Proposal: Win nyr

[Kaapo Cabana]

Chevy sticking to the guns out weighs him blinking and taking a lesser deal. Future RFA's from around the league/Jets know that you can't have these players dictate what they want to do on their terms. It has to be done on the teams terms.

I have no problem letting him rot for the next 4 years. I'd rather that than trade him to the vultures like I see in these threads.

so you would rather have literally nothing for losing Trouba than get a less than equal value return?

good luck with that

 

[Gump Hasek]

So since literally nobody will meet those demands and, according to you, Chevy won't budge on his ask, what do you expect to happen? You think Trouba will just take it on the chin?

Do you guys really want to pay Trouba 6M/year to play on his off side, or on the third pairing, especially when you already have 3 defensemen making 5.5M+?

I expect he'll eventually sign a deal and either play for Winnipeg or be traded, or they will let him sit out. Signing him to a deal with a limited NTC opens up the number of available suitors vs. having the agent choose a few at current. The Jets will force a scenario that allows them to trade him on their own terms, not Overhardt's.

Their D expense isn't all that bad considering that Enstrom comes off the books in another year, and that they've $10 million in open cap this season and $24 million open for next season.

 

[Saidin]

so you would rather have literally nothing for losing Trouba than get a less than equal value return?

good luck with that

Not sure what you mean by 'literally nothing'. If Trouba sits out for the next 5 years, yes we get 'literally nothing'. Or we got a player that does decide to play with us (win) or a trade at our terms (win). Not yours.

Simple as that.

 

[cneely]

Can't see where Zucc fits in with Winnipeg. Not that he's not a great player, and they would certainly likely find a spot for him in the top 6, it's just that he's not really a need. From the Jets perspective, they would likely prefer you take him out and substitute a better D man.

What sort of add would be required to get McD? If it's someone like Connor, Ehlers, forget it. If we're talking Lemieux, Dano... maybe.

 

[Trxjw]

Can't see where Zucc fits in with Winnipeg. Not that he's not a great player, and they would certainly likely find a spot for him in the top 6, it's just that he's not really a need. From the Jets perspective, they would likely prefer you take him out and substitute a better D man.

What sort of add would be required to get McD? If it's someone like Connor, Ehlers, forget it. If we're talking Lemieux, Dano... maybe.

Then you can forget it. Rangers have no incentive to trade McDonagh unless it's an overpayment.

 

[cneely]

Then you can forget it. Rangers have no incentive to trade McDonagh unless it's an overpayment.

yeah, doesn't really seem to be a fit here.

 

[aufheben]

How many times do Jets fans need to tell you/us that they don't need wingers?

 

[haveandare]

Don't be upset. You may note that several Winnipeg fans have all said McD.

We can throw in Burmistrov and take back Skjei then.

Happy?

McD is better than Trouba himself and isn't demanding a trade out of his team and refusing to sign. The value is way off on Trouba for McD.

 

[haveandare]

How many times do Jets fans need to tell you/us that they don't need wingers?

Have you read the stuff some say they want in the Trouba thread? Can't really take fans' opinions at face value and not discuss anything that they say they don't want. There are people saying Trouba for a top pairing D with different handedness, for a "young proven 1C"... this is a guy who isn't a first pairing player on his own team and who isn't signed and is a demanding a trade. Fans want the world, but nobody is going to give the team that.

 

[Hunter368]

McD is better than Trouba himself and isn't demanding a trade out of his team and refusing to sign. The value is way off on Trouba for McD.

I think his point was outside McD there is nothing of interest that would fill a need for us (he wasn't comparing values) from the Rangers. So any trade talks with Rangers are a moot point unless it involves McD.....anything else is pointless to us. I see no trade here unless Josh M steals the lhd top 4 job and Chevy adjusts his demands.

 

[aufheben]

Have you read the stuff some say they want in the Trouba thread? Can't really take fans' opinions at face value and not discuss anything that they say they don't want. There are people saying Trouba for a top pairing D with different handedness, for a "young proven 1C"... this is a guy who isn't a first pairing player on his own team and who isn't signed and is a demanding a trade. Fans want the world, but nobody is going to give the team that.

But just a brief look at their depth chart makes it obvious what the team needs. It's not an opinion that they're strong at wing and weak at the left side of their defense. I don't understand the adamancy towards this. Skjei isn't good enough, Zuccarello doesn't fill any need, that's why you have people asking for McDonagh. Trouba helps the Rangers out 10x more than Zuccarello helps the Jets.

 

[Hunter368]

But just a brief look at their depth chart makes it obvious what the team needs. It's not an opinion that they're strong at wing and weak at the left side of their defense. I don't understand the adamancy towards this. Skjei isn't good enough, Zuccarello doesn't fill any need, that's why you have people asking for McDonagh. Trouba helps the Rangers out 10x more than Zuccarello helps the Jets.

You are correct. Zuc is a good player, just fills no need

 

[aufheben]

Honestly if it had to be McDonagh I'm not sure if I would say no..

 

[One Winged Angel]

This was your first post in the thread:



No counter to the meaningless trade chatter that comprises all of the threads in this forum, but rather, an insult. Nice flame job, troll.

Yes, as in relax, it's not that serious. You got intense over something you have little to no say in.

I'm not the one taking this to extremes and putting words in people's mouths, that's you. You're angry because I told you to stop acting like you're Chevy, because you're not.

Your word (and mine as well, for that matter) means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. If that's "insulting" and "flaming" to you, then you need to take a step back and re-evaluate things.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Yes, as in relax, it's not that serious. You got intense over something you have little to no say in.

I'm not the one taking this to extremes and putting words in people's mouths, that's you. You're angry because I told you to stop acting like you're Chevy, because you're not.

Your word (and mine as well, for that matter) means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. If that's "insulting" and "flaming" to you, then you need to take a step back and re-evaluate things.

You led with insults, and apparently wish to continue to argue. You've also read emotion into my words that don't exist in real life; I am literally the most chill dude you'd ever meet and have little interest in carrying on a conversation with someone that obviously is unable to think rationally. As near as I can tell, it bothered you to see that others don't perhaps think as highly of your players as do you; maybe you'd should stick to the NYR board where you can preach to the choir.

PS: Don't bother replying; I won't see it.

 

[Stej]

BINGO!!! we have a winner.

You can't dictate terms when you have no leverage.

Someone should tell that to Trouba and Overhardt.

 

[jay from jersey]

,,

You led with insults, and apparently wish to continue to argue. You've also read emotion into my words that don't exist in real life; I am literally the most chill dude you'd ever meet and have little interest in carrying on a conversation with someone that obviously is unable to think rationally. As near as I can tell, it bothered you to see that others don't perhaps think as highly of your players as do you; maybe you'd should stick to the NYR board where you can preach to the choir.

PS: Don't bother replying; I won't see it.

OR don't know much about their players. skjei was excellent in the playoffs against Pittsburg last year. he expects to be a top 4 player this year. His upside is a # 2 defenseman with unbelievable skating ability al la McDonaugh. That was the type of player most WIN fans said they wanted in return. Trouba has potential to be a # 1 but he is not their yet either. Skjei is on ELC,exempt from expansion draft, big,mobile, lots of potential, and plays LD. he is also a month younger then trouba. He probably could have played the entire year last year but NYR was jammed on the left with McD, staal, and yandle. Zuc was added to bridge the gap in value. I really wish Peg fans knew more about skjei because this is a trade that i believe benefits both teams. good old fashioned hockey trade. I think this offer would peak chevy's interest but whose to say Gorts even offers that much. who knows?

On a side note, I think the jets would love to have stepan if he was available. I however do not want him moved like bern and others.. He has tremendous chemistry with wheeler going back to Junior days (olympic). But with scheif and little, it is not a pressing priority........

Maybe trouba little for stepan, skjei, + pick??? could get interesting

 

[McDLT]

You led with insults, and apparently wish to continue to argue. You've also read emotion into my words that don't exist in real life; I am literally the most chill dude you'd ever meet and have little interest in carrying on a conversation with someone that obviously is unable to think rationally. As near as I can tell, it bothered you to see that others don't perhaps think as highly of your players as do you; maybe you'd should stick to the NYR board where you can preach to the choir.

PS: Don't bother replying; I won't see it.

Making jets fans look bad. I'm sorry everyone.

 

[Maukkis]

OR don't know much about their players. skjei was excellent in the playoffs against Pittsburg last year. he expects to be a top 4 player this year. His upside is a # 2 defenseman with unbelievable skating ability al la McDonaugh. That was the type of player most WIN fans said they wanted in return. Trouba has potential to be a # 1 but he is not their yet either. Skjei is on ELC,exempt from expansion draft, big,mobile, lots of potential, and plays LD. he is also a month younger then trouba. He probably could have played the entire year last year but NYR was jammed on the left with McD, staal, and yandle. Zuc was added to bridge the gap in value. I really wish Peg fans knew more about skjei because this is a trade that i believe benefits both teams. good old fashioned hockey trade. I think this offer would peak chevy's interest but whose to say Gorts even offers that much. who knows?

On a side note, I think the jets would love to have stepan if he was available. I however do not want him moved like bern and others.. He has tremendous chemistry with wheeler going back to Junior days (olympic). But with scheif and little, it is not a pressing priority........

Maybe trouba little for stepan, skjei, + pick??? could get interesting

No way. Moving Little for Stepan would be counter-productive, and it ties a lot of money to our center core in the future (over 17 million for the next four years in total). Then we're left with Trouba and Skjei again. Just no.

I know it's more likely a no deal than a deal, but if it's the latter, only McDonagh makes sense for us, unless other deals go through.

 

[broc]

so you would rather have literally nothing for losing Trouba than get a less than equal value return?

good luck with that

Name the last time- or ANY time- a player has sat out for 4 years... or even 2 years from a dispute.

Probably not even in any other sport either.

So no, we won't ever "risk losing Trouba for nothing", because that sort of thing doesn't happen.

 

[Le Golie]

Look at the RHD partners he's been dragging around the past few seasons: Girardi and, occasionally, Dan Boyle. Give him a decent (not all-star) partner full-time (Klein has only been paired with him briefly) and he's the same guy he was "a few seasons ago."

McDonagh was awful at the World Cup, and he had a good partner.

 

[broc]

So since literally nobody will meet those demands and, according to you, Chevy won't budge on his ask, what do you expect to happen? You think Trouba will just take it on the chin?

Do you guys really want to pay Trouba 6M/year to play on his off side, or on the third pairing, especially when you already have 3 defensemen making 5.5M+?

Time is not on your side, and every other team knows this. Nobody is going to pay the price you think Trouba is worth now when they can just wait it out. The only way something happens now is if Chevy blinks.

His value won't go up unless he plays, and he won't play until he has a contract. Each passing day the value drops.

tick tock

Lol, this post is full of so much fail.

A) "Will Trouba take it on the chin? What do we think will happen?"

Well, Droiun, a highly considered and highly valued young player tried to demand a trade, but Stevie Y (a guy with much less GM experience) didn't bite, didn't blink, and drouin was basically forced to make nice and play once he saw HE HAD NO LEVERAGE. So I don't know- and neither did Stevie Y then, nor Cheveldayoff now- why anyone thinks Trouba or Drouin, or some other GM is going to have leverage. They don't. Chevy don't like the offer? He won't accept it. I think that is clear from the Kane trade. So you 60 cents on the dollar people are going to be disappointed.

Evander Kane demanded a trade- was basically a locker room cancer- and our GM got a windfall of return in his trade with that. Most people will tell you not only did Chevy get great return for that cancerous player who asked to be traded, but he actually won the trade quite handily.

"Time is not on your side"!
"His value goes down each day!"

The leverage is, young skilled top defenceman are almost NEVER available. There will be no "getting him on the cheap" like the majority of people here fantasizes about.

Time IS on Cheveldayoffs side actually. Time is not on TROUBAs side. Will he be thanking his agent if dec 2 rolls around and no trade is made? It's not like Trouba is 1 year to UFA, and change is on the horizon no matter what.

Also, It matters only a little that Trouba isn't signed. Whoever gets him this year- whether Winnipeg keeps him and he decides to sign, or if we trade him to another franchise... it doesn't mean you dont have control of him... You actually own him for 4 years still. People act like b/c he hasn't signed his value is like that of an upcoming UFA.
Sure, Jacob not signing hurts Winnipeg , but it hurts Jacob even more. Which is why he'll sign and play just like Droiun did, if no good trade can be worked out.

And stop saying he wants over 6 million. He won't get it. he'll be in line with the other young promising D recently (Rielly, etc). Trouba has said its not a money thing, so why ppl still infer he's asking for the money these days, it's ludicrous.

 

[One Winged Angel]

McDonagh was awful at the World Cup, and he had a good partner.

The entire US team was awful at the world cup.

 

[WesMcCauley]

McDonagh was awful at the World Cup, and he had a good partner.

He was one of the best players on the american team. They sucked so it doesnt say that much but he scored 3 goals in 6 games i think. Very good advanced stats so i would disagree with him beeing awful

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

answers in bold

Lol, this post is full of so much fail.

A) "Will Trouba take it on the chin? What do we think will happen?"

Well, Droiun, a highly considered and highly valued young player tried to demand a trade, but Stevie Y (a guy with much less GM experience) didn't bite, didn't blink, and drouin was basically forced to make nice and play once he saw HE HAD NO LEVERAGE. So I don't know- and neither did Stevie Y then, nor Cheveldayoff now- why anyone thinks Trouba or Drouin, or some other GM is going to have leverage. They don't. Chevy don't like the offer? He won't accept it. I think that is clear from the Kane trade. So you 60 cents on the dollar people are going to be disappointed.

100% different situation. If you're using that as your model, you are truly lost. When Drouin held out he had no leverage because he had proven nothing at the NHL level. At the time it was too big of a gamble to give up real assets for an unproven forward prospect who is already having contract disputes, and was rumored to have an attitude problem. THAT gave all the leverage to the Yzerman because he knew Drouin couldn't do anything about his situation unless he played.

Also, Drouin was not a regular on the NHL squad at the time, so the Lightning weren't even missing anything with Drouin out.

Trouba on the other hand plays a much more important position, is proven at the NHL level, and holding out leaves a bubble team without one of their best defensemen.

Advantage Trouba



Evander Kane demanded a trade- was basically a locker room cancer- and our GM got a windfall of return in his trade with that. Most people will tell you not only did Chevy get great return for that cancerous player who asked to be traded, but he actually won the trade quite handily.

fine, I don't agree with everything here but I don't have the energy to argue it

Time IS on Cheveldayoffs side actually. Time is not on TROUBAs side.

Until the season starts...

The Jets are looking up, but its not like they're world beaters. They need all the help they can get to make the playoffs let alone win a round, even just a game.

Will he be thanking his agent if dec 2 rolls around and no trade is made? It's not like Trouba is 1 year to UFA, and change is on the horizon no matter what.

By then he will probably be elsewhere for much less of a return than you think, so this point is moot

The best solution for the Jets and probably for Trouba would be for him to sign a 1 or 2 year bridge deal for like 3M, so he gets somewhat of a raise, then try to trade him. The idea being that the Jets can attach a low cap hit to Trouba to up his value. If nothing else, it buys more time.