olds, is just as impressive.

I would still go with Jones, and Mackinnon over him, but absolutely no one in this draft other than the 2 mentioned above.

He's a dynamic offensive talent, that's for sure. But I'd take Barkov for the Leafs over Drouin. More of a team need there, but then again, in the draft, always gotta go with BPA.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Barkov's all around game is 10x > than Drouin's. Barkov is about as close to a complete forward as you'll find at 17 years old. Offense, defensive game, instincts, IQ, leadership.

I love Drouin, but he offers little outside of his offense, although that's not to say he doesn't play in his own zone, just not on Barkov's level.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

He's a dynamic offensive talent, that's for sure. But I'd take Barkov for the Leafs over Drouin. More of a team need there, but then again, in the draft, always gotta go with BPA.

I would go Monahan before Barkov, Canada's depth at C this year was the only factor why we didn't see him this year. He's a great player in his own right.

BTW For those that watched Drouin this tourney, his defensive game has been very good and not unnoticed by this poster, he's wrongly typecast as just an offensive player.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I would go Monahan before Barkov, Canada's depth at C this year was the only factor why we didn't see him this year. He's a great player in his own right.

You would take Drouin over Kane... That says it all.

 

[DD03]

I would go Monahan before Barkov, Canada's depth at C this year was the only factor why we didn't see him this year. He's a great player in his own right.

You make it sound like Monahan was the last player cut. He wasn't. Wasn't even close. Something was missing.

 

[CBJx614]

Maybe, but a good team should be able to at least make it to the quarters with 1 injury, look at the Swedes and their injuries.

Canada without Jenner, and other suspensions. BTW Jenner was a force defensively today, people who said he was a bit player should watch his game today, there is more to this game than compiling useless points.

This is what I've been trying to tell people, just because someone doesn't put up 100pts doesn't make them a top prospect, but his defensive play and his motor boost him into the top 20. Is Canada good without him? Yes, but they're a whole different beast with him out there.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You make it sound like Monahan was the last player cut. He wasn't. Wasn't even close. Something was missing.

He was one of the last cuts, really who is he going to replace. RNH, Strome, Jenner, Mackinnon, Mcneil? We have centres playing wing because we are so strong up the middle.

You think Barkov could crack this lineup?

 

[JMcLeaf]

Can the IIHF do anything if a player throws a dirty hit in the gold or bronze medal game? The player would be kicked out of the game, but would there be any further discipline?

 

[hockeygeek]

You make it sound like Monahan was the last player cut. He wasn't. Wasn't even close. Something was missing.

He's only 17. 3 centres on the team would potentially be nhl players if not for the lockout. Not a hard cut to make. Why waste his time

 

[ErnieLeafs]

He was one of the last cuts, really who is he going to replace. RNH, Strome, Jenner, Mackinnon, Mcneil? We have centres playing wing because we are so strong up the middle.

You think Barkov could crack this lineup?

Barkov EASILY beats out Jenner and McNeil.

Just Stop.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This is what I've been trying to tell people, just because someone doesn't put up 100pts doesn't make them a top prospect, but his defensive play and his motor boost him into the top 20. Is Canada good without him? Yes, but they're a whole different beast with him out there.

I hear you, people are so fixated with points, they will misdirect, throw mud on the wall by lumping a stats discussion into a true hockey discussion of a worth of a player. I don't need to compare Alex Semin's 40 goals to Toews 30 to know Toews is 10x the player Semin is.

Jenner was a key player today, he is to a lesser degree a Mike Richards maybe. Maybe the Kane and Gally fans will brighten up and realize evaluating hockey players is not a simple task of posting stats from hockey db.

 

[DD03]

He was one of the last cuts, really who is he going to replace. RNH, Strome, Jenner, Mackinnon, Mcneil? We have centres playing wing because we are so strong up the middle.

You think Barkov could crack this lineup?

Over McNeil? Yes.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This is what I've been trying to tell people, just because someone doesn't put up 100pts doesn't make them a top prospect, but his defensive play and his motor boost him into the top 20. Is Canada good without him? Yes, but they're a whole different beast with him out there.

Look at this post, really does the poster realize you need 3rd and 4th line Centers to round off a team? What of the dimmer posts I have read in awhile. Barkov can kill penalties, who would have knew, he was practically invisible on Finland, when you can't make a dent in that team. How can you make a contribution on Team Canada. lol

Case in point:

Barkov EASILY beats out Jenner and McNeil.

Just Stop.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Barkov EASILY beats out Jenner and McNeil.

Just Stop.

They do different jobs really.

You can't ask a 17 year old Barkov to kill penalties, Block shots, And be an aggressive forechecker like Jenner and McNeil.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Over McNeil? Yes.

Barkov can't do the things Jenner and Mcneil can, did you forget the key penalty killing he did against the USA. Barkov is not better than RNH, Strome, or Mackinnon. The only place he would have made it is a top 6 fwd. Still he was invisible this tourney from what I saw and as evidenced of the ousting of the overrated Finns. There is no basis to your argument.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I'm not in the minority thinking Barkov makes this team, but keep going.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

They do different jobs really.

You can't ask a 17 year old Barkov to kill penalties, Block shots, And be an aggressive forechecker like Jenner and McNeil.

Finally a voice of reason.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm not in the minority thinking Barkov makes this team, but keep going.

That's highly debatable.

Proof is in the pudding, you said the Finns had the talent to contend, apparently not.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Barkov can't do the things Jenner and Mcneil can, did you forget the key penalty killing he did against the USA. Barkov is not better than RNH, Strome, or Mackinnon. The only place he would have made it is a top 6 fwd. Still he was invisible this tourney from what I saw and as evidenced of the ousting of the overrated Finns. There is no basis to your argument.

Lol at Barkov being invisable. You may have watched ONE game, and even then, your evaluation is agenda driven. Everyone knows this.

If you watched Finland, you would probably not been a hypocrite, and say there's more than points that dictate one's impact.

Hillarious.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

That's highly debatable.

Proof is in the pudding, you said the Finns had the talent to contend, apparently not.

They underachieved. Happens all the time. Young team who will bring this lesson withthem next year.

You've got to be the biggest, most dodging biggot on this board. Last year it was the character of those lying Russians, this year it's the Finns.