Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 8)

[punch1943]

I think he will report.

Bowler's phone must be working! 2 OA's already moved this year!

Sounds as if the import they drafted this year is coming so the Import situation is cleared up. That leaves them with 4 O/A and hopefully they will be able to get another pick for one if them. Soblev was one of our better D but not a top pairing guy. Still a long way to go until training camp.

 

[OHL4Life]

Sounds as if the import they drafted this year is coming so the Import situation is cleared up. That leaves them with 4 O/A and hopefully they will be able to get another pick for one if them. Soblev was one of our better D but not a top pairing guy. Still a long way to go until training camp.

the new import is not as good as the last import

 

[Teflon]

I guess BB is still ok with poor D! Unless he was for sure gone i dont like it. He added some grit back there and wasnt afraid of hitting or mixing it up. THIS TEAM NEEDS GRIT!!! Im not sure what he doesn’t understand. If hes going to rebuild you gotta be able to protect yourself, if your gonna go partial rebuild you need to be hard to play against. I mist be missing something…

 

[OHL4Life]

I guess BB is still ok with poor D! Unless he was for sure gone i dont like it. He added some grit back there and wasnt afraid of hitting or mixing it up. THIS TEAM NEEDS GRIT!!! Im not sure what he doesn’t understand. If hes going to rebuild you gotta be able to protect yourself, if your gonna go partial rebuild you need to be hard to play against. I mist be missing something…

they will not be a top of the conference team this year, so why not start to get picks back and retool sooner vs playing it out and causing 5/6 years of mediocre results like the last time

 

[ohloutsider]

I guess BB is still ok with poor D! Unless he was for sure gone i dont like it. He added some grit back there and wasnt afraid of hitting or mixing it up. THIS TEAM NEEDS GRIT!!! Im not sure what he doesn’t understand. If hes going to rebuild you gotta be able to protect yourself, if your gonna go partial rebuild you need to be hard to play against. I mist be missing something…

Not going to be surprised if Jodoin is still here this year. He would be valuable as a "protector" and a steady bottom 6 D. If one of the 3 other OA's get moved I can see that happening. As noted earlier I believe at least one of them will be moved. This year is all about building the pick bank.

 

[OHLTG]

If we get Christo, Peer, and Jodoin, I won't be upset. That's a solid trio.

 

[OHLTG]

The conditional picks are based on Sobolev playing one game for Nia, per Windsor Star.

Also... Eichler is "100% coming", per Bowler.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

I guess BB is still ok with poor D! Unless he was for sure gone i dont like it. He added some grit back there and wasnt afraid of hitting or mixing it up. THIS TEAM NEEDS GRIT!!! Im not sure what he doesn’t understand. If hes going to rebuild you gotta be able to protect yourself, if your gonna go partial rebuild you need to be hard to play against. I mist be missing something…

Sobolev wouldn't have changed the D that much. They still weren't a good D last year with him playing. The bigger thing is the import drafting overall.

Sobolev 110 regular season games 28 playoff
Baisov 29 reg 7 playoff
Hebek 28 reg

Sobolev obviously better of the 3 but the intention wasn't to have him be moved for a 15th rounder. The hope was he would be signed and play at a higher level.

We will see what this import player can do but the track record of Bowler isn't good.

 

[OHL4Life]

Sobolev wouldn't have changed the D that much. They still weren't a good D last year with him playing. The bigger thing is the import drafting overall.

Sobolev 110 regular season games 28 playoff
Baisov 29 reg 7 playoff
Hebek 28 reg

Sobolev obviously better of the 3 but the intention wasn't to have him be moved for a 15th rounder. The hope was he would be signed and play at a higher level.

We will see what this import player can do but the track record of Bowler isn't good.

condifitonal 15th, but if he goes to niagara itll be a 4th and 8th and i would bet he goes, he isn't good enough to play pro in north america. did pretty well considering he caries both the overage and import tag.

The conditional picks are based on Sobolev playing one game for Nia, per Windsor Star.

Also... Eichler is "100% coming", per Bowler.

hes not good at all. hebek is better.

 

[Cherrydon]

Agreed our import picks have not blossomed in years. DIONICIO is here by trade and not drafted by us. Hopefully our Euro Scouts if we have any, improve. Maybe German Spitfire should be hired . Seems to grasp the import players way better than most.

 

[OHL4Life]

Agreed our import picks have not blossomed in years. DIONICIO is here by trade and not drafted by us. Hopefully our Euro Scouts if we have any, improve. Maybe German Spitfire should be hired . Seems to grasp the import players way better than most.

windsor doesnt have any scouts in europe, its agents that run things and managers watch the players via video. the better relationship with european agents, the better players you get. look at london, as soon as the russia pipeline dries up, they dont get impact import players, they have to just guess like most do.

 

[windsor7]

windsor doesnt have any scouts in europe, its agents that run things and managers watch the players via video. the better relationship with european agents, the better players you get. look at london, as soon as the russia pipeline dries up, they dont get impact import players, they have to just guess like most do.

No surprise

 

[OHL4Life]

No surprise

no teams in the ohl have scouts in europe.

 

[Cherrydon]

I didn't think for a second we actually had euro scouts on the payroll at this level, one would think OHL teams could combine together to purchase scouting reports as a group from the professionals. . Selected "video highlights " from a players agent is as bad as buying swampland.

 

[Teflon]

The best pipeline for young euro info lies with pro connections and their scouts. Spits dont have that connection at all. Even with it, it can be a crap shoot but they help. The last regime had some connections. Its one more downfall in this front office.

I agree you likely start the retool now, that said a solid D and some older players with grit help you when your young and retooling. It adds a layer of comfort for younger guys. Thats something that hasnt changed.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Agreed our import picks have not blossomed in years. DIONICIO is here by trade and not drafted by us. Hopefully our Euro Scouts if we have any, improve. Maybe German Spitfire should be hired . Seems to grasp the import players way better than most.

It would be very sad if I had a better grasp on the import draft than the entire organization. In this case though, it could very well be true.

I think the team should always swing for the fences in the Import draft. It’s not a bad thing to have only one import on the roster, if anything it gives the team more flexibility come the deadline.

I love how Barrie has drafted in the past 3 years. They don’t care if the kid reports right away, they swing for the fences on talent, and if that kid comes over (THEY HAVE FOR THEM) they have some STUD‘s that can be flipped for assets down the line.

Artur Cholach (Their version of Sobolev, NHL draft pick)

Oskar Olaufsson (1st round NHL draft pick, commited shortly after, traded for a haul of picks)

Eduard Sale (Didn’t report the first year, but held his rights and they got a first round NHL talent)

Michael Brandsegg Nygard (First round NHL talent, isn’t going to report this year, but after he gets drafted who knows where he goes?)

Endo Meier (Could be a good junior player, has produced at every level he has played, but not sure how his game will translate over here)

A thing a lot of people forget with imports, is that most of them want to spend their draft season in their home country, but after getting drafted, the NHL team has HUGE pull in where they’ll play.

Most of the time, they’ll want them in North America, you might only get them for that one season post draft given how the CHL/NHL agreement works with imports but it’s a great, worthwhile risk to take, escpecially with how diluted the talent pool has become in the import draft with Russian and Belarusian talents unable to be selected.
It’s much better than bringing in a Hebek, or an Eichler who’ll be screwed over come the OHL deadline when the team tells them to pack their bags when a shiny new toy comes along, or the team decides to reroll The dice come the next import draft.

 

[Cherrydon]

As always I greatly appreciate your input!! Now I see why with your position.

 

[OHL4Life]

I didn't think for a second we actually had euro scouts on the payroll at this level, one would think OHL teams could combine together to purchase scouting reports as a group from the professionals. . Selected "video highlights " from a players agent is as bad as buying swampland.

they don’t sure highlight clips, they use InStat that has a full years worth of video on players. you could watch every shift of a players season.

what would make you think they’d watch highlight videos?

 

[Cherrydon]

Videos that are mainly uploaded by the player or players agent. Instat does not go around filming minor hockey games around the world recording every shift of every player as you suggest.

 

[OHL4Life]

Videos that are mainly uploaded by the player or players agent. Instat does not go around filming minor hockey games around the world recording every shift of every player as you suggest.

InStat doesn’t film Anyone, they partner with leagues and get access to video and use AI and computers to ‘cut shifts’. I still have access to my InStat account, I can watch as much of a player as I want. There are 40 or so games of the kid the spits just drafted, they have all the u17 and U18 international tournaments. have you ever had an account? artificial intelligence identifies who’s on the ice and sorts them. before it was basically only europe but with Hudl buying it they actually have very good North American coverage of games now.

Hudl

 

[Cherrydon]

Yes. It is a absolutley great site for statistics and analysis. I had a trial subscription but I am not a scout and didn't carry on with it. $36:us a month back then. TMI . All I was saying is that not every shift of every game is available. Other than televised games, the players must upload videos. None negative to their own good. Yes they have agreements with many leagues and have extensive coverage for those leagues like the OHJL now. It is still like watching the NHL draft coverage. The clips are always fantastic on draft day. Everyone looks like the next star.

 

[hockeylegend11]

If we get Christo, Peer, and Jodoin, I won't be upset. That's a solid trio.

I would prefer Christo,Maillet and Jodoin,not that I don't like Peer,just feel Maillet more durable then Peer,showed great chemistry with Greentree,better defensively.
Like I wrote I like Peer alot and if Windsor had a 19 year old like Sobolev, I would keep the 3 forwards, (Peer,Maillet and Christo).
I wonder if Windsor will try and get Christo's brother from NBay to be the 3rd OA,would work for me.

 

[hockeylegend11]

The best pipeline for young euro info lies with pro connections and their scouts. Spits dont have that connection at all. Even with it, it can be a crap shoot but they help. The last regime had some connections. Its one more downfall in this front office.

I agree you likely start the retool now, that said a solid D and some older players with grit help you when your young and retooling. It adds a layer of comfort for younger guys. Thats something that hasnt changed.

Interesting the last Euro born player in the OHL to win a Mem Cup played for Windsor and that was in 2017,actually 3 of them Sergachev,Julius Nattien and Sean Day who was born in Belgium.
Since 2009 the Spits have had 5 Euro born players win Memorial Cups,Loktionov in 09,Grubauer in 2010,and the 3 from 2017 most of any team in the OHL in the last 14 years.

 

[ohloutsider]

Interesting the last Euro born player in the OHL to win a Mem Cup played for Windsor and that was in 2017,actually 3 of them Sergachev,Julius Nattien and Sean Day who was born in Belgium.
Since 2009 the Spits have had 5 Euro born players win Memorial Cups,Loktionov in 09,Grubauer in 2010,and the 3 from 2017 most of any team in the OHL in the last 14 years.

The comment was about drafting Euro players. How many of the players you list were actually drafted by the Spits? Without connections to NHL teams or high-end European agents it is very difficult to have success in the Euro draft. With the present ban it makes it even more difficult. Bowler not being overly connected will not help. Smartest move on his part ( as Germanspitfire suggested) is to pick the very best player on the board with a hope they may report or at least block others from picking that player. Don't think the Spits can rely on the Euro draft to fill their roster.

 

[Teflon]

Interesting the last Euro born player in the OHL to win a Mem Cup played for Windsor and that was in 2017,actually 3 of them Sergachev,Julius Nattien and Sean Day who was born in Belgium.
Since 2009 the Spits have had 5 Euro born players win Memorial Cups,Loktionov in 09,Grubauer in 2010,and the 3 from 2017 most of any team in the OHL in the last 14 years.

Right. As i said the last regime had some connections?!?! Savages purchase took place in 2019. Since then when BB became GM how have they made out???