Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 8)
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ohloutsider
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I agree with HL on this one. Neither of the 2 rookie goalies have seen any junior action. Let them play some JRB and see where they stand then. Not a go year so burning an extra card on a goalie after January won't be an issue. You can still give them a few games in December to see which one of the 3 is best with as others have said, hopefully 1 of the rookies.
dont argue you, just the guy that is the backup really isnt that good? guys come in from midget all the time. why is it an issue now?
How many jr b games has Costanzo played? Medina ,Day, Oke? List goes on with goalies that develop into starters that playes 0 jr b games
Flaws in your argument include both Oke and Medina are or were in Medina's case both American who can't play Junior B in Ontario till age 18 or older definitely not at 16.
As well Costanzo was drafted in the 2nd round by Niagara and Day was drafted in the 3rd by Flint big difference Froggett drafted in the 6th last year and Frasca the same year in the 11th round, 222 o/a.
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Well this year they have time to figure it out. Why shell shock a kid when you can ease him in gently? By January I would not be surprised if Frogget is the backup sitting on the bench. Just don't want another Baier (sp) situation.
they just have to lean in and go. its not a 'go for it' year, just take the hit, let the kid play every 4th game and when january comes, he may have a better feel for the league then not. its worked out for a ton of u18 kids in the past, why does frogget need kid gloves?
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There are merits to your argument but for me I have no faith anyone in the Spits staff can judge an unproven goalie. Why not let them play in a lower league and have Leighton watch them for a few games.
i just dont see the need to keep watching, you have watch him for 18 months since the draft, you either know the player or you dont
ohloutsider
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My problem is he did not play in a Junior League last year. Hard to base a decision on midget play. Yes lots of kids step from midget right into the O but him not doing that last year I think has/will hurt him. Them clinging to Onuska last year stopped the normal flow of goalie progression. I'm really hoping we see him in the Spits net soon. Just gun shy after the Baier hype.
baier played jr c and then was lights out on a good jr b team, i remember seeing him. look at his numbers in jr b. the stats showed he had potential, but the eyes said he was way too slow and protected by a good team, no different then the grimes kid in guelph a few years ago. baier never even played u18.
success at jr b isnt worth anything if the kid has zero skill, just as success at u18 is worth alot if the kid has something.
OHLTG
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Let's assume Michelone plays until Christmas. That gives Froggett/Frasca 20(ish) games at Jr B level to work on their game. At Christmas, the team trades Michelone for pick(s), brings someone up, and we push forward. Maybe it happens even sooner than that, too.
"Froggett and Dean amongst the cuts tonight after the game,I expect both back next year and making the team. " Sept 3, 2022 "What we could see is a 23 man roster with 2 OA goalies plus a backup I like Froggett,or Branton who is 17,and Downey moved." I guess that didn't age well HL. Last year a couple of you were making a case for him to make the team now he can't play till he is 18 or so cuz he is a 6th round pick? You even called him the best goaltending prospect since Mikey. Now in his draft year and needs jr b experience first.
OHLTG
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Sorry, where did HL say he can't play til he's 18? I'm just reading the convo and can't find it.
Well Downey was moved,didn't expect it then,Costanzo comes in and for a 4th round, turns out to be the 5th best goalie in the league in save per centage and goals against,I expected Froggett to play B last year but didn't, stand by my preview of best
prospect drafted since Dipietro, but he needs to play and right now Costanzo is the guy,I see no problem with him getting significant ice team in B,instead of occasional ice time here till we see how things work out.
It's okay for changes to occur unexpectedly ie trade and success with Costanzo, can't be perfect like you.
Seriously your taking that literally? Making a point how Day/ Oke were 2nd/ 3rd round picks and Froggett was a 6th round that's why for some reason he needs jr B experience. Nothing about how they made ohl as 16 yr olds and Froggett is now 17. Also comparing a 6th rounded with an 11th rounder but I can't compare a 6 th with a 3rd rounder. You both wanted him on the team as a 16yr old now a year later he needs development first.
OHLTG
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Sorry, I must have missed the "lol", "j/k", or "
" in there. I go by what I read.Right now, yes. Christopoulos is out until mid-Oct because of surgery so Jodoin has an opening to play.
I would have been fine with him as a back-up to Onuska last season. He did very well in camp and a veteran/rookie duo is not a bad idea. When they got Costanzo, that bumped everyone down a peg in the depth charts. This season, yes, I think he earned the backup spot. However, if Michelone is going to make the club as back-up, send Froggett down to Jr B to get the ice time. That's not a bad secondary plan.
Is rich coming from you the perfect comment. Smh I'm literally lol at you making that comment. The Downey/ Costanzo situation has nothing to do with the discussion of Froggett. So it would be ok for a 16yr old to play sparingly but if the same 17yr old does it it bad for his developement. You both literally wanted him on the team as a 16 yr old.
That's where your losing me. I get Joey bumping him down,, but now Joey is number 1 why not run your 71yr old as backup. You get to train him, practice with ohlers and monitor his playing time. If Joey gets hurt you call up Michelone , who is getting lots of icetime to take the lumps. Thats also a good secondary plan. Will Froggett even sign in Lasalle or play in London were you can'control his development..Sorry, I must have missed the "lol", "j/k", or "
Right now, yes. Christopoulos is out until mid-Oct because of surgery so Jodoin has an opening to play.
I would have been fine with him as a back-up to Onuska last season. He did very well in camp and a veteran/rookie duo is not a bad idea. When they got Costanzo, that bumped everyone down a peg in the depth charts. This season, yes, I think he earned the backup spot. However, if Michelone is going to make the club as back-up, send Froggett down to Jr B to get the ice time. That's not a bad secondary plan.
OHLTG
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I think we're on similar pages here. I've said for a while now that Froggett had a great camp and should have the backup spot this season. However, the team seems to like Michelone's veteran presence or something, at least for the time being. So if they're going to have Costanzo/Michelone, the best option is for Froggett to get his ice time in Jr B. I've heard nothing from the team in regards to playing spot so can't answer the final comment there.
He can't sign in LA Salle because his rights and also his committment to play is in London Jr B.
We also don't know what his agent might want to sign with Windsor with US college overtures.
Btw and I only point out things when it's done to me Froggett isn't 71 years ago as u posted above lol.
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