Proposal: Win nyr

[vipernsx]

Either one straight up? Easy pass, not even a second thought.

Keep your hopes high, because either one is better than McIlrath & a 2nd, ala Kyle Turris.

 

[CaptainChef]

Either one straight up? Easy pass, not even a second thought.

Think I'll head back to the Trouba trade thread cause at least the guys who know the value of players other than their own are making a few realistic offers there.

2:1 Zucc & Skjei has been proposed by Ranger fans there & its close but we really don't need another forward and a might be good D-man.

 

[Machinehead]

Wouldn't add to Zuccarello. Wouldn't deal Zuccarello straight up.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Think I'll head back to the Trouba trade thread cause at least the guys who know the value of players other than their own are making a few realistic offers there.

2:1 Zucc & Skjei has been proposed by Ranger fans there & its close but we really don't need another forward and a might be good D-man.

Zucc+Skjei is horrible for us(NYR) imo.
Top like winger and a pretty much lock top 4 defensemen with alot of upside for Trouba. I like Trouba and would want him but not for Zucc and Skjei

 

[bernmeister]

Well for one, McDonagh today just isn't as good as he was before.

What is it everyone thinks he is so much better than Trouba at? The stats shows McDonagh definitely gets more assists. Not surprising since Winnipeg doesn't use Trouba in an offensive role (part of troubas gripe actually- that he's not getting to show how good of a D he can be).
Troubas shot generation and possession blow Mcdonaghs out of the water.
And before you Ranger fans begin to type "but he spent so much time with Girardi!!" well Trouba spent so much time with a bottom feeding D in every category too- Mark Stuart.

So I don't think McDonagh has terribly much more value than Trouba. Probably some, but not a lot.
Yes, when and wherever Trouba signs, it will be for a bit more cap hit than McDonaghs is.

But, while Ryan McDonagh is likely to have a bit better cap number, it will be for shorter term, he'll be UFA quicker, and he's 5 years older than Trouba.

And you're posting an offer where we add Morrissey, and a 1st rounder.. it's actually insane.

And you try to make it seem like it's some kinda inconvenience that the Jets- or any other deal you proffer- won't accept Staal in the package.
Like a "well since you won't accept Staal back, we're gonna have to add few eggs from your basket in our favour.."

NYR are STUCK with Staal. You would have to add a 1st+ for someone to take him and be forced to protect him.

In a vacuum younger RD Trouba is worth more than older LD McDonagh, though not by much

However, right now --and things can change over time but right now -- there is a premium on sweetheart contracts as well as ELC expansion exempt assets

there are many more clubs that can afford and bid for McD
than
can give Jets a McD quality asset in return

It is that simple

As to Staal, he was not included in the offer
Yes, a team taking on his NMC has to be bribed and that is the question of how much and more importantly, in what currency>

 

[bernmeister]

Your offers are truly horrible. Miller, Zucc, Pirri for Hanifin isn't happening. Miller isn't anything that Rask and Staal don't already offer, and then they have other high potential guys in Lindholm, Aho etc. Zuccarello is a nice one, but again, he's way too old for a young team like Carolina. Then you have to consider the importance of having a young top 4 guy who's exempt and has a sky high potential. Pirri is a total throw-in, and probably irrelevant, given his playstyle.

Why is Dallas sacrificing the entirety of its future for McDonagh? Those pieces are needed in three years, when Seguin's and Spezza's contracts run out and most of their cap space will be used for getting them two signed (and/or replacing Spezza). Those prospects offer cap flexibility, which they need. Sure, McDonagh helps them now. Does he help them in three years, when he's an UFA and possibly leaving due to the lack of cap space?

And no, you're not getting Morrissey and Trouba for McDonagh, period. Morrissey represents something that Winnipeg does not have outside of him: top 4 defensive prospects. It's pretty clear that he isn't moving. It's the same thing with Skjei, to be honest. But I guess you aren't even interested in other teams' needs, as you consistently post garbage offers which rip off every team not named the Rangers. I won't waste my time with you anymore.

We agree to disagree

Canes
they would not otherwise make Hanifin available at all, and under no circumstance would they give him away
that said, Slavin is currently 1LD paired with Faulk
given all their depth THEY COULD actually afford to make him available
they want W scoring, and salary security
McD does that if Rangers went that way,
so does Zuc, and arguably also Miller
you underrate Miller he was 15OA could;ve gone higher if based if redrafted
Hani was like 5 or 6, Zuc and Pirri as a freebie throw in work to cover the dif
with this deal, canes are serious and immediate contenders

Stars
the posit here is they are leaning on going all in
Nick is a freebie throw in, not clear he will recover well from the hip injury
its Gurianov and Honka
they MAY individually exceed McD (better odds if both of them) at some point
soon MAYBE
but that is not fast enough for Stars who are obviously win now and just missing
yes, this doesn't help their situation in net, but I can't shove Raanta down their throats


so, respectfully, I have fully considered other team needs, contrary to your allegation.

The door is open if you choose to be open minded, it's up to you.