Proposal: Win nyr

[bernmeister]

McDonagh 4.7 x3 + Holden ____, Tambellini ____ + Ranger 3rds in 2017, 2018
for
Trouba, [RFA = 0] + Morrissey _____, Burmistrov, 1.55 expiring and Jets 1st in 2017,
cap is close enough

Jets have been adamant about it being McD, with no Staal in a package. That is a tall order, since McD, based on his sweet contract, is in higher demand than Trouba, who will cost about 6m per on a long term deal. However, this does it and should make everybody happy.

The ‘peg gets McD, but also Holden, a lefty who can switch to either side. Tambellini was earliest of three 3rd round picks NY took, and a cup of coffee at min this year is not far fetched, and should be expected to compete for lower 6 spot, probably as W, on Jet roster. Plus two thirds.

For Rangers Trouba, but also solid but apparently not yet there LD prospect Morrisey, who I believe is expansion exempt, and C Burmistrov plus the high pick which has flexibility in how used. Burmi extended would be worth a lot more, but is expiring and after separation between he and Jets, it is a solid bet he will not return, especially with any hometown discount. But for Rangers he is a great fit, cause he immediately helps facilitate trade of Stepan, who reduced is needed to prompt exit of Girardi (at half) with his NMC in a package. Plus the first.

 

[tacogeoff]

posted this in the generic thread. didn't see the Wpg- Rags one.

In my personal opinion and Eastern team would be the most likely candidate. But a majority of the teams would have to move a contract to us to make cap space to sign Trouba. I don't think we are going to receive a highly touted LD man in exchange for Trouba as they are very hard to come by and would create a gap in most teams who would be receiving a player that has stated he wants to play on the right side.

I was browsing capfriendly and what about the rangers if we take a player on salary to free up cap space along with a developing LD who is NHL ready. They need some youth injected into their aging defensive core.

I was thinking Brady Skjei 22 (LD) + Zibanejad 23 (C+RW) for Trouba 22 (RD) + Tavev 24 (rw/lw)

+ whatever picks are needed for either side to make it interesting.

taking Mika should free up enough cap space to sign trouba based on recent comparable signings around the NHL. Sure Brady isn't nearly as good but he is improving offensively and defensively every season and easily better than stuart imo.


downsides: does not get an equal player back in terms of Trouba's equal in LD form.
Mika only has one more season on his contract.


upsides: Mika can excel our 2nd center with Little being injured.
Leaves the option of trading aging Little if Mika commits to being resigned.
improves rangers Depth on D and puts a #1 or #2 dman in their future as their D core is starting to age.


Not the return most are looking for but just throwing it out there for fun.

 

[New York RKY]

Yeah I can say for a fact that there is no way in hell that they move Mika.

 

[tacogeoff]

Yeah I can say for a fact that there is no way in hell that they move Mika.

the sens fan in me would love to see him in a Jets jersey though

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Doesn't matter, he will re-sign with the Jets.

Even though he clearly stated that he wanted to be traded?

 

[broc]

McDonagh 4.7 x3 + Holden ____, Tambellini ____ + Ranger 3rds in 2017, 2018
for
Trouba, [RFA = 0] + Morrissey _____, Burmistrov, 1.55 expiring and Jets 1st in 2017,
cap is close enough

Jets have been adamant about it being McD, with no Staal in a package. That is a tall order, since McD, based on his sweet contract, is in higher demand than Trouba, who will cost about 6m per on a long term deal. However, this does it and should make everybody happy.

The ‘peg gets McD, but also Holden, a lefty who can switch to either side. Tambellini was earliest of three 3rd round picks NY took, and a cup of coffee at min this year is not far fetched, and should be expected to compete for lower 6 spot, probably as W, on Jet roster. Plus two thirds.

For Rangers Trouba, but also solid but apparently not yet there LD prospect Morrisey, who I believe is expansion exempt, and C Burmistrov plus the high pick which has flexibility in how used. Burmi extended would be worth a lot more, but is expiring and after separation between he and Jets, it is a solid bet he will not return, especially with any hometown discount. But for Rangers he is a great fit, cause he immediately helps facilitate trade of Stepan, who reduced is needed to prompt exit of Girardi (at half) with his NMC in a package. Plus the first.

Laughably bad.

No one in the league will take Staal. Period. Pretending it's something that should happen in ANY offer is ludicrous. No one is going to use a keeper on Staal in the expansion draft, so no one is going to take him, at the very earliest- if that- until after the expansion is done. You are STUCK with him.

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah I can say for a fact that there is no way in hell that they move Mika.

Mika Z does not leave Rangers unless it is a package and the return includes Ekblad

 

[bernmeister]

Laughably bad.

No one in the league will take Staal. Period. Pretending it's something that should happen in ANY offer is ludicrous. No one is going to use a keeper on Staal in the expansion draft, so no one is going to take him, at the very earliest- if that- until after the expansion is done. You are STUCK with him.

Laughably bad is your critique
Objective basis for me to say that?

your reply is to one in which Staal is not offered, at half or otherwise

Girardi is unmoveable except as a cap dump
Staal has value, which is upped if his salary is reduced

dif offers w/w-out McD, Staal, Holden, etc

pick one and feel free to critique on the merits

just understand again, McD can be had but you have to bid w/rest of the league, he will not be cheap

 

[vipernsx]

Touba Skjei straight up is fair.

Rangers have no need to make this move and as such would be foolish to add in Zuccarello for Lowry.

 

[jay from jersey]

No

skjei alone is not enough for trouba... I love Zuc but he will be moved this year or next.... Not only that, EVEN IF skjei for trouba happened NYR wouldn't have enough cap room to sign him without salary going back... Trouba and lowry for skjei And Zuccarello makes both teams a lot better.... Zuc gives them a dynamic player with laine, signed at 4.5 mil for the next 3 years. and skjei is their top 4 exempt from EXP draft d-man for now and for the future... This move allows them to shift perrault back to center while little is out and their d
enstrom-buff
morrienssy-myers
skjei -postma
is a legit NHL defense.., this move also lets them drop enstrom down when these 2 improve.

rangers will miss zuc no doubt but trouba and McDonaugh gives them a legit stud first pairing. Pirri moves up in the top 9 in zuc's spot where he belongs and it makes up for some of the loss from zucc. Lowry is a big kid who is good at faceoffs and would anchor the rangers 4th line with some combo of jooris,fast,and grabner.. Then near the deadline, the rangers move nash so they are able to sign shattenkirk right after the expansion draft.
Nex year rangers d looks like

McD-trouba
staal-shattenkirk
Graves-Mcilrath/clendening
Holden
much improved.

Zuc with laine,connor,ehlers wheeler,and scheifle gives them 2 top 2 powerhosue lines and a future top 4 d-man for the next 5 years at least... This would be a great great hockey trade for both squads

 

[jay from jersey]

also

also, please guys take bern's proposals with a grain of salt. He has an axe to grind with certain players and value is way way of sometimes.. He is a good guy but for some reason he wants to dismantle the team for players who will never be available

 

[Hunter368]

Touba Skjei straight up is fair.

Rangers have no need to make this move and as such would be foolish to add in Zuccarello for Lowry.

Trouba straight up for Skjei is fair? Wtf

No thx, zero chance Chevy does that unless he wants to be fired. Crazy bad trade. Skjei is just the plus on another significant piece. Pass

 

[Yukon Joe]

Even though he clearly stated that he wanted to be traded?

Um, yes.

Trouba has no leverage here other than sitting out an entire year. Trade requests have certainly been rescinded in the past - just look at Drouin and Hamonic.

The smart money should be on Trouba signing with the Jets some time mid-November. Chevy only trades him if he feels like it's a good trade for the Jets, not because he has to.

 

[Maukkis]

McDonagh 4.7 x3 + Holden ____, Tambellini ____ + Ranger 3rds in 2017, 2018
for
Trouba, [RFA = 0] + Morrissey _____, Burmistrov, 1.55 expiring and Jets 1st in 2017,
cap is close enough

Jets have been adamant about it being McD, with no Staal in a package. That is a tall order, since McD, based on his sweet contract, is in higher demand than Trouba, who will cost about 6m per on a long term deal. However, this does it and should make everybody happy.

The ‘peg gets McD, but also Holden, a lefty who can switch to either side. Tambellini was earliest of three 3rd round picks NY took, and a cup of coffee at min this year is not far fetched, and should be expected to compete for lower 6 spot, probably as W, on Jet roster. Plus two thirds.

For Rangers Trouba, but also solid but apparently not yet there LD prospect Morrisey, who I believe is expansion exempt, and C Burmistrov plus the high pick which has flexibility in how used. Burmi extended would be worth a lot more, but is expiring and after separation between he and Jets, it is a solid bet he will not return, especially with any hometown discount. But for Rangers he is a great fit, cause he immediately helps facilitate trade of Stepan, who reduced is needed to prompt exit of Girardi (at half) with his NMC in a package. Plus the first.

Take off Morrissey, our first, your picks and additional crap, and add a second rounder from us. There's a deal. McDonagh for Trouba, Burmi and a second.

Morrissey is untouchable, and our first is too much to add.

 

[bernmeister]

Touba Skjei straight up is fair.

Rangers have no need to make this move and as such would be foolish to add in Zuccarello for Lowry.

Trouba straight up for Skjei is fair? Wtf

No thx, zero chance Chevy does that unless he wants to be fired. Crazy bad trade. Skjei is just the plus on another significant piece. Pass

It is not fair, Jets def deserve more.
However, it is not good for NYR either, esp this year, cause we have to be concerned with expansion draft protection. Here we give up an ELC and take on a need to be protected return

also, please guys take bern's proposals with a grain of salt. He has an axe to grind with certain players and value is way way of sometimes.. He is a good guy but for some reason he wants to dismantle the team for players who will never be available

thanks for the comp
it is not dismantling to remove the senior vet core to add to our younger core, esp if we are adjusting to the draft by condensing the roster, or pickup non-exposed assets

as to never available, never say never
it appears everybody can be had, though not everybody is worth the price it would take,
But it doesn't hurt to keep tabs on what the current ask is for anybody

 

[bernmeister]

Take off Morrissey, our first, your picks and additional crap, and add a second rounder from us. There's a deal. McDonagh for Trouba, Burmi and a second.

Morrissey is untouchable, and our first is too much to add.

Your offer is fair and reasonable
That is not my point.

It is a matter of currency
It is also a matter of who will pay the most

Those who can are likely tripping over themselves for top offer on Trouba
but it is the same for McD
and again, many more teams can afford the sweetheart terms of McD than add a 6m guy in a cap world stilted by the expansion draft


Your offer overlooks one truth: it is likely the Rangers get a better offer if your must have - McD - is added.

I could see in the alternative something w/adds on both sides that, given McD is affordable, the Canes move to couple him with Faulk, and allow Hanafin + for the right +s by NY.

But NY can still go there with Miller + Zuc + Pirri for Hani + w/out incl McD

On top of THAT, Rangers could still do something w/Stars like
McD + Calle Andersson + min
for
Honka, Gurianov, Nichkushkin as a freebie throw in + Dallas 1st

sure, Trouba as established is worth more than either Honka or Gurianov -- but not both
in a vacuum a lot more, then adjust for both having ELCs being expansion exempt

Gurianov is a higher level add than you would be willing to include, presumably
but the key here is an quality ELC D add

I am open to your counter, if any, but on the surface I can't see any scenario where IF McD is prerequisite, you can avoid including Morrissey.

When this all blows over, if we have not already done deals including them, I could see an expiring Holden for an expiring Burmistrov if you are interested

look forward to your comments

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Touba Skjei straight up is fair.

Rangers have no need to make this move and as such would be foolish to add in Zuccarello for Lowry.

Right where is Gorton coming up with $5.5 million or so to sign Trouba with, When the Rangers only have around $2 million in cap. And besides Cheveldayoff isn't trading for a D man in Skjei who only has about 40 games under his belt at the NHL level let's get real here.

 

[broc]

Laughably bad is your critique
Objective basis for me to say that?

your reply is to one in which Staal is not offered, at half or otherwise

Girardi is unmoveable except as a cap dump
Staal has value, which is upped if his salary is reduced

dif offers w/w-out McD, Staal, Holden, etc

pick one and feel free to critique on the merits

just understand again, McD can be had but you have to bid w/rest of the league, he will not be cheap

Well for one, McDonagh today just isn't as good as he was before.

What is it everyone thinks he is so much better than Trouba at? The stats shows McDonagh definitely gets more assists. Not surprising since Winnipeg doesn't use Trouba in an offensive role (part of troubas gripe actually- that he's not getting to show how good of a D he can be).
Troubas shot generation and possession blow Mcdonaghs out of the water.
And before you Ranger fans begin to type "but he spent so much time with Girardi!!" well Trouba spent so much time with a bottom feeding D in every category too- Mark Stuart.

So I don't think McDonagh has terribly much more value than Trouba. Probably some, but not a lot.
Yes, when and wherever Trouba signs, it will be for a bit more cap hit than McDonaghs is.

But, while Ryan McDonagh is likely to have a bit better cap number, it will be for shorter term, he'll be UFA quicker, and he's 5 years older than Trouba.

And you're posting an offer where we add Morrissey, and a 1st rounder.. it's actually insane.

And you try to make it seem like it's some kinda inconvenience that the Jets- or any other deal you proffer- won't accept Staal in the package.
Like a "well since you won't accept Staal back, we're gonna have to add few eggs from your basket in our favour.."

NYR are STUCK with Staal. You would have to add a 1st+ for someone to take him and be forced to protect him.

 

[broc]

Btw,

Saying Skjei is almost as valuable as Trouba, is like saying Morrissey has almost as much value as McDonagh.

 

[Maukkis]

Your offer is fair and reasonable
That is not my point.

It is a matter of currency
It is also a matter of who will pay the most

Those who can are likely tripping over themselves for top offer on Trouba
but it is the same for McD
and again, many more teams can afford the sweetheart terms of McD than add a 6m guy in a cap world stilted by the expansion draft


Your offer overlooks one truth: it is likely the Rangers get a better offer if your must have - McD - is added.

I could see in the alternative something w/adds on both sides that, given McD is affordable, the Canes move to couple him with Faulk, and allow Hanafin + for the right +s by NY.

But NY can still go there with Miller + Zuc + Pirri for Hani + w/out incl McD

On top of THAT, Rangers could still do something w/Stars like
McD + Calle Andersson + min
for
Honka, Gurianov, Nichkushkin as a freebie throw in + Dallas 1st

sure, Trouba as established is worth more than either Honka or Gurianov -- but not both
in a vacuum a lot more, then adjust for both having ELCs being expansion exempt

Gurianov is a higher level add than you would be willing to include, presumably
but the key here is an quality ELC D add

I am open to your counter, if any, but on the surface I can't see any scenario where IF McD is prerequisite, you can avoid including Morrissey.

When this all blows over, if we have not already done deals including them, I could see an expiring Holden for an expiring Burmistrov if you are interested

look forward to your comments

Your offers are truly horrible. Miller, Zucc, Pirri for Hanifin isn't happening. Miller isn't anything that Rask and Staal don't already offer, and then they have other high potential guys in Lindholm, Aho etc. Zuccarello is a nice one, but again, he's way too old for a young team like Carolina. Then you have to consider the importance of having a young top 4 guy who's exempt and has a sky high potential. Pirri is a total throw-in, and probably irrelevant, given his playstyle.

Why is Dallas sacrificing the entirety of its future for McDonagh? Those pieces are needed in three years, when Seguin's and Spezza's contracts run out and most of their cap space will be used for getting them two signed (and/or replacing Spezza). Those prospects offer cap flexibility, which they need. Sure, McDonagh helps them now. Does he help them in three years, when he's an UFA and possibly leaving due to the lack of cap space?

And no, you're not getting Morrissey and Trouba for McDonagh, period. Morrissey represents something that Winnipeg does not have outside of him: top 4 defensive prospects. It's pretty clear that he isn't moving. It's the same thing with Skjei, to be honest. But I guess you aren't even interested in other teams' needs, as you consistently post garbage offers which rip off every team not named the Rangers. I won't waste my time with you anymore.

 

[JetsHomer]

I wouldn't move Morrissey straight up for Skjei, let alone move Trouba for him

 

[Dijock94]

There is no way the Rangers are trading McDonagh for Trouba. He is the captain, he is in his prime, he is by far and away the best skater on the team. He is on a great contract.

Also I highly doubt the Rangers go for Trouba before expansion anyway.

Skjei for Trouba is equally lopsided in the other direction. Skjei doesn't get you Troubas dirty jock.

 

[go4hockey]

Miller and Skjei for Trouba is a fair offer.

Fair for the Rangers but does very little to help the Jets and levels a huge hole on the back end.

 

[vipernsx]

Trouba straight up for Skjei is fair? Wtf

No thx, zero chance Chevy does that unless he wants to be fired. Crazy bad trade. Skjei is just the plus on another significant piece. Pass

Don't let the difference in development modalities between the clubs or the colleges they played for, make you think there is a huge difference between these players.

Going back to their days playing for the US National Team, these two have a lot in common. 2012 was a wonderful draft year for blueliners and while both were selected in the first round, Trouba was top10 and Skjei was at the tail end. That said, I wouldn't place Olli Maata and Matt Dumba all that far apart in their ability to be a top4 blueliner in the NHL. Further, had Skjei gone to Michigan an very high offensive first team, perhaps he puts up better offensive numbers and drafts a bit higher. Likewise if Trouba goes to Minny, maybe his offensive numbers aren't so high and he's drafted a bit later.

Both are solid defensively, skate very well, have great size and know how to use. Both can move the puck and shoot it. Trouba has higher offensive potential, though not a tremendous amount. Skjei has offensive potential, though it's just not his forte.

Rangers have a solid blueline and have no great need to make the move. Jets on the other hand are in the position where making a move is a bit more needed. The difference in circumstances and eventual salary cap, IMO, makes up the difference in small potential between Trouba and Skjei.

For these reasons and that quite frankly Skjei is the closest thing to a left handed Trouba, which works out really well for the Jets, IMO Skjei for Trouba straight up is a fair deal.

Zuccarello for Trouba is fair value as well, both for Trouba is just an absurd ripoff. Trouba isn't Drew Doughty and he may end up to be more like Zach Bogosian, only time will tell.

 

[Hunter368]

Don't let the difference in development modalities between the clubs or the colleges they played for, make you think there is a huge difference between these players.

Going back to their days playing for the US National Team, these two have a lot in common. 2012 was a wonderful draft year for blueliners and while both were selected in the first round, Trouba was top10 and Skjei was at the tail end. That said, I wouldn't place Olli Maata and Matt Dumba all that far apart in their ability to be a top4 blueliner in the NHL. Further, had Skjei gone to Michigan an very high offensive first team, perhaps he puts up better offensive numbers and drafts a bit higher. Likewise if Trouba goes to Minny, maybe his offensive numbers aren't so high and he's drafted a bit later.

Both are solid defensively, skate very well, have great size and know how to use. Both can move the puck and shoot it. Trouba has higher offensive potential, though not a tremendous amount. Skjei has offensive potential, though it's just not his forte.

Rangers have a solid blueline and have no great need to make the move. Jets on the other hand are in the position where making a move is a bit more needed. The difference in circumstances and eventual salary cap, IMO, makes up the difference in small potential between Trouba and Skjei.

For these reasons and that quite frankly Skjei is the closest thing to a left handed Trouba, which works out really well for the Jets, IMO Skjei for Trouba straight up is a fair deal.

Zuccarello for Trouba is fair value as well, both for Trouba is just an absurd ripoff. Trouba isn't Drew Doughty and he may end up to be more like Zach Bogosian, only time will tell.

Either one straight up? Easy pass, not even a second thought.